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2013/06/14 19:55:38 (permalink)
So Zuhl is donating some 2133 to me so I can get off this 1333. I run an AM3 plat so I know 1600 is the max I can go with stock, which is fine. From my understanding of RAM (and cpu) is that multiplier x FSB (or whatever it's called) = frequency. Since I know my CPU can handle 4.2ghz, does that mean I can just turn down the multi on my cpu (which is 21.5 atm iirc) and bump up the fsb to get 2133mhz on my RAM, then adjust my CPU accordingly back to 4.2? What problems could I potentially face doing this?
post edited by Baltothewolf - 2013/06/14 23:38:51

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/14 20:01:41 (permalink)
    It is my understanding that your PC will not run stable with memory that runs faster than your FSB of your processor

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/14 20:04:33 (permalink)
    Chaos_21

    It is my understanding that your PC will not run stable with memory that runs faster than your FSB of your processor

    That's why I want to run it at it's stock speed. I can set all the timings to the correct timings/voltage in the BIOS.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/14 20:08:24 (permalink)
    The RAM will run at 1600 MHz by default.

     
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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/14 20:13:56 (permalink)
    Zuhl3156

    The RAM will run at 1600 MHz by default.

    Yea, it lets me set that in the BIOS, but I obviously want to run at 2133 if it's capable of that. And seeing as my CPU can handle 4.2ghz stable (doesn't pass LinX but it will pass 30 hours of Prime95 and never crashes in games) I want to get maximum performance.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/14 20:59:02 (permalink)
    I am explaining this from memory so I might not be exact plus your BIOS is different. There is a way to get this RAM to run 2133 MHz in my PC without using the Intel Extreme Memory Profile (XMP). I did set this RAM up once as 2133 MHz "not OC" by entering the memory settings manually and then adjusting the "DRAM Frequency" or "Memory Multiplier" until the RAM frequency read 2133 MHz. Using the 'not OC' method generates less heat in my CPU because it doesn't put additional stress on the internal memory controller in the i7-2600k.
     
    *These are the settings to enter depending on the desired speed:
     

    post edited by Zuhl3156 - 2013/06/14 21:03:05

     
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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/14 23:37:19 (permalink)
    Zuhl3156

    I am explaining this from memory so I might not be exact plus your BIOS is different. There is a way to get this RAM to run 2133 MHz in my PC without using the Intel Extreme Memory Profile (XMP). I did set this RAM up once as 2133 MHz "not OC" by entering the memory settings manually and then adjusting the "DRAM Frequency" or "Memory Multiplier" until the RAM frequency read 2133 MHz. Using the 'not OC' method generates less heat in my CPU because it doesn't put additional stress on the internal memory controller in the i7-2600k.

    *These are the settings to enter depending on the desired speed:



    Thanks for the settings, this is what my BIOS looks like, not sure if it helps though. Bottom 3 are just additional options shown.
     

     

     

     

     

    post edited by Baltothewolf - 2013/06/14 23:47:01

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/15 05:14:36 (permalink)
    Once you enter the new values the 'red' options panel should give you different speed selections. It looks like "Memory Speed Adjust" behind this red panel will give you a different ratio to select. The only thing I'm not sure about is the listed Command Rate as 1T. I think I had to set it to 2T to get it to run. My current settings are different from the SPD values and Command Rate = 2T.
     


     
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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/20 15:49:17 (permalink)
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    It is my understanding that your PC will not run stable with memory that runs faster than your FSB of your processor

    That's why I want to run it at it's stock speed. I can set all the timings to the correct timings/voltage in the BIOS.

    You might need a newer motherboard to achieve 2133 Mhz. This one is reasonable:
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16813130679

     
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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/20 16:15:18 (permalink)
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    Chaos_21

    It is my understanding that your PC will not run stable with memory that runs faster than your FSB of your processor

    That's why I want to run it at it's stock speed. I can set all the timings to the correct timings/voltage in the BIOS.

    You might need a newer motherboard to achieve 2133 Mhz. This one is reasonable:
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16813130679

    Only 70 bucks? Welp, it's time to save up xD.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/20 16:21:24 (permalink)
    This one even supports SLI for only 99.99:
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16813157262

     
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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/20 16:26:21 (permalink)
    Zuhl3156

    This one even supports SLI for only 99.99:
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16813157262

    Yea I'm going AMD when I can finally sell my 660Ti. I'm sick of NVIDIA cheating people out of what could be much better.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/21 04:31:26 (permalink)
    Sad

    *EDIT*

    LOL didn't realize it posted... was going to say the sad thing is, even the FX8350 is limited to 1866MHz RAM. You can't really go any higher than that on AMD until they upgrade their integrated memory controller.

    Source:
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    post edited by RainStryke - 2013/06/21 09:31:15

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/21 07:42:59 (permalink)
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    Sad

    Truly!

     
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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/21 08:27:18 (permalink)
    Wait sad at what?

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/21 09:31:56 (permalink)
    Fixed my post.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/21 11:07:49 (permalink)
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    Fixed my post.

    Oh lol. Yea, it's really annoying. I have no idea why they haven't gone pci-e 3.0 and higher ram speeds. It's really killing them in the red vs blue team war. Meh.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/21 11:12:47 (permalink)
    Baltothewolf

    So Zuhl is donating some 2133 to me so I can get off this 1333. I run an AM3 plat so I know 1600 is the max I can go with stock, which is fine. From my understanding of RAM (and cpu) is that multiplier x FSB (or whatever it's called) = frequency. Since I know my CPU can handle 4.2ghz, does that mean I can just turn down the multi on my cpu (which is 21.5 atm iirc) and bump up the fsb to get 2133mhz on my RAM, then adjust my CPU accordingly back to 4.2? What problems could I potentially face doing this?


    Here you go...read through this.  You'll see that you won't even notice any difference from 1333 to 2133 if you can run it at that... >>>  http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3/6  I know they're using a Sandy chip in their comparisons, but probably no difference as far as memory performance goes.  Scroll down to gaming comparisons if that's where you're looking for a performance boost. 


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/21 12:12:11 (permalink)
    Yea until I get a new mobo I'm just going to put aside getting any faster then 1600... But... Doesn't mean I'm going to give up on timings. I'm running 9-9-9-24-33 (when it's normally set to 11-11-11-32-39). I'm hoping I can get stable somewhere in the 8-9-8-23-32 area but only time will tell really.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/21 23:51:25 (permalink)
    Here is a much better review:
    http://www.anandtech.com/...idge-igp-with-gskill/9

    I went from 1600MHz CAS 10 to 2400MHz CAS 11. The difference was very noticeable.

    Since you cant get over 1866MHz on AMD, you just need to find low latency RAM. It will work just as good as the higher frequency stuff.
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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/22 04:38:20 (permalink)
    2133 mhz  runs just fine on AMD fx8350   even with 2000mhz cpu/nb freq. and 2000 mhz ht link speed.  That is on a CHVFZ mobo. If not supported in bios then the max you might be able to get would probually be 1600 plus whatever you can get on the cpu bus freq say going from 200 to 265 will bump it up close 1800 and something on mem freq. i think.  Then changing the multiplier to whatever gets you 4.2. You may not be able to achieve that but the CHVFZ mobo had no problems running 265 on the bus freq.
    post edited by musicman44857 - 2013/06/22 04:50:55

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/22 04:43:57 (permalink)
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    2133 mhz  runs just fine on AMD fx8350   even with 2000mhz cpu/nb freq. and 2000 mhz ht link speed.  That is on a CHVFZ mobo. If not supported in bios then the max you might be able to get would probually be 1600 plus whatever you can get on the cpu bus freq say going from 100 to 165 will bump it up close 1800 and something on mem freq. i think.  Then changing the multiplier to whatever gets you 4.2. You may not be able to achieve that but the CHVFZ mobo had no problems running 165 on the bus freq.

    I'm not to worried about it. I'll be selling my other rig to a friend within a couple weeks and just grab a better mobo. I know the 9xxx is going to be AM3+ so I won't have to upgrade again when those come out (mobo wise).

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/22 05:03:39 (permalink)
    I highly recommend the crosshair v fz.  I think it would be the best investment for your system.  FX cpu are coming down on prices like mad. I would save every penny i could to buy that mobo.  

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/22 05:11:19 (permalink)
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    I highly recommend the crosshair v fz.  I think it would be the best investment for your system.  FX cpu are coming down on prices like mad. I would save every penny i could to buy that mobo.  

    It has to be blue.
     
    [Edit]: Something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130649
    post edited by Baltothewolf - 2013/06/22 05:13:44

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/22 05:20:12 (permalink)
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    I highly recommend the crosshair v fz.  I think it would be the best investment for your system.  FX cpu are coming down on prices like mad. I would save every penny i could to buy that mobo.  

    It has to be blue.

    [Edit]: Something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130649

     
    Very nice,  good choice . 

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/22 11:31:04 (permalink)
    Ah yes... FSB can increase it, but as for X.M.P. profiles, limited to 1866MHz.
     
    This is the best AMD board out right now:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157358
     
    You get 12 power phases on the CPU. All other top end boards only come with 8. You basically get the best chance of maximizing your processors overclock.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/22 11:57:55 (permalink)
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    Ah yes... FSB can increase it, but as for X.M.P. profiles, limited to 1866MHz.

    This is the best AMD board out right now:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157358

    You get 12 power phases on the CPU. All other top end boards only come with 8. You basically get the best chance of maximizing your processors overclock.

    Yea that's the one I'm going to get. Wow lolz. The pro's are worth the non-blue.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/06/29 07:08:05 (permalink)
    with the amd chip to run 2133 you need a fx series chip or it will just default to 1600 mhz.

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/07/13 14:43:55 (permalink)
    Well that was very nice of Zhul! Will your set up be compatible with 2133mhz ram? I thought AMD had certain limitations on certain boards/cpu's??

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    Re:Getting 2133 RAM... 2013/07/15 01:15:10 (permalink)
    After some more research into power phases on the CPU, it seems marketing has gotten a hold of this term and uses it incorrectly when it comes down to gauging true power phases. You actually do want to go with the ASUS Crosshair V Formula if you go AMD, they have the most "true" power phases on AMD boards.

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