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Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:07 AM (permalink)
I was wondering if using an older 8800 GT card for PhysX with my GTX 560 TI FPB would be worth it or not.  Any suggestions?

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:19 AM (permalink)
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    I was wondering if using an older 8800 GT card for PhysX with my GTX 560 TI FPB would be worth it or not.  Any suggestions?

    This gets asked a lot. The first thing, which seems obvious but many miss, is do you actually play any games that use GPU accelerated PhysX?
    Mafia II, Batman AA and AC, Metro 2033 ect. There are a few newer titles coming out.
    Secondly, whether or not it's worth it, is subjective to you. Also, what resolution you're playing at and the amount of eyecandy you like, can have an impact. Without getting to long winded the short answer is yes, it will provide some benefit.

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:25 AM (permalink)
    It'd give you only a few fps (sometimes even lower your fps if your gpu is too powerful, not sure if a 560 ti would be too powerful for a 8800 but I think it is), and that's only on physx supported games. So no, not worth the heat, space, power etc. (even if it's not much) it would produce.

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:55 AM (permalink)
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    It'd give you only a few fps (sometimes even lower your fps if your gpu is too powerful, not sure if a 560 ti would be too powerful for a 8800 but I think it is), and that's only on physx supported games. So no, not worth the heat, space, power etc. (even if it's not much) it would produce.

    Just out of curiosity, have you ever used one?

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:04 AM (permalink)
    I ran a 560Ti + a 9600GSO (768 MB GDDR3) for PhysX, and I can say without a doubt in my mind that the GSO did not slow the 560Ti down at all. 
     As a matter of fact it was twice as good as using my i7 920 for PhysX. However, it was only half as good as using another 560Ti. 
     plz note, that was at 1920x1080 resolution.
     
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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:28 AM (permalink)
     plz note, that was at 1920x1080 resolution.
     
    Thanks, this is the resolution I run as well. 
     
    Thanks for the feed back ya'all,  I have two 8800 GT's so I might as well put one of em to use.  If the heat becomes an issue I'll add another case fan and install a Corsair H60 to help cool the CPU and limit the heat in the case. 

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:24 PM (permalink)
    Best way to find out is to benchmark before and after the added PhysX card, making sure PhysX isnt set to CPU in either the before or after test.  This is the only way to really tell if youre slowing things down by adding an older card for PhysX, you guys can guess all day but you dont REALLY know.  Check this out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbww3dhzK0M

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:45 PM (permalink)
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    Best way to find out is to benchmark before and after the added PhysX card, making sure PhysX isnt set to CPU in either the before or after test.  This is the only way to really tell if youre slowing things down by adding an older card for PhysX, you guys can guess all day but you dont REALLY know.  Check this out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbww3dhzK0M

    No offense but some of us actually DO know.

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:39 AM (permalink)
    Well if youve benched a 560ti with and without an 8800gt as physX what numbers did you come up with and what games did you benchmark?

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:07 AM (permalink)
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    Well if youve benched a 560ti with and without an 8800gt as physX what numbers did you come up with and what games did you benchmark?

    Actually it was a GTX 470 with an 8800 ultra on Batman AA, Metro 2033 and Mafia II. I don't still have the results. On the other hand, I'm not in the habit of posting disinformation. If you're disagreeing with what I posted, you're free to show your evidence. Might be a bit hard to come by.

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:47 AM (permalink)
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    Well if youve benched a 560ti with and without an 8800gt as physX what numbers did you come up with and what games did you benchmark?

    Actually it was a GTX 470 with an 8800 ultra on Batman AA, Metro 2033 and Mafia II. I don't still have the results. On the other hand, I'm not in the habit of posting disinformation. If you're disagreeing with what I posted, you're free to show your evidence. Might be a bit hard to come by.

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    . aoaforums . com/forum/benchmarking/49565-gtx-470-sc-8800gts-dedicated-physx . html
    post edited by auraofjason - Wednesday, January 18, 2012 2:49 AM

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:10 AM (permalink)
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    Well if youve benched a 560ti with and without an 8800gt as physX what numbers did you come up with and what games did you benchmark?

    Actually it was a GTX 470 with an 8800 ultra on Batman AA, Metro 2033 and Mafia II. I don't still have the results. On the other hand, I'm not in the habit of posting disinformation. If you're disagreeing with what I posted, you're free to show your evidence. Might be a bit hard to come by.

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    . aoaforums . com/forum/benchmarking/49565-gtx-470-sc-8800gts-dedicated-physx . html

    Umm sorry, Vantage doesn't use PhysX the same as a game does. When running Vantage, that portion of the test is only running  PhysX and not rendering. So, if you have a weaker GPU dedicated to PhysX than your primary GPU, your PhysX score will be lower thus lowering your score. This would also occur, for example, if you were using a GTX 470 as a dedicated GPU with a GTX 580 as your primary GPU. When running a game, the GPU must context switch between processing PhysX and rendering. This is what impacts the frame rate. When you can off load the PhysX processing onto even a considerably weaker card, the primary GPU doesn't have to switch between rendering and processing PhysX. I appreciate you providing the opportunity to explain this.

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:10 AM (permalink)
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    Well if youve benched a 560ti with and without an 8800gt as physX what numbers did you come up with and what games did you benchmark?

    Actually it was a GTX 470 with an 8800 ultra on Batman AA, Metro 2033 and Mafia II. I don't still have the results. On the other hand, I'm not in the habit of posting disinformation. If you're disagreeing with what I posted, you're free to show your evidence. Might be a bit hard to come by.

    Im just saying that its impossible to know exactly what the results would be unless you have tried those exact cards together in physx compared to the 560ti alone.  I dont doubt that youve tried it but he should try it with and without the 8800gt to really see if its worth it.  It would be awesome if we had some hard data on different cards together in every combination but i havent found that yet.  I hope he does get some numbers up with and without an 8800gt physX on a 560ti.

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:16 AM (permalink)
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    Umm sorry, Vantage doesn't use PhysX the same as a game does. When running Vantage, that portion of the test is only running  PhysX and not rendering. So, if you have a weaker GPU dedicated to PhysX than your primary GPU, your PhysX score will be lower thus lowering your score. This would also occur, for example, if you were using a GTX 470 as a dedicated GPU with a GTX 580 as your primary GPU. When running a game, the GPU must context switch between processing PhysX and rendering. This is what impacts the frame rate. When you can off load the PhysX processing onto even a considerably weaker card, the primary GPU doesn't have to switch between rendering and processing PhysX. I appreciate you providing the opportunity to explain this.

    The second post in that link has a link that shows mafia ii, the gtx 480 loses 11 fps when paired with a 9800 gtx for physx.
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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:18 AM (permalink)
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    Well if youve benched a 560ti with and without an 8800gt as physX what numbers did you come up with and what games did you benchmark?

    Actually it was a GTX 470 with an 8800 ultra on Batman AA, Metro 2033 and Mafia II. I don't still have the results. On the other hand, I'm not in the habit of posting disinformation. If you're disagreeing with what I posted, you're free to show your evidence. Might be a bit hard to come by.

    Im just saying that its impossible to know exactly what the results would be unless you have tried those exact cards together in physx compared to the 560ti alone.  I dont doubt that youve tried it but he should try it with and without the 8800gt to really see if its worth it.  It would be awesome if we had some hard data on different cards together in every combination but i havent found that yet.  I hope he does get some numbers up with and without an 8800gt physX on a 560ti.

    Well of course as there are many variables. You're acting as if I said he was going to have some exact FPS increase. It will vary per title, in game settings, resolution, clocks etc etc. When you in essence blast the thread saying everyone that posted doesn't know what they are talking about and are just 'guessing', expect some blow back. Read my first post again.

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:22 AM (permalink)
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    Umm sorry, Vantage doesn't use PhysX the same as a game does. When running Vantage, that portion of the test is only running  PhysX and not rendering. So, if you have a weaker GPU dedicated to PhysX than your primary GPU, your PhysX score will be lower thus lowering your score. This would also occur, for example, if you were using a GTX 470 as a dedicated GPU with a GTX 580 as your primary GPU. When running a game, the GPU must context switch between processing PhysX and rendering. This is what impacts the frame rate. When you can off load the PhysX processing onto even a considerably weaker card, the primary GPU doesn't have to switch between rendering and processing PhysX. I appreciate you providing the opportunity to explain this.

    The second post in that link has a link that shows mafia ii, the gtx 480 loses 11 fps when paired with a 9800 gtx for physx.

    Yes, the Mafia II demo with the broken PhysX. 

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:31 AM (permalink)

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    Yes, the Mafia II demo with the broken PhysX.  
     
     
    It was? How so? The more powerful cards gave the gtx 480 an fps gain though.
    Anyways, OP should just try out his 8800 as a dedicated physx card. If he loses performance, then of course ditch it and if he gains enough performance, then keep it (which I think he is already doing).
     

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:33 AM (permalink)
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    I was wondering if using an older 8800 GT card for PhysX with my GTX 560 TI FPB would be worth it or not.  Any suggestions?

    This gets asked a lot. The first thing, which seems obvious but many miss, is do you actually play any games that use GPU accelerated PhysX?
    Mafia II, Batman AA and AC, Metro 2033 ect. There are a few newer titles coming out.
    Secondly, whether or not it's worth it, is subjective to you. Also, what resolution you're playing at and the amount of eyecandy you like, can have an impact. Without getting to long winded the short answer is yes, it will provide some benefit.

     
    At the end you said it will provide some benefit.  maybe i came across the wrong way but i just wanted him to know that its not always the case, sometimes it can do the opposite and to do his own testing.  No disrespect meant.

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    Re:GTX 560 TI FPB + 8800 GT as Physx Card? Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:38 AM (permalink)
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    At the end you said it will provide some benefit.  maybe i came across the wrong way but i just wanted him to know that its not always the case, sometimes it can do the opposite and to do his own testing.  No disrespect meant. 
     
     
    Yeah, exactly what RaisingCain said goes for me too, and also no disrespect meant too, if that was implied anywhere.
     

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