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I'll start by saying I have always been an advocate of a dedicated PhysX card in the past even though at times they made very little gain's but still gains were made and games I play a lot such as Borderlands series and Metro use physx. I have had the following graphic card configs: GTX 580 main Gtx 460 PhysX= Great results. Gtx 680 main Gtx 460 PhysX= Great results. Gtx 780 Main Gtx 460 PhysX= Great results. Gtx 980TI Main Gtx 780 Physx= Great Results. And now... Gtx 1080 Main and any PhysX benchmark as well as games that use PhysX my fps and benchmark score went lower when using a Gtx 780 for a dedicated PhysX card. I do realize the GTX 1080 is a more powerfull card But previously I had a GTX 980ti Kingpin overclocked to almost 1500mhz and the Gtx 780 used for PhysX in this config helped me a lot and gtx 1080 comes in and does everything all by itself better then with a PhysX card installed. I figure this would be an interesting discussion because I still see people ask this question about dedicated PhysX cards in conjunction with Gtx 1070, Gtx 1080, Gtx 1080ti tier card's and I still see the same responses such as not worth it,creates to much heat,not enough games use it etc.. but to me even small gaines make it worth it if you have a card to use for PhysX just laying around collecting dust..but something has changed starting with the 10 series cards and my opinion about using a dedicated PhysX card has also changed. I remember Nvidia showing some type of technology they were hypeing up with the release of the Gtx 1080 which at the time I thought was bit of well just hype to sell the cards but I now think there is something to this. Maybe someone much more educated then myself can explain this one to the uneducated (me) :) The card sure is an extremely powerfull quiet and efficient design.
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Re: GTX 1080 what makes it handle Physx by itself better then cards of the past?
Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:14 PM
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If the 780 can't process the PhysX calculations fast enough to keep up with what the 1080 is rendering, then that explains what you are seeing. If you still have that 980 Ti I'd try testing it as a dedicated PhysX card as proof of this or rejection proving the 1080 is better at PhysX calculations by itself.
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Re: GTX 1080 what makes it handle Physx by itself better then cards of the past?
Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:17 PM
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That's interesting, my guess is that it's possibly a latency issue. I don't know the flow path from CPU to the physx card (does it have to go to GPU first or not), but at the very least, once the physx gets computed, it has to travel to the GPU for objects to be drawn. That is already an extra "step." Overall, it's not really an actual step if you consider that it does the same on board the 1080 (aka primary card) if you think about the CUDA cores on the card as a "separate" unit. The difference then becomes travel time (aka latency) from CUDA core on 1080 vs 980ti to main gpraphics core on the 1080. If the main core is fast enough, that time difference eventually becomes a "bottleneck" of sorts. So, maybe the 1080 has just enough processing power for you set of tests to cross that threshold, going from alleviating the GPU to holdong it back. Did you monitor usages on both primary and physx only cards? I had a little bit of fun with Batman Arkham Knight on Titan X Maxwells and a 970. https://forums.geforce.co...bit-of-batman-ak-fun-/Edit: oops, I thought you were using the 980ti and not the 780 as the physx card. So yeah, I think it's the 780 itself holding you back.
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Re: GTX 1080 what makes it handle Physx by itself better then cards of the past?
Wednesday, July 19, 2017 0:21 PM
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Very informative.
Thank you to both of you for the replies.
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Re: GTX 1080 what makes it handle Physx by itself better then cards of the past?
Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:06 AM
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Here is my 2 cents on PhysX. If your game/bench is PhysX ready, this is mainly ad games though, and the card/cards you run as main GPUs support PhysX, look at your usage, if your GPU is 70-75% usage and below on average, and you arent seeing major spikes in usage during explosions of pother PhysX heavy load, then a PhysX card is not going to really help, as the main GPU is already doing it, and keeping its utilization in check. Next, if you do see room for one, then the next thing is what is the secondary card, in related performance to the main card(s), if it is more than 1 generation back (900 series, not necessarily meaning TI cards as their own series) it is likely you will not see very much gains, and if you force a PhysX load to a card that cannot process PhysX as fast as the main card with its other load, which a 700 series card may not, then it may well work against you and slow you down some.
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Re: GTX 1080 what makes it handle Physx by itself better then cards of the past?
Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:18 AM
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Thank you very much for the reply. Very informative. It would have been neat to try the Gtx 980ti as a PhysX card unfortunately I had traded that card in for the Gtx 1080 through the step up program. It's just really something that the Gtx 1080 can juggle all of the PhysX better alone then it does with the help of the powerfull Gtx 780. I do recall getting a 9 fps difference with Batman Arkham Knight in favor of just using the Gtx 1080. Perhaps Borderlands 3 will change things up having me look for another PhysX card :) Great information guy's much appreciated. I'm sure this information can help other's make the right choice for them.
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Re: GTX 1080 what makes it handle Physx by itself better then cards of the past?
Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:48 AM
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Re: GTX 1080 what makes it handle Physx by itself better then cards of the past?
Tuesday, September 05, 2017 3:08 PM
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I have 1080 SLI and have tested a 760, 780 TI and even a 1080 as a dedicated PhysX card in Batman: Arkham Knight. The results are as follows: 1. 1080 / 1080 PhysX (Huge difference here. Almost 2x improvement in minimum fps. I wish PhysX games could automatically use the 2nd GPU without having to manually switch off SLI.) 2. 1080 SLI 3. 1080 4. 1080 / 780 Ti PhysX 5. 1080 / 760 PhysX This game requires at least a dedicated 1060 for PhysX. All the Batman games have recommended a '60 card from the same generation for PhysX.
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Re: GTX 1080 what makes it handle Physx by itself better then cards of the past?
Tuesday, September 05, 2017 4:26 PM
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Yeah, I've never had good results (usually random BSODs) when mixing different families of Nvidia cards for use as dedicated PhysX.
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