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2010/09/22 13:23:02 (permalink)
I see plenty of people overclocking their voltage to 1087 up but when i go past 1050 my computer will shut down during a benchmark any ideas? its a 750watt mystery brand psu

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/22 16:24:52 (permalink)
    let me see if i can rephrase this.

    Right now my core clock is 820mhz.....my memory clock is 1800mhz my VOLTAGE is at 1.050 that is stable. If i try a clock like for examble 850mhz with a 1830mhz memory clock at 1.050 voltage it artifacts and dosent work all that well. NOW when i try RAISING my voltage to 1.060 and run a benchmark my computer will shut down. Could my psu be the reason for the shutdowns?......

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/23 15:09:40 (permalink)
    come onnnnnn all ya people on the forums have nooooooooo idea? I find that hard to believe! :p

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 10:52:58 (permalink)
    Need to figure this out. thanks

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 11:09:07 (permalink)
    or could i have this moved to the 470 section if possible? I feel I might get some more responses in that section

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 13:53:13 (permalink)
    It could very well be your PSU can't handle the load on the 12v rail.  If it can't i't wil shut down.  It could also be that your card can't handle the voltages or it could even be overheating.

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 13:53:53 (permalink)
    there may not be a problem with the card, it may be the PSU.
     
    do you have another one to test with? also did you have a different card in the machine that worked fine? your clocks really arent that high i think
     
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 13:55:41 (permalink)
    Unless you're getting very high temperatures while benching, it sure sounds like a PSU shutting down.  Use a multimeter on the psu to see if the 12v. is running in or out of spec.  What brand is the psu?
     
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 13:59:15 (permalink)
    I know it's the not the most reliable source, but check your 12v rails in the bios. If its low (like 11.75 or 11.65) then maybe your PSU is the problem. Do you have a second PSU u can borrow from a friend so you can trouble shoot?

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:08:27 (permalink)
    It indeed does sound like a PSU issue. One rule of thumb in PC building: Never cheap out on the power supply. It's the single most important component in your PC. Everything in your PC relies on it and nothing works without it. If you're looking to cut costs on your build, don't do it on your power supply.
     
    750w PSU should be more than enough to power your system if it were from a quality manufacturer. It sounds as though you're possibly overloading the 12v rail that your GTX470 is on with that PSU you currently own. I would highly suggest you get a higher quality PSU for your PC. Get something from Antec, Silverstone, Corsair, PC Power and Cooling or Seasonic in the 700w + range and you should be fine. Think about getting a 850w or better if you plan on going SLI down the road.

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:14:32 (permalink)
    mmmmmmm heres the thing......im still using the oringal psu i got when i first bought a computer.....which was a dell....this psu comes straight out of an xps 630i >-< but according to the back it has 18amps on my 12v rails which i think i have two......i hate power supply's so am not very good at the specs what i could of said might have been entirely wrong, but it looks right>_<

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:15:46 (permalink)
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    I know it's the not the most reliable source, but check your 12v rails in the bios. If its low (like 11.75 or 11.65) then maybe your PSU is the problem. Do you have a second PSU u can borrow from a friend so you can trouble shoot?


    Where do i check that in my bios? 0_o

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:19:14 (permalink)
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    mmmmmmm heres the thing......im still using the oringal psu i got when i first bought a computer.....which was a dell....this psu comes straight out of an xps 630i >-< but according to the back it has 18amps on my 12v rails which i think i have two......i hate power supply's so am not very good at the specs what i could of said might have been entirely wrong, but it looks right>_<


    Get rid of it. It's an under powered unit and it's rating of 750w is not "continuous" and is only a peak rating. Moreover it is old and as capacitors age, they are no longer capable of sustaining the load they once were. And lastly, it does not use high quality parts in the PSU.

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:20:26 (permalink)
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    mmmmmmm heres the thing......im still using the oringal psu i got when i first bought a computer.....which was a dell....this psu comes straight out of an xps 630i >-< but according to the back it has 18amps on my 12v rails which i think i have two......i hate power supply's so am not very good at the specs what i could of said might have been entirely wrong, but it looks right>_<


    Get rid of it. And and under powered unit and it's rating of 750w is not "continuous" and is only a peak rating. Moreover it is old and as capacitors age, they are no longer capable of sustaining the load they once were. And lastly, it does not use high quality parts in the PSU.

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    and don't overclock the mem clock that is a sensitive bit

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:23:53 (permalink)
    *sigh* so iv been fearing....don't have any more money for a new psu and because of me having case problems I need to have that replaced first :[ i guess 820core clock and 1800 memory clock is good for now with 1050v don't you think? but thank you iv been trying to finalize the answer on this for ages now. and with the age thing...soo its performance will just be decreasing for now on?

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:25:05 (permalink)
    +1 to craptacular
     
    Get rid of it, it didn't use quality parts from the get go and has only degraded with time.  
     
    I would recommend a PSU like this:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207003
     
    Good price, high efficiency, modular, and a strong single 12v rail.

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:27:17 (permalink)
    that would be a good psu but when i upgrade i plan on at least getting a 1000watt one for any future monster cards i wanna throw in :p

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:36:18 (permalink)
    I've had Dell XPS 630 and those PSU's are hit and miss.  Some units seem to be decent and others...not so much.  Plus you have a decent overclock to boot on your cp., I'd upgrade the psu...If you want power, here you go:
     
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:37:30 (permalink)
    Here's a Antec 750w for $69 after rebate. It's about the cheapest you are going to get.
     
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 14:50:10 (permalink)
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    Here's a Antec 750w for $69 after rebate. It's about the cheapest you are going to get.

    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16817371026


    That's a great little psu. I have one over a year old now powering a folding rig with two GTX 465's core clocked at 850Mhz with the full Afterburner voltages and not a hiccup out of that system.
     

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 15:11:57 (permalink)
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    *sigh* so iv been fearing....don't have any more money for a new psu and because of me having case problems I need to have that replaced first :[ i guess 820core clock and 1800 memory clock is good for now with 1050v don't you think? but thank you iv been trying to finalize the answer on this for ages now. and with the age thing...soo its performance will just be decreasing for now on?


    That's a pretty darn good clock if you ask me.  I'm surprised that PSU was able to even handle that to tell you the truth.  I'd probably run a little lower just in case that thing decides to take a dump and maybe take something with it.  I know you want the most you can get, but it could be at a cost.  Like Crap said, get rid of it.
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 15:12:20 (permalink)
    My company buys Dell computers..., and we've had many PSU failures, even though we're buying the so-called 'commercial quality', heavy-use models.
     
    Every time we have a power failure, which happens a few times a year, it's a given that a certain number of the computers are not going to come back to life when the power comes back on.
     
    The worst cases are where we have computers in warm areas.  Heat really seems to age them!
     
    I think Dell really skimps on the PSU's.  They are also famous for using a non-standard or proprietary PSU, which may have a shape or screw hole pattern that makes it difficult to replace with anything other than another Dell part.
     
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 19:02:16 (permalink)
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    General Iroh

    I know it's the not the most reliable source, but check your 12v rails in the bios. If its low (like 11.75 or 11.65) then maybe your PSU is the problem. Do you have a second PSU u can borrow from a friend so you can trouble shoot?


    Where do i check that in my bios? 0_o


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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 19:04:40 (permalink)
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 19:16:01 (permalink)
    I just looked at that in my bios it fluctuated between 12.04 and 11.96

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 19:44:28 (permalink)
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    I just looked at that in my bios it fluctuated between 12.04 and 11.96


    That isn't unusual, it's only .08 volts. The ATX spec is from 11.4 to 12.6. Either your PSU is too weak for the OC or you've reached the OC limits on your card. Either way, I'd reduce your clocks to 750-775 or so until you can get a better PSU. You'd hate to start with the makings of a decent system only to blow it all up with a cheap PSU.

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/27 20:48:50 (permalink)
    That is within acceptable tolerances, but I would check with a multimeter.  You can pick one up relatively cheaply from places like sears or home depot.  

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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/28 00:19:22 (permalink)
    One more thing... are you on stock cooling?
     
    if so.. why are you going 1.087 volts?  Thats a stupid idea on stock cooling.
     
    IF your aftermarket ignore my comment.
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/28 00:45:45 (permalink)
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    no those are definitely voltage lol, yes I use msi afterburner, *cough cause evga wont make something useful for overclocking 470's cough* stock its .960v or something? maybe be not putting the . in 1.087 confused you, but yea would my power supply be the reason for me not being able to push the volt anymore?


    Actually, you are asking for Unwinder to show up. He seems to come around when people knock his utility. Apparently, he makes both the Afterburner and the Precision software. 
     
    Sounds like a crappy Dell PSU to me.
     
    EDIT: 11.96 is not bad. My PC Power and Cooling drops there on occasion under really heavy load from my 2 480's.
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    Re:Would overclock 470 cause computer to shut down? 2010/09/28 00:49:57 (permalink)
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    It indeed does sound like a PSU issue. One rule of thumb in PC building: Never cheap out on the power supply. It's the single most important component in your PC. Everything in your PC relies on it and nothing works without it. If you're looking to cut costs on your build, don't do it on your power supply.

     
    +1 about the power supply.
     
    Also the motherboard is very important, cheaping out on that can cause problems as well. Some of my systems I had in the past wouldn't run the CPU and Ram at the proper speeds even at stock. I learned the hard way =/
     
    my i7 is the first Great Quality build I ever done.
    post edited by _Nite_ - 2010/09/28 00:54:17

    Gaming Rig: AMD Ryzen 7 2700x @ 4.25Ghz - Asrock B450 Pro 4 - 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3000 - 240GB SSD (OS), 1TB ADATA SU800 SSD and 2TB ADATA SX8200 Pro M2 NVME (Games) - 8GB RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra - Sound Blaster Audigy 5 RX - EVGA Supernova 750w G2 - Antec 302 - 24" Asus VG248QE
     
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