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2020/12/19 21:32:11 (permalink)
At this point I wish I had kept my regular cooler on. This cost me over $230 CAD after conversion.

My EVGA CLC 280 is nothing like this and the Hybrid 1080 I had in the past was nothing like this either. Radiator is mounted at the top.

Also disappointed in my temperatures. Stock clocks on the OC bios I got up to 66C in Port Royal which isn’t all that much lower than my normal temps.

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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/19 21:35:14 (permalink)
    Have you own hybrid cooler before? they all sound more/less the same, maybe slightly quieter, but not totally quiet
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/19 21:35:28 (permalink)
    Mine sounds nothing like that, that sounds like an RMA. Do you have hoses at bottom or top of radiator, it looks like its mounted on front?

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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/19 21:40:43 (permalink)
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    Mine sounds nothing like that, that sounds like an RMA. Do you have hoses at bottom or top of radiator, it looks like its mounted on front?


    It’s at the top. Front is my CPU AIO.

    What are your max temps like in Port Royal? Here is stock 65C average

    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/662885

    Here is a quick OC I know was good on air 69C average pulling fresh air in from the top with Noctua F12s than seem to be spinning very fast

    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/662848
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/19 21:41:44 (permalink)
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    Have you own hybrid cooler before? they all sound more/less the same, maybe slightly quieter, but not totally quiet


    Yes I had a 1080 Hybrid sounded nothing like this. Only noise I really heard out of it was some gurgles. I can hear this across the room
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/19 22:17:43 (permalink)
    The pump sounds kind of loud. I don’t really hear mine at all above the fans.

    I would try switching the radiators around and see if that helps thermals at all. I never had success with the radiator mounted as exhaust. Fresh cool air is always better for the GPU imo.
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/19 23:00:49 (permalink)
    Something seems off, I have a EVGA Hybrid FTW3 and from the factory I was hitting 55 to 60C on pull config only. When I went to push pull with 2x ml120 and 2 stock evga fans my temps dropped 5-10C. I cannot hear my pump personally, though my fans do make some noise.

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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/20 05:25:30 (permalink)
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    Something seems off, I have a EVGA Hybrid FTW3 and from the factory I was hitting 55 to 60C on pull config only. When I went to push pull with 2x ml120 and 2 stock evga fans my temps dropped 5-10C. I cannot hear my pump personally, though my fans do make some noise.



    Yea fan noise doesn't bother me. It is the pitch of the pump noise that does. My CLC280 pump makes a bit of noise at full RPM but it doesn't bother me at all. I had a 1080ti Hybrid and it didn't bother me at all. As for temperatures, perhaps I am not making good contact with the die or something. Maybe i need to take it apart and paste it instead of using the pad that comes on the block. Noctua F12s are some of the best 120mm radiator fans available so I expect it would be better than your factory temps. 
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/20 05:47:04 (permalink)
    I think that maybe it’s the radiator location and possibly air. Top mounting is not ideal.

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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/20 05:58:47 (permalink)
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    I think that maybe it’s the radiator location and possibly air. Top mounting is not ideal.



    They literally tell you for best performance and acoustics that is where you should mount it
     

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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2020/12/20 08:17:16 (permalink)
    First, I just wanna say that I tend to enjoy near silent builds, am not a fan of the hybrid's pump noise, and posted about it in another thread. Anyway, mine sounds identical up close, but it's not quite as noticeable with the case closed and sitting ~3 feet away. I had originally planned to step up (sideways) to the 3080 FTW Ultra air flavor, but I'm starting to get used to it and will most likely keep the hybrid.
     
    As for your temps I'm really not sure why they're so high. My card hasn't gone over 53C while gaming, though I have a Noctua D15 blowing from bottom to top in my inverted FT05 case. The GPU heat never enters my case, due to the radiator sitting on top of it externally, allowing all the air inside to stay pretty cool and I think this alone will help me get over the pump noise. I've owned some AIOs in the past and the pumps were a bit louder than this one.
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/01/07 06:27:37 (permalink)
    Last night I got to 70s playing Warzone and noticed my GPU2 temperature peaked at 87. That has me concerned. 
    A repasted seems to make things a little better for a while, but now my idle temp is at 34 and gaming temperatures hit over 70C. 
     
    I am still waiting on them to ship out my RMA I started on the 23rd of December. 
     
    On the positive, the pump noise seems to be a lot better than it was. 
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/01/19 04:40:42 (permalink)
    I had the hybrid kit on  my 3090 FTW3 Ultra and had it top mounted in my 1000D like the instructions say. Got my RMA card yesterday and kept the air cooler on it out of the box. My temps are actually better under load but slightly higher under idle with the AIR cooler on...also, GPU2 does not get stupid hot like it does with the hybrid kit. 
     
    Seems to me the hybrid kits on the 3090 are a massive fail this time around.

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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/01/19 06:20:38 (permalink)
    This might sound weird, but try to turn the computer on it's side while it's running for about 15 seconds and see if the noise stops. 
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/01/19 08:09:56 (permalink)
    If temps are higher or equal to the air cooler then 99% of the time, you most likely did something wrong. A few things that could go wrong:
     
    1. didn't full clean the old thermal putty off completely causing bad contact/air pockets not allowing full contact
    2. didn't tighten it enough causing
    3. air bubbles where they shouldn't be due to mounting position
     
    The last time someone posted about bad temps, it was because they didn't properly clean the old putty off causing horrendous contact.



     
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/01/19 09:25:14 (permalink)
    Need to expose the hybrid to cool intake air, not warm exhaust air.
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/01/19 21:26:07 (permalink)
    Try not to listen to the detractors saying top mount exhaust is bad - it is in fact preferred because otherwise you're going to be venting very warm air in to your computer as intake whenever you're under load, whereas the CPU radiator exhaust air is not going to be THAT warm and will result in less of a delta.
     
    The load temp you're listing (66C) is higher than I saw with an air-cooled 3080 FTW3 Ultra, so that's definitely abnormally high.  For reference, I see anywhere from 50-57C under load on GPU1, depending on what I'm running, ambient temps (69-72F), and all that.  And those load temps are from Cyberpunk 2077, which is about as heavy of a load as I've found for the GPU so far.
    If possible, can you run the GPU with the radiator dismounted & sitting outside the case (making sure the radiator is at least partially above the GPU as otherwise it will get even more noisy) and see if temperatures improve dramatically or not?  That would be an indication of insufficient airflow if they go down more than 2-3C.
     
    Also if you have pump noise that is extremely audible, first try removing the card, holding it below the radiator & physically shaking the card for a bit, that will work out any bubbles that might be stuck in the pump (it's unlikely but possible)... if that doesn't fix it, I would straight up RMA the card, my 3090 FTW3 Hybrid has ZERO audible pump noise.  Even if I put my ear directly to the I/O exhaust port & listen, I can just barely hear the hum of the pump, that's how quiet it is.  If yours is loud, you should RMA it, period.
    And for further reference, I had a 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid before this, which also did not have any noticeable pump noise... so yeah.
     
    Your temps are 100% too high though, if you installed the kit yourself, I would RMA the kit for the pump noise, and when you reinstall the new one, make sure you're installing it correctly & with proper tightness, several people have complained about high temps on Hybrid Kit installs that were fixed by simply remounting it because they had the mount slightly wrong.

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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/01/19 21:29:49 (permalink)
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    Last night I got to 70s playing Warzone and noticed my GPU2 temperature peaked at 87. That has me concerned. 
    A repasted seems to make things a little better for a while, but now my idle temp is at 34 and gaming temperatures hit over 70C. 
     
    I am still waiting on them to ship out my RMA I started on the 23rd of December. 
     
    On the positive, the pump noise seems to be a lot better than it was. 



    What is your ambient temperature, are you running multiple monitors, or just one, and what resolution/refresh rate, and what drivers?  Idling at 34C is high, even if you're running "Prefer Maximum Performance" in NVidia Control Panel, that should only result in ~29-30C idle unless your ambient is something crazy like 80+F.  I missed this post when posting my previous reply.  At least a remount seems to have helped somewhat, but those temps are still way too high.
     
    For a reference, my case is high airflow, ambient is ~69-72F as I said before, and my idle temps with top mounted exhaust, note you, are:
     


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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 08:07:57 (permalink)
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    Last night I got to 70s playing Warzone and noticed my GPU2 temperature peaked at 87. That has me concerned. 
    A repasted seems to make things a little better for a while, but now my idle temp is at 34 and gaming temperatures hit over 70C. 
     
    I am still waiting on them to ship out my RMA I started on the 23rd of December. 
     
    On the positive, the pump noise seems to be a lot better than it was. 



    What is your ambient temperature, are you running multiple monitors, or just one, and what resolution/refresh rate, and what drivers?  Idling at 34C is high, even if you're running "Prefer Maximum Performance" in NVidia Control Panel, that should only result in ~29-30C idle unless your ambient is something crazy like 80+F.  I missed this post when posting my previous reply.  At least a remount seems to have helped somewhat, but those temps are still way too high.
     
    For a reference, my case is high airflow, ambient is ~69-72F as I said before, and my idle temps with top mounted exhaust, note you, are:
     





    Sorry to revive this thread.
     
    My hybrid kit for the ti idles at 33c and on load 100% goes upto 65c (HZD, Outriders to name a few). Intaking air through the radiator using Arctic P12 in push pull from the side of the Lian Li PC011 dynamic case. 3 fans at the bottom air intake. CPU AIO 360mm at the top exhausting. 22c on idle and 50-55c on load seems just too good; that too on a 3090. Now I am curious to understand if any setting in Nvidia Cpl is the reason for such a huge difference in temps ? :| 
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 11:40:51 (permalink)
    Hi. I also installed the Hybrid Kit on my 3080ti. I have a O11 Dynamic too.
    When I had the fans as intake on the side the temps were very bad. I have them now as exhaust and it’s way better. Running the NZXT Kraken Z73 top mounted.
    Added some Silent Wings for Push/Pull today and this brought around 5 degree better temps.

    I can’t see how people get 50C on full load at 2000+ MHz. My card maxes out at 450w at around 65C in Benchmarks and 70C in Flightsim.

    I idle at around 35C (around 25C in the room) with 2 monitors, one of them 4K 120Hz.

    I retightended the screws of the kit. Didn’t help.
    I am not really disappointed. But I expected more.

    No idea if the CPU AIO on the side and the GPU AIO top mounted would be better as the temps are also this high when I remove the side panel.

    Sure. I could run the fans at 100% Speed. But I look for performance at a nice sound level.

    If I run at 1750 MHz is fall from 60 FPS in MSFS to 55 and the machine is SILENT (all fans at 30%) and 51C GPU.
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 12:30:38 (permalink)
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    Sorry to revive this thread.
     
    My hybrid kit for the ti idles at 33c and on load 100% goes upto 65c (HZD, Outriders to name a few). Intaking air through the radiator using Arctic P12 in push pull from the side of the Lian Li PC011 dynamic case. 3 fans at the bottom air intake. CPU AIO 360mm at the top exhausting. 22c on idle and 50-55c on load seems just too good; that too on a 3090. Now I am curious to understand if any setting in Nvidia Cpl is the reason for such a huge difference in temps ? :| 



    You have to be a 220mhz to get the idle in the low 20's.  33C sounds like a 1800mhz idle.  Nvidia driver setting or multi monitor issue, google it.
     
    65C is OK but hard to say without knowing ambient temps, average power and fan speeds.
     
    P12's are OK but not super strong.  Having them intake they are going against significant positive pressure from the bottom fans.  I'd set them as exhaust and turn up the bottom fans or tie them to GPU temp with "Fan Control" software. You can also add the stock fans back in for push pull.
     
    Your mount is probably OK.
     
     
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 12:35:11 (permalink)
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    I can’t see how people get 50C on full load




    I'm literally the only one who has ever done that (49C at 445w, sustained) as far as I know.  It took 3400rpm 120x38mm push pull server fans top exhaust, sealed w/spacer, plus 7 other intaking case fans, back of case sealed off.  Very loud and stiff breeze coming out the top.
     
     
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 12:38:22 (permalink)
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    I can’t see how people get 50C on full load at 2000+ MHz. My card maxes out at 450w at around 65C in Benchmarks and 70C in Flightsim.




    I'm literally the only one who has ever done that (49C at 445w, sustained) as far as I know.  It took 3400rpm 120x38mm push pull server fans top exhaust, sealed w/spacer, plus 7 other intaking case fans, back of case sealed off.  Very loud and stiff breeze coming out the top.
     
     


    Ok. Great. Then I feel better with my temps ;-)
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 13:28:38 (permalink)
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    I can’t see how people get 50C on full load at 2000+ MHz. My card maxes out at 450w at around 65C in Benchmarks and 70C in Flightsim.




    I'm literally the only one who has ever done that (49C at 445w, sustained) as far as I know.  It took 3400rpm 120x38mm push pull server fans top exhaust, sealed w/spacer, plus 7 other intaking case fans, back of case sealed off.  Very loud and stiff breeze coming out the top.
     
     


    Ok. Great. Then I feel better with my temps ;-)



    It sounds like you have a solid setup, but there are limits if you want quiet fans.  I'd try the "Fan Control" freeware, set it up, then fire up a sustained load like Furmark at 400w.  Tune for a locked gaming fan speed profile, not a curve.  You should be able to dial it in based on how you hear each set of fans, definitely try to get the bottom fans going at a good clip.  By locking the fan speeds, when there is a decreased load the AIO's will cool off keeping average temp lower and reducing overall heatsoak. You can tolerate a slightly higher background noise level when it is constant and not revving up and down.
     
    Also make sure you have adequate room ventilation / AC and ample space around the PC for air circulation. Most people cite temps at 20C ambient, so if your room was 20C you'd be at 60C which is pretty decent.
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 13:31:46 (permalink)
    Thanks for the hint with the constant fan speed. Will try.
    At the moment, when undervolting, everything lower than 1800 MHz results in almost dead silence :-) and I love it. And the system is still fast enough for modern games in 4k@60 FPS and older stuff like D3 with 120FPS for my 120Hz OLED. :-)

    But yeah. Will try the constant fan speed thing.
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 13:34:14 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the hint with the constant fan speed. Will try.
    At the moment, when undervolting, everything lower than 1800 MHz results in almost dead silence :-) and I love it. And the system is still fast enough for modern games in 4k@60 FPS and older stuff like D3 with 120FPS for my 120Hz OLED. :-)

    But yeah. Will try the constant fan speed thing.



    Cool good luck.  Nothing wrong with turning down your power limit or locking voltage if you already have effective cooling.
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 13:37:03 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the hint with the constant fan speed. Will try.
    At the moment, when undervolting, everything lower than 1800 MHz results in almost dead silence :-) and I love it. And the system is still fast enough for modern games in 4k@60 FPS and older stuff like D3 with 120FPS for my 120Hz OLED. :-)

    But yeah. Will try the constant fan speed thing.



    Cool good luck.  Nothing wrong with turning down your power limit or locking voltage if you already have effective cooling.


    Thank you.
    Yeah. I’m really a fan of undervolting for the 3000 series.
    I have 5 profiles. From 1700 MHz to 2050 MHz (which I use only for benchmarks) and I find myself running the 1700 Profile most of the time with load temps around 50-53C
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 13:39:58 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the hint with the constant fan speed. Will try.
    At the moment, when undervolting, everything lower than 1800 MHz results in almost dead silence :-) and I love it. And the system is still fast enough for modern games in 4k@60 FPS and older stuff like D3 with 120FPS for my 120Hz OLED. :-)

    But yeah. Will try the constant fan speed thing.



    Cool good luck.  Nothing wrong with turning down your power limit or locking voltage if you already have effective cooling.


    Thank you.
    Yeah. I’m really a fan of undervolting for the 3000 series.
    I have 5 profiles. From 1700 MHz to 2050 MHz (which I use only for benchmarks) and I find myself running the 1700 Profile most of the time with load temps around 50-53C



    Yeah, I'm usually regarded as vehemently anti-undervolting, but that's only in the context of someone making no effort to properly cool their system and using undervolting as a crutch for poor cooling.  There are many tuning options on these cards for a reason.  Though you can achieve the same results as a voltage lock undervolt by using a lower power limit, frame rate limit, and a reasonable core overclock.
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/08/21 13:41:45
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 13:54:27 (permalink)
    I like undervolting as it also gives you more room to overclock.
    My goal are 20.000 points in Timespy. But I don’t know if I can achieve it.
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    Re: Installed my 3090 FTW 3 Hybrid Kit high temps and I am very disappointed in the pump n 2021/08/21 15:00:44 (permalink)
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    I can’t see how people get 50C on full load




    I'm literally the only one who has ever done that (49C at 445w, sustained) as far as I know.  It took 3400rpm 120x38mm push pull server fans top exhaust, sealed w/spacer, plus 7 other intaking case fans, back of case sealed off.  Very loud and stiff breeze coming out the top.
     
     




    Wait a minute...thats the 3080 (as per your screenshot) not the Ti.
     
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