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Sunday, June 05, 2022 1:46 PM (permalink)
Hello, I've been having some instability with my new 3080 12gb and have found something strange:

The EVGA specs call for a boost clock of 1800MHz on this card, however under load I am seeing up to 2000MHz in monitoring software. I suspect this is the cause of the instability. I have not overclocked the card manually but am able to underclock it to normal speeds in Precision X1 software.

Furthermore if I enable debug mode in Nvidia control panel the card locks the boost clock at these high speeds under load. (1995 MHZ).

Anyone have an idea of what is going on? What could be causing it to run at these higher boost clocks?

Is this the probable cause of the instability? Can it be fixed?
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Sunday, June 05, 2022 1:52 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby AliP Sunday, June 05, 2022 4:49 PM
The advertised boost clock is the minimum boost clock you should expect, in the worst conditions, with the worst card. It is normal for the boost to be higher than the advertised boost clock. But, if the card is unstable, that is a different matter which may require a warranty replacement (if you eliminate any other cause).

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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Sunday, June 05, 2022 1:55 PM (permalink)
Interesting, so I guess 2000MHz boost clock on this card is normal. I'll look for other solutions then. Thanks.
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Sunday, June 05, 2022 1:55 PM (permalink)
Would you mind describing the instability you are experiencing?

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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Sunday, June 05, 2022 2:03 PM (permalink)
Crashing in DCS world flight simulator, which is the primary use I bought the card for. The crashes started after upgrading from an 1070. I've been unable to find a specific cause but the crash log suggest it is GPU related.

However DCS is somewhat crash prone so it may not be the cards fault. I've been unable to replicate the problem in stress tests or other games.

Out of curiosity, what regulates the boost clock? I figured 1800MHz would be the hard limit, is there no hard limit then? Does it always just run as fast as it can then?
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Sunday, June 05, 2022 3:05 PM (permalink)
Thermals and power will dictate the limit of the boost clock. So the cooler the card, the faster it will run up to a determined speed which the card somehow knows. I don't fully understand it. If you increase voltage and power limit in X1 then it can boost even higher.
 
Now, if you set the clock lower to 1800MHz, does it stop crashing?

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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Sunday, June 05, 2022 3:12 PM (permalink)
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The crashes started after upgrading from an 1070. I've been unable to find a specific cause but the crash log suggest it is GPU related.

Jump from GTX 1070 to RTX 3080 is pretty segnificant in terms of power supply. What's you PSU and how it's connected to a card (which cables)?
 
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Out of curiosity, what regulates the boost clock? I figured 1800MHz would be the hard limit, is there no hard limit then? Does it always just run as fast as it can then?

NVIDIA GPU have so called "GPU Boost" technology when GPU rise it's frequency depends of few factors: temperature of GPU (lower is better) and i think there also power (temp may be low, it's rise frequency, but it's rise power draw from PSU and if PSU can't give it - it stay where is may get). So, in you game you can do test run with power monitoring via software (like HWiNFO for example) how high GPU power draw go. I think GPU-Z also may show you reason (Sensors tab and then PerfCap reason sensor).
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Sunday, June 05, 2022 4:52 PM (permalink)
lovehaNow, if you set the clock lower to 1800MHz, does it stop crashing?

It will take some time to see, the crashes are not consistent. I'll report back.

rusTORKJump from GTX 1070 to RTX 3080 is pretty segnificant in terms of power supply. What's you PSU and how it's connected to a card (which cables)?

I upgraded  to a RM1000x and used the 3 PCIE cables that came with it. Assuming the PSU itself is not defective I doubt it is the source of the problem.
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Monday, June 06, 2022 3:02 PM (permalink)
When you upgraded, did you happen to do a DDU on your drivers to make sure you didn't run into any driver-bugs from upgrading hardware? It isn't always required, but usually a good idea, especially if you're not interested in doing a completely fresh Windows install. At minimum, it's good to do a "clean install" (the check box during install of the Nvidia drivers) when you're changing hardware.
 
Also, you'll want to make sure Precision X1 is closed when you're updating your drivers. That has caused some issues for folks previously. 

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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Wednesday, June 08, 2022 2:58 PM (permalink)
lovehaNow, if you set the clock lower to 1800MHz, does it stop crashing?

It seems that I'm still crashing despite the lower clock, so perhaps this is not what is causing the issue.

B0baganooshWhen you upgraded, did you happen to do a DDU on your drivers 

Yes.


B0baganooshAlso, you'll want to make sure Precision X1 is closed when you're updating your drivers. That has caused some issues for folks previously. 

Ok, I will try that then. I may just end up doing a fresh Windows install.
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Thursday, June 09, 2022 1:48 AM (permalink)
It looks like resetting my motherboard bios to default settings has solved the problem. 
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Thursday, June 09, 2022 11:34 AM (permalink)
Did you set your ram back to XMP?

Was XMP set before?
Was there a manual CPU overclock?
CPU cooler?
Case?
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PSU and age.

Looking for the underlying reason why hitting CMOS solved your issue.

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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Thursday, June 09, 2022 12:29 AM (permalink)
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Did you set your ram back to XMP?
Was XMP set before?
Was there a manual CPU overclock?
CPU cooler?
Case?
Mobo and CPU?
PSU and age.


Resetting to defaults changed a whole bunch of settings to auto, it will be hard to pin whatever was responsible down.

I had XMP set but it is now auto and I believe the ram is actually underclocked now.

The CPU was not overclocked but I may have followed some bios setup guide when I originally set up the system years ago. My guess is one of those settings was causing CPU/RAM instability and it is just being discovered now that the system is bottlenecked by CPU/RAM speed rather than the GPU.

I have some full tower case and a good CPU air cooler. Temps are not an issue.

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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Thursday, June 09, 2022 12:52 AM (permalink)
Well, what I would do now is set ram back to XMP. See how that does for a week. If nothing happens, then we know it's not a ram issue.

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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Thursday, June 09, 2022 1:08 PM (permalink)
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Well, what I would do now is set ram back to XMP. See how that does for a week. If nothing happens, then we know it's not a ram issue.



I actually have two different types of Corsair Vengence RAM installed:
2x 8gb 3200MHz 16-18-18-36
2x 8gb 3000MHz 15-17-17-35

The BIOS XMP profile that is available is for the 3000MHz version, since the timings are different, do you think it will run the 3000MHz XMP profile fine? Do I need to figure out and set manually the lesser of all the timings and speed?
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Thursday, June 09, 2022 1:11 PM (permalink)
3000MHz is the slower of the two kits, so theoretically it should be fine.
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Thursday, June 09, 2022 4:20 PM (permalink)
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3000MHz is the slower of the two kits, so theoretically it should be fine.



Probably, but the timings are a bit tighter. Not dramatically so...it could be ok...but if one of the kits isn't getting enough voltage or something it could lead to some instability. Or if the looser-timing memory just really can't hack it at the slightly tighter specs when under load.
 
It can sometimes be quite difficult to get mismatched memory to play nicely together.

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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Thursday, June 09, 2022 4:26 PM (permalink)
Its normal, I had a 3070 Ultra that went way past its advertised clocks, a 3080 FTW3 Ultra that goes to 2025mhz boost clock, and now a 3080 12GB FTW3 Ultra that goes to 2070mhz boost clock. Think of it as a silicon lottery, the better the chip and the lower you can keep its temps the more boost potential it can get past its advertised clocks. The ASUS Rog Strix 3080's have been seeing some of those go to 2100mhz.
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Re: 3080 12gb FTW3 running at abnormally high boost clocks Wednesday, August 24, 2022 3:06 AM (permalink)
I have had this card since they dropped the prices. EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 12GB XC3 ULTRA GAMING. 12G-P5-4865-KL

The Boost is 1755mhz. However as stated its dependent on many variables. I like my high frame rate gaming and this thing scales super well. Usually hitting 2025hmz on most games . When my room warms up she settles in at 1980mhz. Yeah the CPU does the work but this card helps out the frames too. No overclocking at all. The card does it all. Mem is at 1187.7 / 9500mhz. 
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