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Finally got around to installing the hybrid kit and I was expecting more. I was hitting 77c+ in games like black desert so I decided to slap a hybrid kit on it, especially after seeing claims of 48-53c in games.
My fan set ups is as follows.
Case Lian li O11 mini.
x3 Corsair QL on bottom as intake
x1 Corsair QL on rear as intake
x3 Corsair QL + 3 Slim Noctua on a 360mm Rad on top as exhaust.
x2 Corsair QL + 2 regular Noctua on the 240mm Rad on the side as exhaust.
I know its "best" to pull in fresh air rather than use case air, but since the 2 biggest heat generators are using AIO and dumping nearly all the hot air out of the case I figured the case air should be pretty good. However I'm seeing temps of 68c, which is still almost 10c cooler than air, but nowhere near 53c people get. Doing a Furmark test seems to put the GPU at around only 60c, still kinda high compared to others. However that means something, most likely the CPU, is still making the case air hotter even though it's on a rad dumping the air out.
Wondering if my AIO is faulty, or my setup isn't that great. Ambient is around 26c
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 0:38 PM
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Temps do seem high, I have mine setup as exhaust and the cpu 360 aio as intake. My max temps on extended gameplay is 60c or less depending on the game. Room temp is 25c. I'm using ll120s on my cpu rad and ml120s (Capellix) on the gpu rad (these can go up to 2400rpm). Furmark maxes out around 54c.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 0:45 PM
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Just played for a bit 73c. Something seems wrong.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 0:55 PM
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the mounting pressure might be uneven when you installed the hybrid kit
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:37 AM
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Finally got around to installing the hybrid kit and I was expecting more. I was hitting 77c+ in games like black desert so I decided to slap a hybrid kit on it, especially after seeing claims of 48-53c in games.
My fan set ups is as follows.
Case Lian li O11 mini.
x3 Corsair QL on bottom as intake
x1 Corsair QL on rear as intake
x3 Corsair QL + 3 Slim Noctua on a 360mm Rad on top as exhaust.
x2 Corsair QL + 2 regular Noctua on the 240mm Rad on the side as exhaust.
I know its "best" to pull in fresh air rather than use case air, but since the 2 biggest heat generators are using AIO and dumping nearly all the hot air out of the case I figured the case air should be pretty good. However I'm seeing temps of 68c, which is still almost 10c cooler than air, but nowhere near 53c people get. Doing a Furmark test seems to put the GPU at around only 60c, still kinda high compared to others. However that means something, most likely the CPU, is still making the case air hotter even though it's on a rad dumping the air out.
Wondering if my AIO is faulty, or my setup isn't that great. Ambient is around 26c
I've 53C cited in Furmark several times on my 3080 FTW3 hybrid, that's at 445w average, but it's also with a highly optimized setup and 20C ambient air. So you're adding 6C straight away with 26C ambient. My fans were the stock FTW3 rad fans at 2900rpm push on a 100% PWM fan hub, plus Noctua A12's at 2000 rpm pull, top exhaust in a Lancool mesh with the top filter off. Gaffing tape sealed to the radiator. Then 4x 140mm AIO front intake at about 1000rpm and 3x generic bottom and bottom front fans at about 1800rpm. One rear exhaust at about 800 rpm. Usually 50-55C with ~2000rpm average rad fan speed gaming at 350-425w in 4k VRR. I've recently installed 3400RPM 120x38mm San Ace server fans push pull and get 50C steady state in 445w Furmark after about 10 minutes. Very loud. Your QL fans max out at like 1500rpm and have limited static pressure capabilities, "regular" noctua fans aren't anything special on radiators either. You should be getting slight positive pressure in the case with the 4x intakes, but they need to be running at top speed. You didn't cite any fan speeds or if you manually adjusted the curves, or any GPU power levels. I like to set a fixed gaming fan speed above a certain temp, with a flat curve, max out your speeds above 40C GPU. Can use "Fan Control" freeware to tie case fans to GPU temp, easy to set up. Remove all dust filters. Not sure what else you have on hand, but if you have a FTW3 kit, I'd go back to the stock fans at push, they will get up to about 2500rpm plugged to the card. Be careful tightening them down as the thin black outer ring can crack. You can look at upgrading fans - the fast ML120's, A12 or Gentle Typhoon 2150rpm, among others. The A12's have the best combination of noise to cooling capability, great at 1800rpm, but are expensive and tan/brown. The 2400rpm ML120 PRO isn't rgb, but there is an AIO replacement variant that is RGB and 2400rpm that I'll link below. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-%7C-Parts/PC-Components/Cooling/Hydro-Series-H100i-RGB-Platinum-Replacement-Fan%2C-120mm%2C-2400RPM/p/CW-8960057 Maybe those on the inside pushing with one of the others above pulling on the outside where you can't see them. With the 6C penalty of the 26C ambient, I'd say you should be able to get about 60C with a good fan setup with the card running at ~350-400w.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:07 AM
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By regular I just meant not slim. They are NF-A12x25. There is a LOT of air moving out of the case, so I don't think it's due to a lack of air moving over the rad. I just decided to repaste and check the spread. I also changed to thermal grizzly paste. The AC is now on, which ambient is around 20-21c so this isn't super apples to apples but I am currently hovering at 61c after about 15 minutes ingame. Curious to see what happens when the room heats up again. 
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:25 AM
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By regular I just meant not slim. They are NF-A12x25. There is a LOT of air moving out of the case, so I don't think it's due to a lack of air moving over the rad. I just decided to repaste and check the spread. I also changed to thermal grizzly paste. The AC is now on, which ambient is around 20-21c so this isn't super apples to apples but I am currently hovering at 61c after about 15 minutes ingame. Curious to see what happens when the room heats up again.
Is that your paste after you took it off? Seems like a lack of mounting pressure
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:44 AM
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Yeah that was after taking it off. I suspected mounting pressure at the begining because when I first installed it I got it finger tight. Turned it on saw the higher temps then took it out to tighten it more, gave it a little bit more pressure. It honestly felt like I was over tightening it, the springs on the screws we're almost flat. We'll see how this repaste goes. Turned off the AC and went to the gas station I'll see what it is when I return.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:59 AM
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Yeah that was after taking it off. I suspected mounting pressure at the begining because when I first installed it I got it finger tight. Turned it on saw the higher temps then took it out to tighten it more, gave it a little bit more pressure. It honestly felt like I was over tightening it, the springs on the screws we're almost flat. We'll see how this repaste goes. Turned off the AC and went to the gas station I'll see what it is when I return.
Humm. There is no subjective tightening of the aio pump block screws, they are supposed to be fully tightened down appropriate for their size, obviously don't snap or strip them, but disregard how compressed the springs are. I like to almost fully tighten, then back off a 1/4 or 1/2 turn and press/wiggle the block a few times to squeeze out excess paste, then fully tighten, good'n tight. Step #8: https://www.evga.com/supp...les/400-HY-1988-B1.pdf I can see from your pic by the card bios that it's a 3080 FTW3 Ultra. It would be helpful to know if you've flashed to a Hybrid bios, what power levels you're running at in games, and what fans speeds you're running, to judge cooling performance. The A12 fans are good but those QL's are holding you back.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:07 AM
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I updated the bios to hybrid. Left black desert up for like 40 mins while I was out. Ambient creeped up to 24c and gpu got to 69c. Still too hot, might try tightening it again.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:34 AM
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I might flip the fans around. I really wanted to dump the hot air outside the case to help the CPU but I don't think the 4 QL fans are pulling in enough air. I sealed everything back up and started black desert and the temps were creeping up to 66c, I remove the front glass and my temps are slowly backed down to 60c.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:43 AM
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The screws should definitely be fully tightened. 69C is very hot, but at the same time your ambient is kinda high at times, and that can impact temps.
Having the AIOs as exhaust with other fans as intake is better for the rest of the system, and shouldn't effect your GPU/CPU temps by more than 1-2C. Trust me when I say the GPU AIO radiator is spitting hot fire when you are gaming, I've done testing to prove it, the air coming out of that thing depending on if it's a regular Hybrid or Kingpin can be between 34-41C air, which would not be a good idea to be spitting that on the rest of your system. As well, having the GPU radiator as intake would result in that air being inputted in to your GPU, which then cools the VRMs with the on board fan, which would result in higher VRM temps, more PCB heat soak, thus raising your temps further, so it's definitely better to have that as exhaust.
I would try doing the screws fully tight, maybe even check your paste application to see if maybe the mounting pressure is bad? I know when I took mine apart & redid my paste, prior to installing the HC block, the AIO's paste was dry as heck, and the mounting pressure looked kind of uneven. When I removed it to install the block, the application/pressure looked better - but my temps didn't change between the original mount & the second one.
To clarify, is this a 3080 or 3090? If it's a 3090, VRAM chips being stacked on both sides of the PCB, and running hot because of lack of proper cooling on the backplate side, which also results in some serious PCB heatsoak, is a notable reason why your temps would be hotter than one might expect. I have a thread on how to mitigate/lower the amount of heat the back-side chips are putting out via adding heatsinks & thermal pads, but that really only applies to 3090s.
Both the 3090 FTW3 Hybrid I had for a month & some change, and the 3090 Kingpin (which is a whole 'nother monster, granted, and has very superior cooling to the other SKUs with better VRM heatsinks & a larger AIO radiator) never saw 60C on the GPU core - if I recall correctly they rarely saw 55C in games, but that's also with Push/Pull EK Vardar fans on the radiators.
Push/Pull is something I highly recommend, it can drop your GPU load temps by 5-10+C according to what others have shown in before & after testing... I set both of those cards up in Push/Pull from day 1 because my previous 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid dropped 5C going to Push/Pull so I figured it would help with the 240mm radiator even more, given how much heat the 30-series cards generate.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:52 AM
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Having the AIOs as exhaust with other fans as intake is better for the rest of the system, and shouldn't effect your GPU/CPU temps by more than 1-2C. Trust me when I say the GPU AIO radiator is spitting hot fire when you are gaming, I've done testing to prove it, the air coming out of that thing depending on if it's a regular Hybrid or Kingpin can be between 34-41C air, which would not be a good idea to be spitting that on the rest of your system. As well, having the GPU radiator as intake would result in that air being inputted in to your GPU, which then cools the VRMs with the on board fan, which would result in higher VRM temps, more PCB heat soak, thus raising your temps further, so it's definitely better to have that as exhaust.
Hey not sure if you saw the other thread, but with my new 3400 rpm server fan setup, my rad exhaust temps are 5C above ambient, or 25C. At 445w. So I've got that going for me.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:29 AM
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Well I flipped the hybrid to intake. GPU is definitely happier but CPU is taking a hit. GPU is getting to 58c (99% usage), CPU can spike up to 73c (usually hovers more in the 55-60c) current ambient is about 24c. I guess this will the config unless I replace the fans with higher air flow fans, but I don't know if I want to do that. Now I just need to fix the random max RPM bug.... Kinda annoying.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 6:45 AM
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Well I flipped the hybrid to intake. GPU is definitely happier but CPU is taking a hit. GPU is getting to 58c (99% usage), CPU can spike up to 73c (usually hovers more in the 55-60c) current ambient is about 24c. I guess this will the config unless I replace the fans with higher air flow fans, but I don't know if I want to do that. Now I just need to fix the random max RPM bug.... Kinda annoying.
Cool man, glad you're satisfied. No idea if that's good or bad without knowing the fan speed and what power limit the card is at.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 7:14 AM
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I can't comment on your mounting pressure but I can let ya know right now your fans are holding you back immensely. QL fans are for looks only but as far as being a fan performance is quite bad. Once you get your mounting pressure issues taken care of find some fans that hit at least 2500 RPM and your temps will be even better!
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 4:55 PM
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I can't comment on your mounting pressure but I can let ya know right now your fans are holding you back immensely. QL fans are for looks only but as far as being a fan performance is quite bad. Once you get your mounting pressure issues taken care of find some fans that hit at least 2500 RPM and your temps will be even better!
Yeah I agree those are terrible fans but radiators are so restrictive a quad of them on intake should provide enough to balance out the five exhausting. As long as they are running at 1500 rpm, which he won't tell us. I didn't mention it before, but the rear fan is always supposed to be exhaust so it doesn't pull in warm air from the GPU card and PSU rear exhausts. But it is just one intake and most of that air probably goes to the cpu AIO. He could have the machine under a desk or in a corner sitting a pocket of warm air.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:13 PM
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I understand the need to go with a 240 rad for the new hybrid, but I definitely prefer the older hybrid kits from a case setup perspective. Front intake, top CPU AIO exhaust, rear 140 exhaust on my 1080ti hybrid is about perfect in my P500.
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Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:40 PM
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Before I flipped them I had the QL fans at 100% since they were the worst of the fans, GPU was controlling the noctua which were usually in the 70% range.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 6:26 PM
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Are you using push-pull with 2 different fans on either side of the rad? This is very bad, the fans won't spin in sync and it will create turbulence (worse airflow AND noise), plus the faster spinning fan will spend some of its energy accelerating the slower one.
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Sunday, May 02, 2021 7:32 PM
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Are you using push-pull with 2 different fans on either side of the rad? This is very bad, the fans won't spin in sync and it will create turbulence (worse airflow AND noise), plus the faster spinning fan will spend some of its energy accelerating the slower one.
Nah it's not an issue. The radiator is extremely restrictive and any flow near to a fan is very turbulent. I ran the stock FTW3 hybrid fans push with Noctua A12's pull with very good results.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 02, 2021 7:55 PM
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henrickd
Are you using push-pull with 2 different fans on either side of the rad? This is very bad, the fans won't spin in sync and it will create turbulence (worse airflow AND noise), plus the faster spinning fan will spend some of its energy accelerating the slower one.
Nah it's not an issue. The radiator is extremely restrictive and any flow near to a fan is very turbulent. I ran the stock FTW3 hybrid fans push with Noctua A12's pull with very good results.
It depends on the fan type. A 3000 RPM and 1200 RPM fan certainly won't perform ideally. In general it's not recommended.
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Sunday, May 02, 2021 8:49 PM
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henrickd
Are you using push-pull with 2 different fans on either side of the rad? This is very bad, the fans won't spin in sync and it will create turbulence (worse airflow AND noise), plus the faster spinning fan will spend some of its energy accelerating the slower one.
Nah it's not an issue. The radiator is extremely restrictive and any flow near to a fan is very turbulent. I ran the stock FTW3 hybrid fans push with Noctua A12's pull with very good results.
It depends on the fan type. A 3000 RPM and 1200 RPM fan certainly won't perform ideally. In general it's not recommended.
Well, one bad and one good is always going to be better than two bad, or one good alone. You'll never see a decrease. The air flow of even a decent fan single fan on a rad is exceptionally low so it's not going to effect an additional fan in any meaningfully negative way. Air flow is air flow. EDIT: So i did test this with my front AIO, it's the CLC280 with the stock fans (2400rpm) push and the case fans (1200rpm) pull, controlled independently. Interestingly, with the push fans running full blast, the inner fans would drop to 1080rpm at full PWM, it starts taking effect at about 1200rpm on the push fans. The push fans can sustain 2400rpm no mater what the pull fans are set to, 570rpm to full. So it seems like the push fans have a bit of negative flow to their pattern which is braking the pull fans slightly, or there is turbulent flow like Henrick says, the pull fan is not designed for. Regardless, the inner pull fan blows out more air flow fast vs. slow, at least with a simple hand test.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Monday, May 03, 2021 1:16 AM
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That also depends on how good of a seal the fans have on the radiator. For instance, the X3M fans I currently have as the "push" on my 480mm radiator have some serious gaps in their "seal" - which is something I'm going to rectify, next time I spend money on this build I'll be switching them to regular Vardars. Things like that can result in blow back, air leakage, and loss of airflow efficiency. You can see the gap in this pic:  Whereas the pull fans are flat & have no gap. I can say, when I just had Vardars in push only on that radiator at first, that it's not that restrictive compared to some others I've experienced, but with it being a 60mm thick monster, it makes sense that it has better overall flow because at that size, less fin density is "required" for good heat dissipation. And lest we forget, you could be stuck with the crapoli fans like the Kingpin Radiator comes with stock, which are just horrible & have really, really bad air blow back/leakage due to their smaller blade design: 
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Monday, May 03, 2021 3:31 AM
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That also depends on how good of a seal the fans have on the radiator.
Yeah, I use gaffing tape to seal my hybrid fans to the radiator, but I haven't bothered on the CPU side because I never see high temps in normal use. Not sure I even can because of the way the 140's are crammed in with a 120 on the bottom front of my case.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Sunday, May 09, 2021 4:17 PM
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not sure what but something is indeed wrong, temps too high, someone who is experienced in this field needs to take a look at this
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
Monday, May 10, 2021 4:12 PM
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HeavenswakeI remove the front glass and my temps are slowly backed down to 60c.
What case do you have? Cause if your temps dropped by that much, sounds to me likes its a case airflow issue. As a comparison, I'm using a Fractal Meshify C. I have a 360 AIO (Corsair H150i) for the CPU (9900k) with fans exhausting - up top. And I have 2 140mm fans up front as intake. With another 120mm in the rear for exhaust. I have a 980Ti Superclocked ACX - aircooled. My CPU temps stay at 38-40c at idle (ambient temps are at 25c) and hovers around 55-60c under gaming with iCue configured to "Extreme" preset for the fans (They're whisper quiet which is surprising). and pump. The 980Ti has the fans set to hit 80% once temps reach 60c (only under gaming) and is rock solid at 62c. Simply removing the front glass, says to me that you're simply limited on air flow within the case and you're experiencing is fan starvation where it can be running at 100% but there's not enough air to move around. At what is essentially a 10c drop from removing the front panel - signifies that your setup is starved of air if your GPU is getting up to 70c on water.
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Re: Bad hybrid kit?
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10C cooler than air sounds like a win in my book. Are you trying to push a very aggressive overclock? Because if not, colder for colder's sake isn't strictly needed once it's well below the thermal limits of the relevant components. Can always keep experimenting with different orientations to optimize, but unforeseen variables around heat generation and airflow can always get in the way of realizing the best-case-scenarios that others may achieve.
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