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EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080)

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Thursday, November 05, 2020 10:12 PM (permalink)
If I am going to replace the stock cooler and back plate with one from EK for a custom water cooling loop, will I see tangible FPS difference between the XC3 vs FTW3 (assuming both were under water)? From what I understand the 3080's biggest problem is temp, not the chip / bin / power. If I can throw it under water with a massive 480 rad, and both are maxed out, will there really be anything more than maybe 1-2 FPS?
 
I have always got the "high end" / "overkill" models so this is a serious question. There is only 50$ difference between the XC3 and a FTW3 model and if I am going to spend 300 on waterblock and parts I don't want to kick myself later for simply not waiting another month.
 
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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Thursday, November 05, 2020 10:31 PM (permalink)
    I would like to know as well. I have an XC3 Ultra sitting next to me, but wanted the FTW.



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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Thursday, November 05, 2020 11:22 PM (permalink)
    Typically the FTW cards are considered to be better more stable at at higher overclock but really a lot of it comes down to luck. EVGA at least guaranties that the FTW3 will hit its stock clocks which are higher while the XC only has to hit its stock clock specs which are lower. That said over clocking in some games is a bigger difference then others.

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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 1:23 AM (permalink)
    You may want to wait for a Hydro copper model to be released if you're going with a ftw3 model, (at least) last generation EK didn't make a waterblock for the ftw3 models, however a standard 3080 block should fit the XC3.

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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 1:29 AM (permalink)
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    You may want to wait for a Hydro copper model to be released if you're going with a ftw3 model, (at least) last generation EK didn't make a waterblock for the ftw3 models, however a standard 3080 block should fit the XC3.


    Has someone confirmed that the XC3 will work with an EK block?  XC3 is not a reference board.  It's close, but still custom, but I also believe EK is making one for XC3's anyways, so it won't matter in the end.
     

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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 1:31 AM (permalink)
    Also remember FTW's have the 3 power connectors and the OC switch for the bios.  This will give you a little more headroom to overclock than the XC3 will offer since it's only on 2 - 8pin connectors and EVGA has no plans to offer an OC bios due to the power limit of the 2 connector's and the PCIe bus. 
     

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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 3:39 AM (permalink)
    You can use the EK configurator to figure out if the block will fit.
    I ordered the block and back plate myself after checking to see if it would work.
    My card is the xc3 ultra.
     Didn't see a block for the FTW3 yet.
     
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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 5:19 AM (permalink)
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    Has someone confirmed that the XC3 will work with an EK block?  XC3 is not a reference board.  It's close, but still custom, but I also believe EK is making one for XC3's anyways, so it won't matter in the end.

    EK’s reference 3080/3090 block won’t fit the XC3 without some modding.  They have a specific block for the XC3 up for preorder on their shop with an estimated arrival of mid-November.  FTW block to follow in December-ish.
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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 6:25 AM (permalink)
    Another thing to consider is that the XC3 waterblocks will be released sooner by EK than the FTW3.  Although they gave a vague statement of "within a matter of weeks" of the XC3.
     
    I had heard mention of the 30 series not having as much overclocking headroom as previous generations of cards also.
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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 9:02 AM (permalink)
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    If I am going to replace the stock cooler and back plate with one from EK for a custom water cooling loop, will I see tangible FPS difference between the XC3 vs FTW3 (assuming both were under water)? From what I understand the 3080's biggest problem is temp, not the chip / bin / power. If I can throw it under water with a massive 480 rad, and both are maxed out, will there really be anything more than maybe 1-2 FPS?
     
    I have always got the "high end" / "overkill" models so this is a serious question. There is only 50$ difference between the XC3 and a FTW3 model and if I am going to spend 300 on waterblock and parts I don't want to kick myself later for simply not waiting another month.
     
    Thanks!



    The XC3 and FTW3 are slightly different board designs.  If you're spending that much for the card to watercool and couple hundred for the block, why not spend $50 for the FTW3 Ultra?  The cards are pretested to meet the boost clocks.  (but not binned)  Anything above the advertised boost is silicon lottery.  As for the $50 extra, the FTW3 has more temp sensors if you want to monitor various onboard temps.  It comes down to how much are you going to tweak and monitor the performance based on deminishing returns.

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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 4:54 PM (permalink)
    I also can get a XC3 where as I can't get a FTW where I am from currently. Could be weeks or months before I can get a FTW3


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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Friday, November 06, 2020 5:03 PM (permalink)
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    Has someone confirmed that the XC3 will work with an EK block?  XC3 is not a reference board.  It's close, but still custom, but I also believe EK is making one for XC3's anyways, so it won't matter in the end.
     

     
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    Re: EK Water Cooling; Will it matter if I get a XC3 vs FTW3 (3080) Thursday, August 05, 2021 2:54 PM (permalink)
    i know its a long time since this thread, but incase of interest....
     
    i have the XC3 ultra Hybrid. Early get sustainable overclocks up to 2050Mhz and can even set it to "permanent boost" with temps in the 55 to 60 degree range, provided i underplot the card. At those settings completely stable, including within my own CUDA AI models.
     
    For gaming, i can ramp it up by about another 100Mhz and don't get crashes, although temps are about 7 to 10 degrees higher. HOWEVER, at those levels my AI models start to diverge quickly which suggests that errors are occurring, just not ones you can "see" on screen when gaming and not sufficient to cause a crash. Above that i get an immediate crash (and sometimes loops of crashes... be careful!)
     
    With the 2050 overclock power draw at rest is usually around 35w and doesn't really go above about 280w even fully loaded. Compute times in my models do go down proportionally and frame rates do go up proportionally to the overclock so it seems to be working.
     
    THE PROBLEM IS that the pump on my card is extremely loud and it is difficult to sit in front of the PC for any period of time at all..... to the point i have requested an RMA. 
     
    It might well be that i have "won the silicon lottery" with my card so i am attempting to RMA just the hybrid cooler. If that fails, i might just buy a new hybrid cooler instead of worrying about the guarantee. I do have doubts though, and might go for a full custom loop (using EK) as there are other reports of noisy pumps. At the end of the day, a custom loop would cost £400 and the hybrid kit is £140, so i guess there is a difference in quality....
     
    The EVGA card itself is GREAT tho, and if you hit it luck with the cooler, all good. If you don't, my personal view is that it is still well worth a punt.... I'm not a big gamer and am using the card daily for modelling [hint: a 3080Ti is way better value and sometimes even faster for games....]!
    post edited by ceruleancloud63 - Thursday, August 05, 2021 2:57 PM
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