Myersjames93
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What does power target mean? If card is 144% what’s that 144 percent based of? 144% of what? And other cards much cheaper they only have power target of 112 percent etc,
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Re: Question on power target general knowledge on how it’s figured
Sunday, July 28, 2019 2:57 AM
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If the card is 144% power target, that means it's 1.44 times the original power target. What the original power target is will depends on what card it is, whether it's a reference board or not (non-reference boards have higher levels if I remember correctly), and if it's binned or not.
Usually what I've seen with the 112% levels are the non-binned 20-series chips. These are the chips without the "A" in them (300 vs 300A for example).
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Re: Question on power target general knowledge on how it’s figured
Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:42 PM
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Thank you... that answers my question perfectly
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Re: Question on power target general knowledge on how it’s figured
Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:58 PM
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Usually what I've seen with the 112% levels are the non-binned 20-series chips. These are the chips without the "A" in them (300 vs 300A for example).
I hope this isn't the case - it would seem odd that the 2070S XC Ultra I purchased is 'non-binned' - and yet the power level increase is limited to 112%. Well, whatever - mine clocks from 2010 and 2055 with a +75 in X1 (it prefers 2040 and 2025, though, although sometimes it is close-to or even equal-to 2100, if briefly). Perhaps it doesn't matter. Also - I had read and seen some stuff about 2080's (and therefor, any card using the same basic bits, such as the 2070 S) having some 2050Mhz wall of overclock-ability (sort of off topic, but it just happen to cross my mind as I was typing).
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Re: Question on power target general knowledge on how it’s figured
Monday, July 29, 2019 7:49 PM
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Usually what I've seen with the 112% levels are the non-binned 20-series chips. These are the chips without the "A" in them (300 vs 300A for example).
I hope this isn't the case - it would seem odd that the 2070S XC Ultra I purchased is 'non-binned' - and yet the power level increase is limited to 112%.
Well, whatever - mine clocks from 2010 and 2055 with a +75 in X1 (it prefers 2040 and 2025, though, although sometimes it is close-to or even equal-to 2100, if briefly). Perhaps it doesn't matter.
Also - I had read and seen some stuff about 2080's (and therefor, any card using the same basic bits, such as the 2070 S) having some 2050Mhz wall of overclock-ability (sort of off topic, but it just happen to cross my mind as I was typing).
Check into upgrading your BIOS. I'm not sure with the Supers, but I believe originally all of the reference cards came with power limited to 112% (my original 2080 XC Ultra did), and you had to reflash the BIOS to increase power limit. But then EVGA started shipping the newer ones with the higher power limit BIOS already in them.
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Re: Question on power target general knowledge on how it’s figured
Monday, July 29, 2019 8:14 PM
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I hope this isn't the case - it would seem odd that the 2070S XC Ultra I purchased is 'non-binned' - and yet the power level increase is limited to 112%.
Well, whatever - mine clocks from 2010 and 2055 with a +75 in X1 (it prefers 2040 and 2025, though, although sometimes it is close-to or even equal-to 2100, if briefly). Perhaps it doesn't matter.
Also - I had read and seen some stuff about 2080's (and therefor, any card using the same basic bits, such as the 2070 S) having some 2050Mhz wall of overclock-ability (sort of off topic, but it just happen to cross my mind as I was typing).
AFAIK they have changed how they bin the TU104, now they just have specific part numbers which have a certain core count and clock. Thus all the 2070S chips should be the same, unless the board vendors test and use better chips in their better cards. There is a huge variation in bios and power though. FTW3 ultra has a 260w (100%) and 338w (130%), while a Nvidia Founders is 215w (100%) and 260w (121%): https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=NVIDIA&manufacturer=&model=RTX+2070+Super&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since= I think it's the GPU-Z software that will show you the bios and the power targets.
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Re: Question on power target general knowledge on how it’s figured
Monday, July 29, 2019 8:52 PM
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I hope this isn't the case - it would seem odd that the 2070S XC Ultra I purchased is 'non-binned' - and yet the power level increase is limited to 112%.
Well, whatever - mine clocks from 2010 and 2055 with a +75 in X1 (it prefers 2040 and 2025, though, although sometimes it is close-to or even equal-to 2100, if briefly). Perhaps it doesn't matter.
Also - I had read and seen some stuff about 2080's (and therefor, any card using the same basic bits, such as the 2070 S) having some 2050Mhz wall of overclock-ability (sort of off topic, but it just happen to cross my mind as I was typing).
AFAIK they have changed how they bin the TU104, now they just have specific part numbers which have a certain core count and clock. Thus all the 2070S chips should be the same, unless the board vendors test and use better chips in their better cards.
There is a huge variation in bios and power though. FTW3 ultra has a 260w (100%) and 338w (130%), while a Nvidia Founders is 215w (100%) and 260w (121%):
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=NVIDIA&manufacturer=&model=RTX+2070+Super&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=
I'm going to take a wild guess that the XC Ultra has a higher 100% power setting. I think it's the GPU-Z software that will show you the bios and the power targets.
"Adjustment Range -42% to +12%" (or 58% to 112%) This was confirmed by tech support when I asked, btw (that 112% is the limit). One would think a card with a factory OC (even if just 30Mhz) and a large-ass cooler would be permitted to have a power limit at least as high as the founders.
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Re: Question on power target general knowledge on how it’s figured
Monday, July 29, 2019 8:54 PM
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Usually what I've seen with the 112% levels are the non-binned 20-series chips. These are the chips without the "A" in them (300 vs 300A for example).
I hope this isn't the case - it would seem odd that the 2070S XC Ultra I purchased is 'non-binned' - and yet the power level increase is limited to 112%.
Well, whatever - mine clocks from 2010 and 2055 with a +75 in X1 (it prefers 2040 and 2025, though, although sometimes it is close-to or even equal-to 2100, if briefly). Perhaps it doesn't matter.
Also - I had read and seen some stuff about 2080's (and therefor, any card using the same basic bits, such as the 2070 S) having some 2050Mhz wall of overclock-ability (sort of off topic, but it just happen to cross my mind as I was typing).
Check into upgrading your BIOS. I'm not sure with the Supers, but I believe originally all of the reference cards came with power limited to 112% (my original 2080 XC Ultra did), and you had to reflash the BIOS to increase power limit. But then EVGA started shipping the newer ones with the higher power limit BIOS already in them.
Interesting. I wonder if they will follow suite with the 2070S. If all fails, and it is proved worth-doing by others that jump first, I will go for custom bios (like I did on my Titan-original).
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Re: Question on power target general knowledge on how it’s figured
Monday, July 29, 2019 8:59 PM
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From what I understand 100% power on a EVGA 2070 Super XC Ultra is 215w, combined with the 112% max, that totally kneecaps the card. FTW3 Ultra is really the only way to go, unless they offer a 130% bios for the lower level cards.
post edited by kevinc313 - Monday, July 29, 2019 10:06 PM
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