stephanpark
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Hello, Main question first. How do I replace the stock fans on my Hybrids? Next question, is there any way to dampen radiator vibration? The case I have coincidental resonates at the frequency of the GPU pumps it seems. Assessments: 1. Fan noise problem: There is no question the stock fans are loud and not up to my quality expectations. Detached and held in hand while running, they vibrate noticeably. I've already stated they are loud compared to be old machine's Noctua fans on air cooled custom Quadro. 2. Hybrid pump resonance problem: The radiator may be OK, but my case material, sound dampening material and case volume seems to exaggerate resonance with radiators are directly attached to the relatively flexible floor grill (which is the only place they will fit in my case). EVGA problems: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW Hybrid seems not to have PWM or 3 pin fan cables. Instead they use a 3 pin connector with presumably just DC voltage controlled fans with 2 pins and no sensor line. Radiator fan control is not available with Percision X software, just the on-board PCB cooler. I don't know how the DC fans are controlled if at all, input here would be welcome. My plan: Because I don't think the FTW Hybrid has any way to control 3 pin or PWM fans that are not stock, I'll be swapping out the fans with Noctua or Corsair pressure low speed fans (sorry EVGA), use Speedfan to get GPU temps to control off CHA_FAN1 and CHA_FAN2 headers on motherboard. What do you guys think?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Wednesday, June 28, 2017 4:32 PM
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I use Corsair ML120s on both of my 1080 Ti Hybrid kits. I got myself a fan hub from Silverstone and plug all related fans (4 in my case since I do push/pull on both radiators) into the hub, then plug the hub into a motherboard header and control the fans using the BiOS. That's basically what you're planning on doing, so yeah, plug the fan into the motherboard as you said and use Speedfan to control it.
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stephanpark
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Friday, June 30, 2017 6:39 AM
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Quick update: SpeedFan does not support my motherboard being a Z270 chipset so controlling fans off motherboard using 1080 FTW Hybrid's temperature reading is a no go. Cyberdimensions, I very much want a plug-and-play solution as far as temperature maintenance. The issue is finding a solution that can respond to each card's varied SLI modes. Gaming is not really the problem, the cards work in sync. But 90% of the time, I run OpenGL/CL rendering and preview of massive mesh counts (particle effects, leaves on trees in a forest, crowd animation). The cards run in different modes when working, eg. one runs monitor and other handling physics and lighting (presumed). Thusly, I've found the cards vary wildly in temperature from each other depending on what I'm doing. It isn't bad cards, I've swapped monitors and modes on the cards and see the same delta the other way around so temp based cooling is a must. This is why Precision X lack of user controlled rad fan, non-tachometric DC cables and bundling mediocre fans makes me nerd rage increasing temperature in the room making things worse (joke).
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Friday, June 30, 2017 11:00 AM
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Wait, your radiator is on the floor portion of your case? As in below the GPU, or rather, the pump?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Friday, June 30, 2017 7:45 PM
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Goobers, the case is a Corsair Carbide 600Q. It got great reviews, very pretty IMHO. It has an upside-down layout, the GPU rads are exhausted down and out, CPU rad is intakes from front. AIO is not affected by "reservoir" placement. Tested in horizontal arrangement, during bench testing. No difference in noise levels when radiators is placed on resonant surface like motherboard box but head silent on neoprene mouse pad on solid wood table. Dampening balls in the mail, cross fingers.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Friday, June 30, 2017 9:08 PM
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Uh, yes it is affected. There's air in there that you're constantly shoving through the pump by having the rad flat with the tubes coming out the top. Yes, my wording earlier was wrong to some degree as my reasoning directly relates to the rad itself. The pump relies on having no air go through it once its in (stable) operation. The impellers lose efficiency when there's an air bubble in the pump area because air is highly compressible whereas liquids are (largely) incompressible. And that's assuming air actually gets pushed out of the pump before being sucked back in later. If the air never leaves, then heat is building up in the air pocket. And finally, the impeller moving in and out of an air pocket generates noise/vibration. Try moving it to the rear as exhaust. At the very least, have it vertical with the tubes coming in at the bottom. As the reservoir itself can hold any and all air at the opposite (top) end. ~~~~~ On a separate note, I'm not sure having an exhaust on the bottom is all that great of an idea either. I believe having fans blow down onto a surface that close can create back pressure and that might amplify "resonance." Though it's probably realistically minor and overall insignificant. But my actual concern is if enough of it flows to the front, it just gets sucked right back into the case through the intake. I have a couple of general rules I follow when it comes to managing airflow in a case. One: Most important of all... avoid sucking in exhausted air as much as possible. I do that simply by having my intakes in front and below, while the exhaust goes out the rear and top. Two: keep airflow (volume) for intake and exhaust as similarly as possible. That is either done by physically having same number of similar speed fans as intake vs exhaust. If not possible, then have adjustable speed fans match the overall volume. This is to avoid having back pressure when the intake is too high (air moves slower in the case than the intakes can ideally push) or dust accumulation when the exhaust is too high (air will be forcibly sucked in from any and all openings around the case... usually unfiltered). Opinions aside about the case, many cases are set up with not too different ideas regarding airflow... and the proof is usually in where the filters are. Intakes are filtered while exhaust are not. For you case, that's front and bottom. Many PSUs have fan layouts such that it pulls from below and pushes out the back. For your case, the PSU will act as an exhaust. So, if you move the hybrid to the rear as exhaust, you have two exhausts. Then leave the front and add one or more to the bottom as intakes. The more intakes you have, the lower the speeds they can be to match the two exhaust. Since CPU AIO will need some minimum level, the bottoms ones will be even slower.
post edited by Goobers - Friday, June 30, 2017 9:13 PM
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:16 AM
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Goobers, AIO is supposed to be sealed airless and air-tight. Operative phrase being "supposed to be". Heard bubble-crackling when I accidentally bumped the case (it is on casters, a mod I'm weirdly proud of) so definitely on your side about air pockets. Not enough space to put Hybrid rads vertical in back, only spot for one 120/140mm in rear, none above. PSU is acting as case exhaust. I have absolutely no issues with temperatures, airflow is quite good but not really critical since CPU and GPUs are on their own radiators. Only minor temp issue is Hybrid 1 (center floor placement) running 2°C hotter than twin but that could be Hybrid 1 is SLI primary. Might split the difference since rebuilding is not within budget but completely agree, put too much faith in AIO build quality. For now, Hybrid rad 1 in rear, Hybrid rad 2 floor-back is best that can be done to this case. 20/20 hindsight means a 400Q was a better choice. It is identical in every way but right-side-up ATX and no 5.25 bays. It has a massive removable exhaust panel on top. But greed and love of cartridges led me to 600Q so I could have my beloved SATA hot-swap bays in front for raw-footage transport, which I use very often for work.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:34 AM
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All of the AIO coolers have air in them. All. They are all made by the same company who owns the patent after all. The radiator should be somewhere above the GPU and the hoses should be at the bottom of the radiator. Even EVGA representatives recommend this solution over and over again. The top of the radiator should be the highest point in the AIO system so that the air can collect there. If you do it that way, the bubble cavitation sound will go away within a period of hours. If you don't do it that way, the bubble cavitation sound will never go away no matter how many times you replace it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:06 AM
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ty_ger07 All of the AIO coolers have air in them. All. They are all made by the same company who owns the patent after all. The radiator should be somewhere above the GPU and the hoses should be at the bottom of the radiator. Even EVGA representatives recommend this solution over and over again. The top of the radiator should be the highest point in the AIO system so that the air can collect there. If you do it that way, the bubble cavitation sound will go away within a period of hours. If you don't do it that way, the bubble cavitation sound will never go away no matter how many times you replace it.
Yeah it's true that all AIO have air in them, but compared to others, this one seems to have more. But on my side, after like 2 hours, it stop making bubble noises. So that's not an issue. But sure it could be if your pump is higher than the radiator so the air is in the pump. But it's true that the fan on the radiator is really noisy. Why is it always running at full speed ? I don't get it. There's no way in drivers to slow it down. So I decided to add a resistor cable (I had two with my Thermaltake case) to it. It's still run well, but it's a less noisy and the GPU don't really get hotter than before, as the fan on the card finally do something else than staying at it's minimum speed. Honestly, I wonder why they decided that the fan on the radiator should always be at max speed...
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:49 AM
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With the earlier hybrid kits and to some extent, the current ones... the reason is because the kit mounts onto reference designed PCB. That design is only for one fan. So the options are, 1) speed control both fans & pump together. vary speed on the pump isn't bad, but letting it stop surely is. 2) speed control both fans and bypass the pump. requires rewiring in the pump. 3) bypass the stock fan and pump to control only the rad fan. also requires rewiring in the pump. or the current, 4) control stock fan as it's already wired for it and save some $change by using just two wires for power/ground for both pump and fan. Especially when the pump is designed by a completely different company in the first place. With custom PCB, then they can have multiple fan/pump headers and do whatever to each separately. ~~~~~ As for controlling the fan... another option is to replace it with something else that plugs into the motherboard and have whatever software there control it. Though it might a little tricky to set up a fan profile through the motherboard to be based on GPU temps.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Hybrid fans too loud, please assist with upgrade path.
Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:29 AM
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CedPom, balancing quality to profit is the real world. That said, my two FTWs leave more to be desired for mid-upper G prices, if I had another go, I'd get reference Ti in SLI and another company's AIO add-on solution. My old machine was a Quadro shrine. All air cooled but essentially the whole interior was a giant radiator. One on CPU taking up nearly the entire motherboard area, and the Quadro modded with a rad that took up the entire PCI board area. It was dead silent at full load though. I'm not that crazy anymore so off the shelf AIO was the plan. This card is the best rated hybrid at time of purchase for the price so slam-dunk, right? Nope! Goobers, I'm going mobo header and fixed speed until down to silent while idle temp is in good zone. If things get bonkers, I can get a probe controller or wait for SpeedFan god to get off his ass (kidding, please don't smite me Alfredo!). Bubble Trouble: As for bubble and pump turbine grumble, I plan to game for a couple hours -for maintenance purposes only- with the case open and the two FTW rads sitting above the case to pull bubbles into rad cap (opposite side of hoses). Once I'm satisfied, I will gingerly mount as planned, Hybrid 1 mid case, Hybrid 2 replacing back fan. The mid case mount is of note because I designed a custom duct to push air out the floor while the rad is upright. Both push configuration as advised by Noctua rep, oh right, the fans. A pair of Noctua NF-A12 iPPC 2000. Same numbers as NF-A12-20 but has carrier-launch mode if need. Will post pictures if it all works out. Attached image is extracted data from a good website I forgot the name of. It is for the 140mm but should be close enough.
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