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Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:19 AM (permalink)
Hey guys,
 
I'll be here in the USA until 15th of January. I know that the 1080 Tis will be released in January. Do you think they'd be in stores until 15th of January?
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:28 AM (permalink)
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    Hey guys,
     
    I'll be here in the USA until 15th of January. I know that the 1080 Tis will be released in January. Do you think they'd be in stores until 15th of January?


    How do you know that?  Still the same rumors.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:35 AM (permalink)
    Oh I thought it'd be unveiling at CES in January. I didn't know it was just a rumour. Is it?
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:59 AM (permalink)
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    Oh I thought it'd be unveiling at CES in January. I didn't know it was just a rumour. Is it?


    So far, it is still just a rumor. I'm not sure about getting a 1080Ti...rumored specs have it right on the cusp of being a 2160P card...but with compromises. Even if they did announce at CES, given the usual time lag between announcing and product in the channel, a January purchase seems highly unlikely.
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 5:42 AM (permalink)
    Ok guys thanks. The reason I would like to get it is that I'm upgrading my graphic card from 690 GTX. I bought a Evga 1080 GTX FTW and I haven't opened the box yet. So before leaving the USA I may consider getting a Ti version but if it won't be at stores before than 15th of January, then there is no reason to think about it.
     
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:08 AM (permalink)
    I'd be willing to bet a 1080 Ti will get announced sometime in Jan... but I don't think it will be available. Availability is probably why NVIDIA hadn't launched it already. 
     
    Waiting will give NVIDIA the chance to see how Vega performs and price the 1080 Ti accordingly or time the launch to overlap Vega news, I'm sure they won't pass up that chance.


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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:12 PM (permalink)
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    Hey guys,
     
    I'll be here in the USA until 15th of January. I know that the 1080 Tis will be released in January. Do you think they'd be in stores until 15th of January?




    No I think GTX1080Ti will be in store after AMD launch their cards.
    I wait GTX1080Ti but maybe I decide earlier to buy EVGA GTX1080 FE.
    Now is available to me for 740 euro.
    Problem is because GTX1080Ti will be available for same money and GTX1080 FE will cost 550.
    I mean it's not small price difference, almost enough for 512GB M.2.
    I think GTX1080Ti will be available after 1st February.
    But if AMD launch their card NVIDIA will announce GTX1080Ti after 3-4 days.
    And people will not wait long.
    I can't wait to install new card... Somehow I was very satisfied with bunch of reference cards, and now I have old 580 EVGA reference as backup card, maybe I really should choose EVGA Founders... NVIDIA didn't allow them to increase clock for 100-120MHz... that's bad.
    That would be awesome model GTX1080 FE SC.
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:38 PM (permalink)
    It is true that NVIDIA will give a keynote address at CES 2017. There hasn't been any other information at this time.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:19 PM (permalink)
    I personally don't think we will see 1080TI at CES unless we see a vega card. Also, you have to realize the rumor mill has fallen quite since 1050 launched and we should still be seeing more leaks, not daily but once every other week, about it since are this close to he rumored launch. Nvidia is likely saving it as a spoiler for AMD or they have saved a larger GP102 card as a spoiler for AMD should they launch vega before Volta is ready
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:30 PM (permalink)
    I'm waiting for the 1080 GTX PE ( Origin Of Power Edition) 2x faster then the XP.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:18 PM (permalink)
    more fuel for the 1080 TI speculation i suppose:
     
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:28 PM (permalink)
    1080 Ti comes out. Everyone is happy and glad they waited. Few months later. Volta releases making that 1080 Ti outdated and pitch forks are out. Rinse, repeat and recycle. 

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:47 AM (permalink)
    I'd sure love to see what the 1080 Ti's specs would be, i would have though that the 1080 Ti would have already been out since the Classie's are out. But yeah Nvidia does need to have a trump card up their sleeves for the Vega/Volta's coming out in 2017.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:33 PM (permalink)
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    I'd sure love to see what the 1080 Ti's specs would be, i would have though that the 1080 Ti would have already been out since the Classie's are out. But yeah Nvidia does need to have a trump card up their sleeves for the Vega/Volta's coming out in 2017.


    NVIDIA also knows that AMD will release Vega so I'm sure whatever hardware NVIDIA decides to release in 2017 it will be a step ahead of AMD.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:39 PM (permalink)
    Nvidia is swimming in money without a care in the world. hell they are more than happy selling you mid range cards for high end prices and a gimped gpu at 1200 bucks at the moment. they can easily trump anything that AMD could realistically come out with it just by moving the product stack up or simply adding something in between. and it looks like the 1080 ti will take the already gimped Titan X and gimp it one more notch and still beat AMD...
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Sunday, December 18, 2016 3:00 PM (permalink)
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    1080 Ti comes out. Everyone is happy and glad they waited. Few months later. Volta releases making that 1080 Ti outdated and pitch forks are out. Rinse, repeat and recycle. 




    True statement.  It is always the way of the upgrade.  This time around, if the projected Jan release is "true" this release is really late in the cycle.  Pascal was released on 5/31 and it will be 7 months after if, and when the TI gets released.  Perhaps a 5 month lifecycle or slightly more when the "1180" gets released.  As with most rumors...take with a grain of salt:
     
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:32 PM (permalink)
    Nvidia has no incentive to release the 1080Ti before AMD releases Vega.  So I expect a release around Vega, which will also allow Nvidia to price the 1080Ti accordingly to beat out the high end Vega part, as the high end Vega definitely outperforms the 1080 GTX.
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:58 PM (permalink)
    They launch the 1080Ti and then you have to wait for half a year for the scalpers to stop buying up all the supply. Fun times ahead... 
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:16 PM (permalink)
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    They launch the 1080Ti and then you have to wait for half a year for the scalpers to stop buying up all the supply. Fun times ahead... 




     
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:56 PM (permalink)
    I wouldn't say Nvidia doesn't have reason to release the 1080 Ti until AMD makes a move.  Keep in mind that the 980 Ti released ahead of the Fury X.  Nvidia dictated the price range for that kind of performance, as AMD priced the Fury X based on its performance versus the 980 Ti.  However, the main difference this time is that Nvidia is absolutely dominating the enthusiast market.  Nvidia has 5 cards that AMD has no answer to in terms of performance: 980 Ti, Titan X Maxwell, 1070, 1080, and Titan X Pascal.  It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.  Insanely low prices have not helped AMD much lately to be honest.  I was surprised how low they priced the RX 480 (this tier from AMD usually goes for $250).  Interestingly enough, AMD lost market share the quarter of its release.  There went the conventional AMD fanboy wisdom that the mid-to-low-range dictates market share.  If that were true, then AMD would have a much higher market share than it currently does.  The enthusiast market for graphics cards matters.  It's the one component of a PC that can show dramatic gains in performance for gaming from one tier to the next, or one generation to the next.  People may be cheap with their CPU, mobo, SSDs, and memory, but the graphics card is what matters most for PC gamers.  Also, credit exists, so even the mid-to-low-income PC gamer can get their hands on a GTX 1080 by financing it over time without interest.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Monday, December 19, 2016 9:30 AM (permalink)
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    I'd sure love to see what the 1080 Ti's specs would be, i would have though that the 1080 Ti would have already been out since the Classie's are out. But yeah Nvidia does need to have a trump card up their sleeves for the Vega/Volta's coming out in 2017.


    NVIDIA also knows that AMD will release Vega so I'm sure whatever hardware NVIDIA decides to release in 2017 it will be a step ahead of AMD.




    THAT remains to be seen. I suppose that TI will provide max 10-15% over 1080.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Monday, December 19, 2016 5:41 PM (permalink)
    Still, that is up to 10 to 10.5 TFLOPS of compute which will be tough to beat no matter what. It sounds like full Vega 10 at max speed peaks at 12.5 TFLOPS, which would give some competition to the Titan X, which I personally would love to see since then more people can get their hands on that level of hardware than just he people who have wads of money around or that NVIDIA sponsors for them. I personally would still go with the NVIDIA offering unless the Vega 10 card is at the right price but then you need to consider NVIDIAs response. We still have no full GP102 card in the consumer market, which would close the 11 TFLOPS to 12.5 TFLOPS gaps, and we also do not have a dual GPU card, which is still possible. Now, GTX 1080TI would be a good response to a shaved Vega 10 card and a larger Titan, also based on GP102, would be a good response to a full Vega 10 if it lives up to the hype AMD has for it. We also have heard that AMD might bring a dual Vega card next year, I would not be surprised if we have a dual GP102 card if it comes before Volta comes out. Also, timing will be a question, if the Vega cards come out late in Q1, then NVIDIA would have to release the 1080TI before Vega comes if they plan on Volta cards for this year. AMD needs to move fast if they want to try for the 50% of the market they claim they can get seeing as though Pascal has bee out since May and GTC is coming in May again, and NVIDIA wants to announce a new architecture at each GTC, which would mean some Volta card would get teased next year at the very least. As of right now, we only have rumors about 1080TI and Volta, and almost no facts about Vega other than some form of it can run star wars battlefront at 4k at 60+FPS.
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:39 PM (permalink)
    If I was a crazy person I'd think Volta was gonna be announced instead of a 1080 Ti, because EVGA's store has been picked clean of 1080's for a few weeks now. Only one of the hybrids was left. Nobody else has stock issues on 1080's so EVGA is up to something. 


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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:51 PM (permalink)
    Many people want EVGA cards, they become very popular last 3 years in Europe and Asia, because of that sometimes they gone from market.
    And because EVGA not sell their cards everywhere as MSI, GIGABYTE or ASUS.
    I think GTX1080Ti will be about 25-30% faster than GTX1080.
    GTX1080Ti is different graphic processor. GTX1080 is GP104, TITAN X Pascal is GP102... GTX1080Ti should be GP102.
    Different chip can't bring less than 30% difference. He will be crippled except if AMD really surprise, than GTX1080Ti need more cores than TITAN X.
    If not higher clocks will compensate less cores.
    10-15% difference are usually between same graphic processor with more or less CUDA cores/Shaders.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:05 AM (permalink)
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    1080 Ti comes out. Everyone is happy and glad they waited. Few months later. Volta releases making that 1080 Ti outdated and pitch forks are out. Rinse, repeat and recycle. 




    True statement.  It is always the way of the upgrade.  This time around, if the projected Jan release is "true" this release is really late in the cycle.  Pascal was released on 5/31 and it will be 7 months after if, and when the TI gets released.  Perhaps a 5 month lifecycle or slightly more when the "1180" gets released.  As with most rumors...take with a grain of salt:
     
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    Well said, this has been the way back even back in the late 1990s and early 2000s, I waited for the Ultra/Ti releases and got a new gfx card every year for a while (not to mention other gear). I bought 2 1080 FTW cards but I am not worried about having the latest and greatest as much anymore since my last cards were GTX 480s.... They handled everything I threw at them until the Division. Got the dreaded you gfx cards do not meet minimum requirement message... It was time to upgrade.. lol


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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Thursday, January 05, 2017 1:17 PM (permalink)
    No 1080 Ti during the CES keynote from Nvidia.

    Maybe later this year if Vega puts the cramp on the 1070/1080?
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:42 PM (permalink)
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    I wouldn't say Nvidia doesn't have reason to release the 1080 Ti until AMD makes a move.  Keep in mind that the 980 Ti released ahead of the Fury X.  Nvidia dictated the price range for that kind of performance, as AMD priced the Fury X based on its performance versus the 980 Ti.

    Not true, in this case. Vega is hyped to provide some innovation to which Nvidia will undoubtedly want to react. That reaction will most likely be the 1080Ti. If they release it before Vega I'm sure the strategy is to milk the morons for all they're worth before potential market share loss drops anchor in their port. Then on to the next phase, which would be to dislodge AMD from their new perch.
     
    I believe that AMD will take the fight to Nvidia with their new flagship cards. Where I believe they will falter is with Zen. I hope I'm wrong in the latter because Intel has also monopolized their market setting ridiculous prices on CPU's. Market share dominance is never good for the average consumer. I would gladly buy AMD products as I have in the past, provided they do offer competitive performance to their rivals. But as it stands I'd rather pay a premium for an Intel chip with a 95W TDP over an AMD chip with a 125W TDP for the same or lesser performance. My 6700K has a max TDP of 95W. Christ, some AMD chips IDLE at this wattage.
     
    Anyway, many don't like AMD which is fine. But remember one thing. They regain market share on both fronts and you won't be paying $1000 for a VGA or CPU, anymore. Those prices may be halved. Does this not sound agreeable???
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:05 PM (permalink)
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    I wouldn't say Nvidia doesn't have reason to release the 1080 Ti until AMD makes a move.  Keep in mind that the 980 Ti released ahead of the Fury X.  Nvidia dictated the price range for that kind of performance, as AMD priced the Fury X based on its performance versus the 980 Ti.

     
    Anyway, many don't like AMD which is fine. But remember one thing. They regain market share on both fronts and you won't be paying $1000 for a VGA or CPU, anymore. Those prices may be halved. Does this not sound agreeable???




    Or they could work their anti-trust magic and both charge $1000 for video cards. It worked for them in 2006... and again in 2008...
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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Friday, January 06, 2017 3:20 AM (permalink)
    In the past, twice in fact, AMD's flagship was aiming at Titan performance at a cheaper price, but nVidia would preempt the move at the last minute (usually a month ahead) to fill the gap themselves.  Such a move always made the x80 card cheaper to let the x80 ti card take the original debut price of x80.

    But, this time is different because we are getting early rumors and reports and claims than Vega 10 is closer to GTX1080 than Titan-X Pascal.  So on one hand, there wouldn't be a reason to bring a GTX1080 Ti since their Titan isn't being challenged.  But, if AMD played their cards right (no pun intended) and priced Vega 10 cheaper, then not only does nVidia react with a price drop on GTX1080, they have to debut something faster to preserve the premium expected for Titan-X Pascal to remain at $1200.  So maybe a GTX1080 Ti would come, but around $800-1000.

    I think people misunderstand the TFLOPS compute values, that because Vega 10 is supposedly at 12.5 versus a full 3840-CUDA GP100 at just 12.0, then it would imply that Vega 10 is faster than anything nVidia has available for gaming-- i think that isn't proper logic.  

    Vega 10 is said to be 40% faster than Fiji, which if it has the same 4096-sp, then the clock would have to be up at 1500MHz-- very possible for 14nm, sure, but it would need >60% to chase after GP102.

    I don't believe AMD's flagship GPU is going after nVidia's flagship GPU this time, rather the 2nd tier, which means a x80 Ti product will be expensive and not in the same ranges we've seen 780 Ti and 980 Ti at.  That also means there isn't a hurry to debut it since AMD isn't going after nVidia's best.

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    Re: When can we buy the 1080 Ti? Friday, January 06, 2017 3:39 AM (permalink)
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    In the past, twice in fact, AMD's flagship was aiming at Titan performance at a cheaper price, but nVidia would preempt the move at the last minute (usually a month ahead) to fill the gap themselves.  Such a move always made the x80 card cheaper to let the x80 ti card take the original debut price of x80.

    But, this time is different because we are getting early rumors and reports and claims than Vega 10 is closer to GTX1080 than Titan-X Pascal.  So on one hand, there wouldn't be a reason to bring a GTX1080 Ti since their Titan isn't being challenged.  But, if AMD played their cards right (no pun intended) and priced Vega 10 cheaper, then not only does nVidia react with a price drop on GTX1080, they have to debut something faster to preserve the premium expected for Titan-X Pascal to remain at $1200.  So maybe a GTX1080 Ti would come, but around $800-1000.

    I think people misunderstand the TFLOPS compute values, that because Vega 10 is supposedly at 12.5 versus a full 3840-CUDA GP100 at just 12.0, then it would imply that Vega 10 is faster than anything nVidia has available for gaming-- i think that isn't proper logic.  

    Vega 10 is said to be 40% faster than Fiji, which if it has the same 4096-sp, then the clock would have to be up at 1500MHz-- very possible for 14nm, sure, but it would need >60% to chase after GP102.

    I don't believe AMD's flagship GPU is going after nVidia's flagship GPU this time, rather the 2nd tier, which means a x80 Ti product will be expensive and not in the same ranges we've seen 780 Ti and 980 Ti at.  That also means there isn't a hurry to debut it since AMD isn't going after nVidia's best.




    I agree with this, which is somewhat regrettable since many, like myself, are unwilling to pay the money for a Titan X and Vega is the first real chance for that price to come down. It is also possible the 12.5 TFLOPS model uses binned cores, which it undoubtedly does, which means this is what we would see from the full chip going as fast as it can, using as little power to achieve said speed. If that is the case, the consumer cards are going to be more down to Earth for a current gen GPU, which is basically what this is since AMD never released a GPU that exceeded their previous generation of cards in every aspect. So, even though 12.5 TFLOPS is impressive and not to far fetched for what the current generation is achieving, it is likely not indicative of all cards while GTX 1080s 8 TFLOPS is likely a more indicative speed for the consumer models.
     
    EDIT: I forgot to mention the size of the die on Vega. The amount of silicon in ONE GPU is insane. The die on one Vega chip is over 500 mm2 alone, that is just the GPU not including the memory. The original consumer Pascal die is just over half the size and is the GP 104 core used in the GTX 1080 and GTX 1070. If Vega competes with the 1080 with almost twice the silicon in the core alone, the price will be high. For comparison, GP 102 die is 471 mm2 and GP 104 die is 314 mm2. I would rather see the Vega 10 chip compete with Titan X since that uses the larger GP 102 core that is still smaller than the Vega core, while it competes with GP 104 which is far smaller. I don't expect to see Titan prices drop as a result of this until closer to the launch of Nvidia's Volta GPUs since that will exceed current gen GPUs more easily than a current gen GPU being called next gen because it took an extra year to make it equal to a GPU that came out before it.
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