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Saturday, December 06, 2014 1:07 PM (permalink)
The game has a great cinematic beginning, and the graphics seem top notch; actually the first game to push my 680 SLi rig to the limit.
 
However... and this is big...
 
The game mechanics are horrible, and a horrible console port at that. In typical EA fashion they try so hard to be different, and unique that the befuddle any sort of intuitive UI to be something of a cluster (Deleted for Foul Language). Why am I spending five minutes searching around for how to replace my shield? Well... because EA made it THAT "interesting". I don't need some flashy UI to dazzle me with "who done it" type secrecy. It's ridiculous, and down right stupid!
 
Furthermore, the combat mechanics are hack and slash, and they aren't good at making that work either; it was a half attempt at combining Diablow, w/DAO and it just doesn't work. Not to mention there's no key-binding, so you're stuck with their "way to play", and the camera in "tactical mode" only zooms out half the distance as the original game so 9 out of 10 times you can't visualize your entire party. Also, tactical mode doesn't seem to hold my player characters actions in queue... meaning, if you've selected a basic attack, that character will attack ONCE, then he/she waits for another action to be selected...ridiculous... so you sit there in a battle, constantly pausing, doing a "round robin" trying to time your pause to select each character's next attack.
 
Overall... 5 out of 10 since I bought a PC game and got a console port with poor controls.
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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Saturday, December 06, 2014 3:35 PM (permalink)
    I havent played the new Dragon Age but it doesnt surprise me. Both of the previous games had serious mechanics issues.

     
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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Saturday, December 06, 2014 9:21 PM (permalink)
    well the only issue I have is a few minor bugs, nothing game breaking if you save a lot, controls take a little getting used to but similar to the past games, the camera is a little wonky, and most people don't know to hit F or is it E for fast loot and try to click on the loot. Been loving the game on my keyboard and mouse no major issues besides the camera. Game heats up my titan pretty good hehehe, more so than BF4. When all else fails if a game does not offer custom key bindings, its time you get a better keyboard that you program to do it since the game does not. I have over 160hrs in, and have been loving it. This and the new wolfenstien game are probably the best to come out this year, esp in terms of playtime vs your money.

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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Saturday, December 06, 2014 10:47 PM (permalink)
    Oh... ya mean like a nice mechanical keyboard that I'm using to type on?
     
    I shouldn't have to jury rig my keyboard and mouse in order to make a supposed "polished" game play correctly. But I get what you're saying...
     
    I'll just leave the game in my queue until EA decides to update and put a little more thought into porting horrible controls.

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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Saturday, December 06, 2014 11:19 PM (permalink)
    I agree with the complaints to an extent, but they haven't stopped me from playing the game at all. It's a beautiful game and a lot of fun to play. Bioware (EA doesn't update games...) has stated on their official forums they are listening to all complaints and implementing fixes in the weeks to come. The UI can be a little clunky and the controls aren't optimal, but I'm not put off by either one so much that I'm forgoing the awesome storytelling . The banter in this game is hilarious as always as well.
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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:43 AM (permalink)
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    The game has a great cinematic beginning, and the graphics seem top notch; actually the first game to push my 680 SLi rig to the limit.
     
    However... and this is big...
     
    The game mechanics are horrible, and a horrible console port at that. In typical EA fashion they try so hard to be different, and unique that the befuddle any sort of intuitive UI to be something of a cluster (Deleted / Quoting Foul Language). Why am I spending five minutes searching around for how to replace my shield? Well... because EA made it THAT "interesting". I don't need some flashy UI to dazzle me with "who done it" type secrecy. It's ridiculous, and down right stupid!
     
    Furthermore, the combat mechanics are hack and slash, and they aren't good at making that work either; it was a half attempt at combining Diablow, w/DAO and it just doesn't work. Not to mention there's no key-binding, so you're stuck with their "way to play", and the camera in "tactical mode" only zooms out half the distance as the original game so 9 out of 10 times you can't visualize your entire party. Also, tactical mode doesn't seem to hold my player characters actions in queue... meaning, if you've selected a basic attack, that character will attack ONCE, then he/she waits for another action to be selected...ridiculous... so you sit there in a battle, constantly pausing, doing a "round robin" trying to time your pause to select each character's next attack.
     
    Overall... 5 out of 10 since I bought a PC game and got a console port with poor controls.




    I agree, the game is great looking. I also agree with the mechanics/camera... terrible. BUT!!! you forget that they brought back DA:Origins gameplay... what everyone was looking forward too! If you can get around that(which isn't THAT bad), you will enjoy the game. EA has screwed up... but to call this an EA flop is incorrect in my opinion. 
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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:58 AM (permalink)
    overall, i enjoyed the game but there's something missing or lacking in gameplay like how to turn off the run mode because i would like to walk around instead of always on the run mode.  And i agree most of the OP's complaint and EA should fix this by making some game updates.


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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Sunday, December 07, 2014 1:38 PM (permalink)
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    Oh... ya mean like a nice mechanical keyboard that I'm using to type on?
     
    I shouldn't have to jury rig my keyboard and mouse in order to make a supposed "polished" game play correctly. But I get what you're saying...
     
    I'll just leave the game in my queue until EA decides to update and put a little more thought into porting horrible controls.


    yes you should not have to, I have not setup any special macro hot key s on mine to play it. Takes a few hours getting used to, use the F key to loot, and getting used to the camera when it wonks out when you go into the micro manage mode.... if macros are too much to ask you to do for a keyboard you paid for to do it, and you cannot get used to the normal interface, the only one you can blame is yourself.

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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:29 PM (permalink)
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    Oh... ya mean like a nice mechanical keyboard that I'm using to type on?
     
    I shouldn't have to jury rig my keyboard and mouse in order to make a supposed "polished" game play correctly. But I get what you're saying...
     
    I'll just leave the game in my queue until EA decides to update and put a little more thought into porting horrible controls.


    yes you should not have to, I have not setup any special macro hot key s on mine to play it. Takes a few hours getting used to, use the F key to loot, and getting used to the camera when it wonks out when you go into the micro manage mode.... if macros are too much to ask you to do for a keyboard you paid for to do it, and you cannot get used to the normal interface, the only one you can blame is yourself.


    (only because I didn't see a *rolling eyes* smiley) It's 2014, buying a "video game" that doesn't allow me to bind keys appropriately is like buying a car with a carburetor.
     
    *The real issue... is the mouse wheel, I zoom out to micro manage, then need to zoom in to appropriately click on an enemy that's behind an object, and the game resumes the real-time action and takes me out of strategy mode. That's not just bizarre, it's dumb... so I'll play nice and say... you're the Darwin Award winner of the day.

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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Sunday, December 07, 2014 3:01 PM (permalink)
    Yes but your asking a company to tailor to a small amount of people that don't like what they did, is it right they did it?k No, but production time is production time...  But we live in a age where games are mostly no longer made on the pc, they are made for the mid grade console and ported out... nothing we can do to stop that honestly because it boils down to money.... Apparently I am winning the Darwin race because I adapted and overcame the short comings of the no key binding where your still struggling with it and raging over it.... Not saying your wrong, they could had taken the extra resources/staff that got dumped into multiplayer put them on singleplayer to polish the game while the devs focused on the small things like keybinding, bugs, and making a better single player game. You do have the tech available to you though, to make your life easier and you are refusing to utilize it to give yourself a better gaming experience. In that aspect of it you have no one to blame but yourself.
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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Sunday, December 07, 2014 9:05 PM (permalink)
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    Yes but your asking a company to tailor to a small amount of people that don't like what they did, is it right they did it?k No, but production time is production time...  But we live in a age where games are mostly no longer made on the pc, they are made for the mid grade console and ported out... nothing we can do to stop that honestly because it boils down to money.... Apparently I am winning the Darwin race because I adapted and overcame the short comings of the no key binding where your still struggling with it and raging over it.... Not saying your wrong, they could had taken the extra resources/staff that got dumped into multiplayer put them on singleplayer to polish the game while the devs focused on the small things like keybinding, bugs, and making a better single player game. You do have the tech available to you though, to make your life easier and you are refusing to utilize it to give yourself a better gaming experience. In that aspect of it you have no one to blame but yourself.


    Ok so you've managed to state that you completely disagree...good for you. I don't quite think I'm "raging" lol, I stated that I think its horrible design, and will put it on the shelf hoping for a fix; other than stating it's stupid, and just dumb, no rage. I'm just a consumer that's more aware, and decides to voice my concerns, as well as using my dollar NOT to support products that are sub-par; no add content for me until fixed.
     
    Then again, you're a guy who still drives around in a car with a live rear axle... if you remove the steering wheel, it will go faster in a straight line bro, less weight. LMAO (All muscle no brains)
     
    Thanks for playing.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Thursday, December 11, 2014 1:19 PM (permalink)
    I'm just curious why you can't customize your key bindings, when that's the very first thing I did after installing the game. Weird, huh?

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    Re: Dragon Age: Irritation Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:10 PM (permalink)
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    The game mechanics are horrible, and a horrible console port at that. In typical EA fashion they try so hard to be different, and unique that the befuddle any sort of intuitive UI to be something of a cluster (Deleted for Foul Language). Why am I spending five minutes searching around for how to replace my shield? Well... because EA made it THAT "interesting". I don't need some flashy UI to dazzle me with "who done it" type secrecy. It's ridiculous, and down right stupid!

     
    The PC version has a completely different UI than the console version, so it's not a console port in that regard.  You are talking about the inventory.  You don't know how to replace your shield?  There are several ways to do this:
     
    1. Double click the shield you want to use, just like in every other RPG.
    2. Drag and drop the new shield over the currently equipped shield, just like in every other RPG.
    3. Drag and drop the currently equipped shield to the inventory section, and then drag and drop the new shield to the shield slot, just like in every other RPG.
    4. Right click the equipped shield, click "Unequip", then right click the new shield and click "Equip", just like in nearly every other RPG. 
    Any one of these works.  This is all done in traditional fashion.  The same exact way as almost every other RPG.  How anyone can be confused by this is just astounding.
     
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    Furthermore, the combat mechanics are hack and slash, and they aren't good at making that work either; it was a half attempt at combining Diablow, w/DAO and it just doesn't work. Not to mention there's no key-binding, so you're stuck with their "way to play", and the camera in "tactical mode" only zooms out half the distance as the original game so 9 out of 10 times you can't visualize your entire party. Also, tactical mode doesn't seem to hold my player characters actions in queue... meaning, if you've selected a basic attack, that character will attack ONCE, then he/she waits for another action to be selected...ridiculous... so you sit there in a battle, constantly pausing, doing a "round robin" trying to time your pause to select each character's next attack.



    Hack and slash is only used when not in tactical camera.  The tactical camera however works very well overall, with the only problem being the inability to zoom out more like you said (they will most likely fix this in the next patch).  
     
    There's no key binding?  Pause and go to Options and then look at the Key Bindings section.  There is an impressive amount of key binding configuration, including separate bindings for regular gameplay and the tactical camera.  Like a true PC game.  It's also full of PC exclusive UI options which is great.
     
    Also you are simply wrong about the queue.  In tactical camera, if you set them to basic attack, they keep doing it, regardless of their positioning.  You don't have to go back and "update" them.  I wonder what you are doing wrong?  They also automatically use their abilities in combat, although this points toward a real problem which you failed to address: the vastly inferior AI behavior customization. 
     
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    overall, i enjoyed the game but there's something missing or lacking in gameplay like how to turn off the run mode because i would like to walk around instead of always on the run mode.  And i agree most of the OP's complaint and EA should fix this by making some game updates.


     
    For sure, this is an actual problem with the game.  Bioware confirmed that they will fix this in an upcoming patch.  It's not EA who fixes these things by the way.  Bioware has shown to be more receptive to user feedback than most other studios, it's actually surprising.  Walk button confirmed, they acknowledged other issues like tactical camera zoom which should hopefully be fixed.
     
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    I havent played the new Dragon Age but it doesnt surprise me. Both of the previous games had serious mechanics issues.


     
    What mechanic issues in Dragon Age: Origins?  There are very few, if any.  I think you just don't like pause and play tactical combat.  But people have to realize if a game's mechanics don't play into your personal preference, that doesn't mean there are serious issues.  I hate hack and slash, but I wouldn't say hack and slash games have serious mechanical issues because of that.
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