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Monday, July 07, 2014 11:34 AM (permalink)

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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 12:38 AM (permalink)
    I dug up the raw ATC recording, too bad they're not speaking English. Would have been interesting understanding what they said.
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 12:58 AM (permalink)
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    I dug up the raw ATC recording, too bad they're not speaking English. Would have been interesting understanding what they said.


    They probably spoke quite a few curse words in Russian

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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 1:49 PM (permalink)
    Near-miss eh?

    How's the wreckage?

    as Carlin before me, I can't stand the terminology "near-miss." If they nearly miss, they still hit each other. That's a near collision.


     
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 3:34 PM (permalink)
    I just saw the ground track data and the guy did three runway incursions during his taxi. He must not know that airport at all.
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 5:32 PM (permalink)
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    Near-miss eh?

    How's the wreckage?

    as Carlin before me, I can't stand the terminology "near-miss." If they nearly miss, they still hit each other. That's a near collision.


    "Near miss" is the terminology. It means that they missed, but nearly didn't. It's a combination of "miss" and "nearly [collided]".

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_miss_(safety)

    If you want it to mean something else, you need to change the aviation dictionary and millions of documents which reference that combination of words.
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 5:48 PM (permalink)
    Anyway, let's hope there are lessons learned and better measures are taken to prevent these types of incidents.

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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 6:08 PM (permalink)
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    Anyway, let's hope there are lessons learned and better measures are taken to prevent these types of incidents.


    It's pure negligence on the part of the plane crossing the runway. They are supposed to be communicating with the airport ground and air traffic control and have all the taxiway and runway numbers and diagrams in the cockpit on paper or on their glass cockpit. You can't prevent negligence.

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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 6:15 PM (permalink)
    Isn't that why people work at the airport? To clear runways? Grant permission to land? etc. etc.
     
    Good job to the pilots for this NEAR MISS.

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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 7:24 PM (permalink)
    Am i the only one that thinks its time for an overhaul of the aviation system?  This kind of stuff is happening way too often.  maybe its time to let computers do more of the work and start removing more and more of the human element from flight.
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 7:42 PM (permalink)
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    Am i the only one that thinks its time for an overhaul of the aviation system?  This kind of stuff is happening way too often.  maybe its time to let computers do more of the work and start removing more and more of the human element from flight.


    The human element is very much already removed in flight for these commercial aircraft. Essentially, all the pilots do in air is talk with their local communications center to get direction and altitude instructions and then turn some dials or push some buttons. The planes fly themselves and all the pilots usually have to do (with systems operating normally and when not training) is taxi on the ground, takeoff, and land the plane. With the instrument landing system, the plane almost lands itself and the pilots only need to take manual control of the plane for the very last seconds of the flight.
    If these pilots are unable to follow the directions of the airport ground or air traffic control or are unable to read the airport diagrams provided to them or find the correct communications frequencies, it's entirely negligence on their part. Train those pilots more, drop their rank, or find some new pilots to replace them.
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 7:53 PM (permalink)
    moose517
    maybe its time to let computers do more of the work and start removing more and more of the human element from flight.


    Sorry, couldn't resist
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Monday, July 07, 2014 8:01 PM (permalink)
    Very close call, I had seen it on the news. I'm glad the incoming pilot reacted quickly and avoided a disaster.
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Tuesday, July 08, 2014 10:38 AM (permalink)
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    Am i the only one that thinks its time for an overhaul of the aviation system?  This kind of stuff is happening way too often.  maybe its time to let computers do more of the work and start removing more and more of the human element from flight.


    The human element is very much already removed in flight for these commercial aircraft. Essentially, all the pilots do in air is talk with their local communications center to get direction and altitude instructions and then turn some dials or push some buttons. The planes fly themselves and all the pilots usually have to do (with systems operating normally and when not training) is taxi on the ground, takeoff, and land the plane. With the instrument landing system, the plane almost lands itself and the pilots only need to take manual control of the plane for the very last seconds of the flight.
    If these pilots are unable to follow the directions of the airport ground or air traffic control or are unable to read the airport diagrams provided to them or find the correct communications frequencies, it's entirely negligence on their part. Train those pilots more, drop their rank, or find some new pilots to replace them.

    The problem that comes into play when you have the human element interfacing a lot of computerized automation is that they become so heavily reliant upon it they turn stupid and don't think for themselves. I'd rather have more human element in play that is properly trained, not less.
     
    The cockpit crew on that Airbus were so stupid they neither requested permission to enter an active runway three times in a row nor obeyed the taxi signage where hold points are clearly marked on both the pavement and the signs. Never mind they're probably just blindly taxing around without the current airport diagram maps in the cockpit.
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:55 PM (permalink)
    He could have still landed no problem.
     
    However, I must say that looks to be some pretty strong crosswinds.

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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Tuesday, July 08, 2014 3:09 PM (permalink)
    Could you imagine sitting in the plane on the runway???  Especially on the right side of the plane.  The could see everything.  If you are on the left side or in the plane in the sky, you really could not see, unless the pilots.  Bet there were some people feeling verrrry uneasy!

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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Tuesday, July 08, 2014 3:42 PM (permalink)
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    He could have still landed no problem.

    Check the ground track out and the full video. He wandered onto the active runway 3 separate times. The 767 pulled up at 275 feet.
     

     
     
     
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:38 AM (permalink)
    Do a barrel roll!


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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:42 AM (permalink)
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    Am i the only one that thinks its time for an overhaul of the aviation system?  This kind of stuff is happening way too often.  maybe its time to let computers do more of the work and start removing more and more of the human element from flight.


    Have you not seen Die Hard 2? I will love the day it's fully run by computers, so people like anonymous can take control and idk, crash several hundred planes, sounds great, don't you? No thanks. I'll take human controlability over hackable computer systems anyday.

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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Wednesday, July 09, 2014 7:57 AM (permalink)
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    Re: Barcelona airport near-miss between planes caught on video Wednesday, July 09, 2014 3:30 PM (permalink)
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    Am i the only one that thinks its time for an overhaul of the aviation system?  This kind of stuff is happening way too often.  maybe its time to let computers do more of the work and start removing more and more of the human element from flight.


    The human element is very much already removed in flight for these commercial aircraft. Essentially, all the pilots do in air is talk with their local communications center to get direction and altitude instructions and then turn some dials or push some buttons. The planes fly themselves and all the pilots usually have to do (with systems operating normally and when not training) is taxi on the ground, takeoff, and land the plane. With the instrument landing system, the plane almost lands itself and the pilots only need to take manual control of the plane for the very last seconds of the flight.
    If these pilots are unable to follow the directions of the airport ground or air traffic control or are unable to read the airport diagrams provided to them or find the correct communications frequencies, it's entirely negligence on their part. Train those pilots more, drop their rank, or find some new pilots to replace them.

    The problem that comes into play when you have the human element interfacing a lot of computerized automation is that they become so heavily reliant upon it they turn stupid and don't think for themselves. I'd rather have more human element in play that is properly trained, not less.
     
    The cockpit crew on that Airbus were so stupid they neither requested permission to enter an active runway three times in a row nor obeyed the taxi signage where hold points are clearly marked on both the pavement and the signs. Never mind they're probably just blindly taxing around without the current airport diagram maps in the cockpit.


    Brad, I agree.

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