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I had ran SLI before in slots 1 and 3 when I had MSI Cyclone GTX 460s. When I ran it that way the top card ran much much hotter than the lower card. I moved the second card down to 5th slot and the temps were much better. I ran it that way while I had them because the temp of the top card was way to high with them in slots 1 and 3. I currently have a Gigabyte GTX 670, the one with three fans. I am picking up a second one this week. I am going to test them in slots 1 and 3 as well as in slots 1 and 5 but I wanted some opinions from you guys here. I know if I run them in slots 1 and 5 the lower card will be running at 8x. I don't believe that is a big deal, it wasn't with the 460s, but since these cards are much more powerful than the GTX460 I thought the 8x might hurt it more. My current card runs extremely cool. Barely breaks 60c even while running Heaven or 3dmark and that is with it overclocked to 1202 mhz max boost. I hope the second card runs as cool.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 6:07 PM
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 6:58 PM
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That's what I figured. Thanks for the link. I will test it both ways running Heaven and 3dmark11 benchmarks to monitor temps and performance. I know Furmark is not a real world test for temps but I will give that a shot as well. If the temps are significantly lower using slots 1 and 5 and the performance difference is really only 1-3% then that is what I will do. When I had the Cyclone 460s the top card was over 20c hotter while running Furmark with them in slots 1 and 3. With them in slots 1 and 5 the top card was only a few degrees warmer. Which is normal of course because it is the primary card. The Gigabyte cooler is much better than the Cyclone's so I am curious to see the results. They are also much more powerful but from what I read in the link it still won't effect performance much at 8x.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:41 PM
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☼ Best Answerby beekermartin Saturday, October 26, 2013 5:43 AM
beekermartin That's what I figured. Thanks for the link. I will test it both ways running Heaven and 3dmark11 benchmarks to monitor temps and performance. I know Furmark is not a real world test for temps but I will give that a shot as well. If the temps are significantly lower using slots 1 and 5 and the performance difference is really only 1-3% then that is what I will do. When I had the Cyclone 460s the top card was over 20c hotter while running Furmark with them in slots 1 and 3. With them in slots 1 and 5 the top card was only a few degrees warmer. Which is normal of course because it is the primary card. The Gigabyte cooler is much better than the Cyclone's so I am curious to see the results. They are also much more powerful but from what I read in the link it still won't effect performance much at 8x.
I'm running TITANS in SLI with as Asus Phoebus in the middle PCIe x16 slot. Our processors really can't push the GPU hard enough that x8@2.0 really makes that much difference. My 3DMark and Heaven scores were within a percentage point or so regardless of which slot I had them in.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:00 AM
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beekermartin That's what I figured. Thanks for the link. I will test it both ways running Heaven and 3dmark11 benchmarks to monitor temps and performance. I know Furmark is not a real world test for temps but I will give that a shot as well. If the temps are significantly lower using slots 1 and 5 and the performance difference is really only 1-3% then that is what I will do. When I had the Cyclone 460s the top card was over 20c hotter while running Furmark with them in slots 1 and 3. With them in slots 1 and 5 the top card was only a few degrees warmer. Which is normal of course because it is the primary card. The Gigabyte cooler is much better than the Cyclone's so I am curious to see the results. They are also much more powerful but from what I read in the link it still won't effect performance much at 8x.
I'm running TITANS in SLI with as Asus Phoebus in the middle PCIe x16 slot. Our processors really can't push the GPU hard enough that x8@2.0 really makes that much difference. My 3DMark and Heaven scores were within a percentage point or so regardless of which slot I had them in.
Are you running two Titan cards in quad SLI? If so and you didn't notice a difference running them in slots 1 and 5 at 16x/8x then I am sure I won't with two GTX 670s.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:12 AM
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...and if you happen to see a little bit higher temps than you would like try placing a fan inside your chassis aimed at the cards for additional cooling.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:18 AM
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beekermartin That's what I figured. Thanks for the link. I will test it both ways running Heaven and 3dmark11 benchmarks to monitor temps and performance. I know Furmark is not a real world test for temps but I will give that a shot as well. If the temps are significantly lower using slots 1 and 5 and the performance difference is really only 1-3% then that is what I will do. When I had the Cyclone 460s the top card was over 20c hotter while running Furmark with them in slots 1 and 3. With them in slots 1 and 5 the top card was only a few degrees warmer. Which is normal of course because it is the primary card. The Gigabyte cooler is much better than the Cyclone's so I am curious to see the results. They are also much more powerful but from what I read in the link it still won't effect performance much at 8x.
I'm running TITANS in SLI with as Asus Phoebus in the middle PCIe x16 slot. Our processors really can't push the GPU hard enough that x8@2.0 really makes that much difference. My 3DMark and Heaven scores were within a percentage point or so regardless of which slot I had them in.
Are you running two Titan cards in quad SLI? If so and you didn't notice a difference running them in slots 1 and 5 at 16x/8x then I am sure I won't with two GTX 670s.
Quad? No, the TITAN is a single GPU card. However, it isn't that far off from running 3-Way SLI with GTX 670's. But yes, what I was getting at was even with two more powerful GPU's the performance drop is very small. If we were running a newer platform that could push the GPU's harder, then both GPUs at x16 2.0 or x8 3.0 would make more of a difference.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:02 PM
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I'm sorry. I thought the Titan was dual GPU card like the 690. I realize now it is not. My second 670 should arrive today. My current card runs stable at 1202 max boost. I will install the new card alone first to see if it will also run stable at the same speed for the core and memory. Hopefully it does. Then I can pop them both in test them in slots 1/3 and 1/5. I imagine I will end up running them in slots 1/5 for better temps.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 6:17 PM
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Just so you know...the core clock speeds of each card will probably boost to different speeds. This is perfectly normal. When running at stock, one of my cards runs at 1202, the other at 1176. They perform great in SLI that way. Enjoy...
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:38 PM
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My current card doesn't boost to 1202 at stock speeds. I have to overclock it to get that high. How do I overclock two cards differently? I assumed that I would have to set my overclock to run at the lowest of the two cards. So if my current card overclocks to 1202 and my new card can do 1250 then I would set the overclock to 1202 so I don't pass that level on either card. If my new card will only do 1150 then I will have to lower my overclock to that level. I could be wrong of course.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:48 PM
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beekermartin My current card doesn't boost to 1202 at stock speeds. I have to overclock it to get that high. How do I overclock two cards differently? I assumed that I would have to set my overclock to run at the lowest of the two cards. So if my current card overclocks to 1202 and my new card can do 1250 then I would set the overclock to 1202 so I don't pass that level on either card. If my new card will only do 1150 then I will have to lower my overclock to that level. I could be wrong of course. 
Once both cards are installed and SLI is enabled, just sync them with PrecisionX or MSI AB, whichever you use. That way, whatever increase you make to the core or memory clock will apply to both cards. Even though they may not boost to the speeds, it doesn't matter. Example: One of my cards boosts to 1202, the other 1176. If I apply a 26MHz core (GPU offset) increase, I'd have card one boosting to 1228, and card two boosting to 1202. This is fine. The memory clocks will still sync to the same speed which is what you want.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:56 PM
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So I guess what I need to find out is what both my cards kepler boost is. I imagine they will be different. Once I know that and what the max stable clock is of both cards I will then set the GPU offset to an amount that doesn't allow either card to pass its max stable level.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:54 PM
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beekermartin So I guess what I need to find out is what both my cards kepler boost is. I imagine they will be different. Once I know that and what the max stable clock is of both cards I will then set the GPU offset to an amount that doesn't allow either card to pass its max stable level.
You can go through all that if you want, but as I've tried to explain, it's not necessary. The core clock speeds can be different and it doesn't matter. What I meant in an earlier post about "syncing" is this. There's a setting right on the PrecX interface called "Sync". It has a box next to it for a checkmark (on/off). When you put a check in the box (on) to sync all the same GPU's, it just makes it easier to OC. So if you have 2 or more GPU's in SLI, and now you want to add say +13Mhz gpu offset, you only have to do it once and it will be applied to all the SLI'd cards. Or if you increase the power target, with sync on, it applies to all SLI'd cards, etc... So all you're have to do to test for a stable OC is by testing with SLI enabled as a whole. No need to do it individually.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Friday, October 18, 2013 8:06 AM
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I replaced my current card with the new one I received today. When I say new I mean the used one I bought off ebay! It runs at higher clocks but also at higher temps of course. I used to be at +105 core but that pushes the new card to close to 1300mhz boost. That crashes almost immediately. The prior owner told me it maxes out around 1250 mhz max boost and I would have to agree. Now in lies the issue. My old card needed +105 on the core to push it to 1202mhz. This new card can't handle that since it surpasses its @1250 mhz stability. So what do I do to insure stability knowing my original card can't handle beyond 1202 mhz and my new card can't handle above 1250 mhz. BTW, the new/used card I received is @10c higher than my current card while running the same benchmarks.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Friday, October 18, 2013 8:24 AM
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So the new card I received runs at slightly higher boost clocks, stable @1250 mhz versus 1202 max of current card, but the temps are @10 degrees hotter. The problem is that if I set the GPU clock to +105 mhz, which is what my original card needs to hit 1202 mhz, it will push my new card beyond 1250 mhz and it will crash immediately. So what do I do to max both cards clocks to their highest stable overclock. I can't just plug in +105 core, like for my original card, since my new/second card can't handle that since it pushes it past 1250mhz and is unstable. I was able to run with the new card alone at @1240 mhz at +35mhz core and it was stable. Once it breaks 1250 it crashes.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Friday, October 18, 2013 8:33 AM
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This new card does run at a slightly higher max boost but its temps are much higher. I am thinking about removing the cooler and reapplying the thermal paste. My current card runs much cooler. Not only under load but also at idle.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Friday, October 18, 2013 8:55 AM
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beekermartin So the new card I received runs at slightly higher boost clocks, stable @1250 mhz versus 1202 max of current card, but the temps are @10 degrees hotter. The problem is that if I set the GPU clock to +105 mhz, which is what my original card needs to hit 1202 mhz, it will push my new card beyond 1250 mhz and it will crash immediately. So what do I do to max both cards clocks to their highest stable overclock. I can't just plug in +105 core, like for my original card, since my new/second card can't handle that since it pushes it past 1250mhz and is unstable. I was able to run with the new card alone at @1240 mhz at +35mhz core and it was stable. Once it breaks 1250 it crashes.
If you look at the Precision interface, on the left side you'll see a check box called ' SYNC'. If you uncheck this, you can set separate offsets for each GPU. This way you can have both GPU's boosting the same. While they will run fine at different clocks most folks like to have the GPU's boost to the same speed. You can save that as a profile and have it start with Windows.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Saturday, October 19, 2013 1:38 AM
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Thanks Hemi! I got it working perfectly. It takes 105 mhz clock offset to hit 1202 on my old card but only 13 on the new one. I have the memory clock set to 600. So they are both running at the same speed; core is at 1202 and the memory is at 7200. I tested them in slots 1 and 3 first. I installed the new hotter card in the top slot for a worst case scenario. While running 3dmark2011 the top card hit 78c and the lower card hit 54c. I scored 14949. I then ran Heaven and the top card hit 84c and the lower card again only hit 54c. I averaged 91 fps. I then moved the cooler running card to the first slot and installed the other card in the fifth slot. The top card hit 56c and the lower card hit 64c while running 3dmark2011. I scored 14975. While running Heaven the top card hit 58c and the lower card hit 65c. I averaged 92fps. Needless to say 16x/8x is not hurting the performance at all. The temps are much better in slots 1 and 5 so that is where they are staying! I am very impressed with the performance I am getting. Not bad for an old outdated platform!
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:58 AM
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Btw, I did replace the new cards thermal paste with AS5 before I ran the tests in my prior post. I ran Heaven again just now and the temps are lower. I hope after a few more heating/cooling cycles it gets close to my original cards temps. If it doesn't it isn't an issue but the lower the better I always say.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Saturday, October 19, 2013 6:08 AM
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I just ran 3dmark2011 with the second set to +66 core which gave it a max boost of 1254. It passed but I did see a few artifacts. I don't know if that is because the cards aren't running at the same clocks or the overclock is borderline too high. Regardless I scored 15,023! I broke 15,000! Is the general rule to run both cards at the same clocks? I don't know since I haven't ran SLI since before Kepler boost. I imagine the extremely minor boost in FPS by running one card slightly higher doesn't make a real world difference anyways but I am curious what you guys have to say.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Saturday, October 19, 2013 6:22 AM
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I just ran Heaven again at 1254 on the second card and all I gained was .1 fps. LOL I think I will leave them running at the same clocks.
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Re: Getting a second GTX 670 to run in SLI. Which slot should I run it in???
Saturday, October 19, 2013 6:03 PM
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Glad to hear you got everything running good now... As far as the matching (or not) of clock speeds, it's really more of a personal preference imo. I have tried both ways and didn't see enough of a difference to mess with setting everything up seperatley. So I just enable sync and go from there. Enjoy...
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