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My i7 2700k @ 5-5.2GHz is freaking sweet. Would I REALLY have any benefit to upgrading it, or that + the motherboard, specific chip that would make a difference? I am not sure for gaming purposes it is going to be worth my $$$.
What say you?
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Re:Realistically, i7 wise...
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:04 PM
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Gaming: Little to no benefit.
Other applications: Depends on the application, but a hex core chip will surpass it if the threads are used.
My computer finds cures for diseases and searches for aliens when I'm not gaming...what does yours do? Ryzen 1700, ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Professional, EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW3, 16GB Corsair LPX, Noctua D14, EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2, Overlord Tempest X270X Glossy, LG 34UM94 Ultrawide
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Re:Realistically, i7 wise...
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:17 PM
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It is your CPU FPO Batch number that is unique; and since we cannot decide what batch number we buy, this is why overclocking is "luck of the draw"; the average 32nm quad doesn't get that high so I'd consider that lucky-- which translates to very low chances of getting better next time. It is statistics.  What do you consider worth it? Are you expecting the same frequency from the next chip or just better performance? For instance, upcoming Haswell in socket LGA1150 is so far rumored to average 6% better than the Sandy/Ivy generation at the same clock, which means you would only need 4.7-4.9GHz to match your 2700K's performance while running 5.0-5.2GHz. Unless you are just fixated on the frequency number?
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Re:Realistically, i7 wise...
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:27 PM
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NO!!!
Unless you have cash burning a hole through your wallet.
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Re:Realistically, i7 wise...
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:29 PM
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lehpron
It is your CPU FPO Batch number that is unique; and since we cannot decide what batch number we buy, this is why overclocking is "luck of the draw"; the average 32nm quad doesn't get that high so I'd consider that lucky-- which translates to very low chances of getting better next time. It is statistics.
What do you consider worth it? Are you expecting the same frequency from the next chip or just better performance? For instance, upcoming Haswell in socket LGA1150 is so far rumored to average 6% better than the Sandy/Ivy generation at the same clock, which means you would only need 4.7-4.9GHz to match your 2700K's performance while running 5.0-5.2GHz.
Unless you are just fixated on the frequency number?
I could be wrong, but I believe he's asking about moving from his Sandy Bridge 2700K to either SB-E or Ivy. At least...that's how I took his question. I don't think he's asking about getting another SB and overclocking it.
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Re:Realistically, i7 wise...
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:40 PM
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lehpron
It is your CPU FPO Batch number that is unique; and since we cannot decide what batch number we buy, this is why overclocking is "luck of the draw"; the average 32nm quad doesn't get that high so I'd consider that lucky-- which translates to very low chances of getting better next time. It is statistics.
What do you consider worth it? Are you expecting the same frequency from the next chip or just better performance? For instance, upcoming Haswell in socket LGA1150 is so far rumored to average 6% better than the Sandy/Ivy generation at the same clock, which means you would only need 4.7-4.9GHz to match your 2700K's performance while running 5.0-5.2GHz.
Unless you are just fixated on the frequency number?
I have pretty good luck with the chips I get, but more of less it seems my processor is hardly ever taxed which makes me think it is either beastmode or that it isn't being utilized properly. Just hope architecturally it is not missing anything it should right now.
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Re:Realistically, i7 wise...
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:31 PM
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...I believe he's asking about moving from his Sandy Bridge 2700K to either SB-E or Ivy. At least...that's how I took his question. Since SB, SB-E, Ivy, Ivy-E are all from the same original architecture; at the same frequency and in lesser threaded applications (like games), they would all perform within about the same. Even the average overclock of those other processors isn't above 5.0-5.2GHz, so "luck of the draw" is still an issue. coppermine18
I have pretty good luck with the chips I get, but more of less it seems my processor is hardly ever taxed which makes me think it is either beastmode or that it isn't being utilized properly. Just hope architecturally it is not missing anything it should right now. You have it overclocked so high that you shifted the bottleneck away from the CPU to something else that holds scaling back, and usually the fault is graphics card or display resolution, fixed by getting more graphics cards or getting more display resolution. You have room to upgrade your 660 Ti's to a pair or GTX690 or 3-way Titans (or future equivalent single-GPU card, or pair of future midrange cards) and not worry about the CPU. Try not to see this as a bad thing, you've future-proofed yourself.
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Re:Realistically, i7 wise...
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:38 PM
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I messed around with the Asus Suit for a bit, that auto overclocking utility was not good for me. It would display my i5 3570K @ 4.4GHz, but every time i'd run a benchmark, it would downclock into the 1.5GHz range for the whole test... Maybe that's a unique experience, but I just resorted to the manual set-up and adjusted it in the BIOS. I've been tossing this link around a lot, but here it is again: http://www.bit-tech.net/h...6/amd-fx-8350-review/6 Your two GTX 660Ti's are pretty close in performance to a GTX 690 (That was used in that test.) Also, keep in mind, with Ivy Bridge you can use faster memory and has PCI-E 3.0. 2400MHz memory is pretty cheap and really helps with the processor... In all reviews right now, they seem to stick to 1600MHz RAM for the most part, so I can't really find a good review to show the increase in performance from the RAM other than from personal experiance when I saw my Vantage score increase by 1800 and my avg FPS go up 5-10FPS in some games.
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Re:Realistically, i7 wise...
Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:47 AM
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RainStryke
I messed around with the Asus Suit for a bit, that auto overclocking utility was not good for me. It would display my i5 3570K @ 4.4GHz, but every time i'd run a benchmark, it would downclock into the 1.5GHz range for the whole test... Maybe that's a unique experience, but I just resorted to the manual set-up and adjusted it in the BIOS.
I've been tossing this link around a lot, but here it is again:
http://www.bit-tech.net/h...6/amd-fx-8350-review/6
Your two GTX 660Ti's are pretty close in performance to a GTX 690 (That was used in that test.)
Also, keep in mind, with Ivy Bridge you can use faster memory and has PCI-E 3.0. 2400MHz memory is pretty cheap and really helps with the processor... In all reviews right now, they seem to stick to 1600MHz RAM for the most part, so I can't really find a good review to show the increase in performance from the RAM other than from personal experiance when I saw my Vantage score increase by 1800 and my avg FPS go up 5-10FPS in some games.
lehpron
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...I believe he's asking about moving from his Sandy Bridge 2700K to either SB-E or Ivy. At least...that's how I took his question. Since SB, SB-E, Ivy, Ivy-E are all from the same original architecture; at the same frequency and in lesser threaded applications (like games), they would all perform within about the same. Even the average overclock of those other processors isn't above 5.0-5.2GHz, so "luck of the draw" is still an issue.
coppermine18
I have pretty good luck with the chips I get, but more of less it seems my processor is hardly ever taxed which makes me think it is either beastmode or that it isn't being utilized properly. Just hope architecturally it is not missing anything it should right now. You have it overclocked so high that you shifted the bottleneck away from the CPU to something else that holds scaling back, and usually the fault is graphics card or display resolution, fixed by getting more graphics cards or getting more display resolution.
You have room to upgrade your 660 Ti's to a pair or GTX690 or 3-way Titans (or future equivalent single-GPU card, or pair of future midrange cards) and not worry about the CPU. Try not to see this as a bad thing, you've future-proofed yourself.
I dropped my 680 and went to 2x660's to have some fun. I did Sli 570's, 580 classified ultra's, a 590 - the 680 was pretty awesome but these little ftw+'s are some pretty powerful cards for the buck in Sli :) I am not going to upgrade my cards for sure - Crysis 3 maxed out as far as I can get still is a solid 100-140fps  which is completely useless and I need to vsync everything. At least it is smooth. I think WoW is better with slower speeds because I tried playing it today and got kind of dizzy letting the frames go to see what it could do.
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