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Monday, February 25, 2013 4:06 AM (permalink)
Basically, I am in a hard place trying to decide on graphic's cards and cant make up my mind so I am asking for some advice. I have 1k and change...
 
GTX Titan. I can only afford one and it looks like ya need two to be decent.
 
2xGTX 680 FTW 4GB. Classifieds seem like a waste of money without EV bot. I know I could soft mod the connector on, but its not worth the hassle IMO. I think this version would be ok and could probably clock to Classified stock anyways.
http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=04G-P4-3687-KR
 
2xGTX 670 FTW + 4GB. Best bang for the buck and leaves me with some pocket change. Easily hits 680 speeds from what I've seen here on the forums.
http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=04G-P4-3687-KR
 
2xMSI 7970 3GB Lightning Boost Editions. Now normally I would not go AMD but the 7970's are impressing me as of lately with the new drivers. 3GB mem makes me a little worried though, I kind of like to get the most out of my investments. These cards are not available in the U.S but I can have them shipped from the U.K. I have read reviews and they clock easily to 1250-1300mhz on the core with voltage tweaks. 
http://www.msi.com/produc...7970-Lightning-BE.html
http://www.itproportal.co...w-fastest-hd-7970-yet/
 
So I am in no rush, but would like some input on these choices. I can build my rig around these cards so that does not really matter. I game on single monitor 1920x1080, but will be upgrading the monitor as time goes on. This is my last build for the next three years. After upgrading every 8 months for the past 5 years I am done with that game and really am just looking to actually get the life out of the hardware before I retire them.  
 
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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 4:12 AM (permalink)
    You don't need 4gb of VRAM for the FTW models at 1080p. I've yet to see mine go past 1.3 gb. When you say upgrade the monitor what do you mean exactly? But I think the 670 FTW will give you the best bang for the buck at that resolution single monitor.

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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 4:18 AM (permalink)
    I think a better investment would be to spend that 1k on a GPU AND a monitor.  Because anything more than a GTX 680 is complete and utter overkill at 1920 x 1080.  Hell, even a GTX 680 is overkill for the majority of enthusiast gamers at just 1080p: the only games that will challenge it are ArmA 2 (and ArmA 3 probably will NOT from what we've seen) and Skyrim with mods such as ALL of these, but most people hardly use any mods for some odd reason.  Crysis 3 might give it a run for its money but I'm not sure.
     
    I recommend a GTX 680 4GB and a 27" 1440p IPS monitor.  A 4GB GTX 680 is sufficient to max out most games at that res, and in the future you could just pick up a second.  A good alternative to this would be dual GTX 660 Ti 3GB cards and the same monitor, but I'm not a fan of SLI.  Of course you could always just get one GTX 680 or GTX 670 and stick with your 1080p monitor, and dominate every single game.  
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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 4:24 AM (permalink)
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    You don't need 4gb of VRAM for the FTW models at 1080p. I've yet to see mine go past 1.3 gb. When you say upgrade the monitor what do you mean exactly? But I think the 670 FTW will give you the best bang for the buck at that resolution single monitor.

    Will eventually go 1440p
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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 4:28 AM (permalink)
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    I think a better investment would be to spend that 1k on a GPU AND a monitor.  Because anything more than a GTX 680 is complete and utter overkill at 1920 x 1080.  Hell, even a GTX 680 is overkill for the majority of enthusiast gamers at just 1080p: the only games that will challenge it are ArmA 2 (and ArmA 3 probably will NOT from what we've seen) and Skyrim with mods such as ALL of these, but most people hardly use any mods for some odd reason.  Crysis 3 might give it a run for its money but I'm not sure.

    I recommend a GTX 680 4GB and a 27" 1440p IPS monitor.  A 4GB GTX 680 is sufficient to max out most games at that res, and in the future you could just pick up a second.  A good alternative to this would be dual GTX 660 Ti 3GB cards and the same monitor, but I'm not a fan of SLI.  Of course you could always just get one GTX 680 or GTX 670 and stick with your 1080p monitor, and dominate every single game.  

     
    I run a hell of a lot of mods. Actually, on every game I possibly can . I killed my 690's 2gb on 1080p and it def. was not enough horsepower for my liking. 
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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 4:31 AM (permalink)
    I would choice between those 2 configuration:
    As bored says, 1 680 4gb + a 1440dpi IPS screen
    or 2x660Ti 2gb + a 1080@120hz screen
    or even better
    2x7970(about 100 bucks more than 2x660ti) + a 1080@120hz
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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 4:35 AM (permalink)
    btw atm the 7970 it's a better bang 4 bucks...
    no one can argue that!

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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 7:44 AM (permalink)
    I'd give the HD7970's a try.

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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 8:22 AM (permalink)
    I'd vote for a pair of GTX680 4GB unless you can get a pair of Sapphire's 6GB HD7970's.  For a review, one by Tom's Hardware.  At some point in the next three years, 4k will be affordable and you'll want something to withstand the resolution and not loose too many frame rates.  Quad 1080p screens = one 2160p display in terms of total pixel area.
     
    You can expect performance in the 40's with today's games at around 4k resolution with a pair of hardware like GTX680/HD7970.
     
    But if you aren't in a hurry, then I'd recommend waiting for AMD's upcoming "Malta", in case it affects pricing and it doesn't hurt to save a few bucks.
     
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    You don't need 4gb of VRAM for the FTW models at 1080p. I've yet to see mine go past 1.3 gb.
    Careful, games not even three years old didn't need 600MB on 1080p-- it is the game that decides Vram need, not resolution.  Thesedays games can reach and breach 2GB even at 1080p, and since time doesn't stop here, more Vram is just future-proof for the timespan that his next upgrade is intended for.  

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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 12:48 AM (permalink)
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    I killed my 690's 2gb on 1080p and it def. was not enough horsepower for my liking. 

     
    lol playing what?  I would guess it was one of the games I listed.  If you're a hardcore Day Z fan, then you should overclock that CPU and get a pair of GTX 670 4GB, GTX 680 4GB, or 7970 GHz edition cards.  


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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 1:16 PM (permalink)
    MSI 7970's get my vote.

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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 1:27 PM (permalink)
    No doubt in my mind for in general... A pair of 670's @4Gb or the 7970's.
     
    It is funny how folks still think 2Gb is enough Vram for a single monitor for the next three years. This is simply not accurate. 
     
    Look at it this way... You can buy a short-bed truck to drive to work, and use on the weekends... But once you load it up you find you needed more space. That is pretty much what Varam is like. Once you start to use it, you find it is usefull and needed the longbed to be efficient. 
     
    Either go all in and get 3gb and higher, or be disappointed in about a year with the single monitor running 2G...
     
    Now... If is was my money...
     
    I would be getting the 680's in 4Gb. This is only because you say this is for the next three years, these are what you will run.
     
    At my office, I am running the Gigabyte 670 and honestly think this is the best performing GPU I have ever owned for the things I use it for. It is the quietest... Runs 24/7 folding or Crunching... And 24/7 2d Surround @ 60hz (Well 59Hz actually) @ 5760/1080. I use it all day with clients while it is running in the background at full tilt... Never flinches. Now as far as gaming goes... It is OK. I cannot turn on the amount of eye-candy I would like, nor as much as I can with my gaming system that is running two 680's with 2Gb of Vram.
     
    All this means is... If it was me. The Titan would not be an option if this was the budget, with no potential plans to get another down the road... Not to mention... If history has proven anything, the next gen will replace the Titan with a card $200+ cheaper and will not be SLI capable to the Titan. And with three year warranties being the norm now. No way I would by a Titan for your situation.
     
    The 680's are worth the extra coin to those who will use the expanded specs. The 670's and 7970's are the sweet spot for performance and price. Good luck with your choice. 

     
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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Monday, February 25, 2013 1:51 PM (permalink)
    I just posted this on another thread:
    Well would you like the opinion of a guy who has 2 decades of AMD/ATI experience?
    AMD hasn't been doing so well at drivers, ever since the branding take-over. They often have released drivers that have 'broke' my game(s), and took months to fix them again. First a bit of history is necessary: I've just been so unlucky about my vid card purchase timing that when I bought my vid cards, in the last 5 years, AMD was almost a no-brainer choice. For instance when I bought my 5850's just over three years ago AMD was the only card that fully supported the new DirectX (10 or 11, can't remember which); and that was a big deal since there were great graphics improvements in the new DirectX at that time. But where am I going with this? Bear with me, it is worth the background explanation.

    Using the 5850s I noticed that some of the ATI users who had 4xxx series cards were already complaining about lack of support. They claimed AMD had quit updating drivers for them, despite AMD claims to the contrary; that their games that worked before were now broken using any of the newer drivers (I seen this on the Guru3D forums, and they recommended certain old driver versions). Then I bought two 7870s about a year ago, while having problems W/the 5850s in Skyrim; Crossfire didn't work, and even had gfx glitches without Xfire. So I moved the 5850s to my wife's new computer build (Eve). By this time, I had figured out that the best driver for my 5850s and Skyrim were CCC were 10.4! CCC was then up to 11.3 (or 11.2?), which was known to totally break Skyrim. And by the way, CCC install manager will not allow you to revert to an older driver - the only way is use Driver Sweeper including a session in Windows safe mode. However, the 11.1 drivers worked great W/my 7970s.


    By now you may be seeing what I am getting at: IMO AMD had dropped 5xxx series driver support just two years after the first 5xxx cards were released, despite what they claimed. Just like what I had read, what the owners of 4xxx cards had claimed on the forums; but two or three years later in time. I have to wonder if I will begin to have problems getting my 7870s to work right in just a year's time from now, because of lack of proper driver support. It could be because of AMD/ATI policy of "one driver fits all" as opposed to individual driver downloads for each series, I'm not sure. Or it could just be that AMD puts all video cards over two years old out-to-pasture so-to-speak, unofficially, as they don't want to expend the resources to support them any more.

    Also, I have heard a lot of complaints in the past year from series 6xxx owners, complaining that AMD has hung them out-to-dry so-to-speak. They claim that the 6xxx series are flawed design-wise, and AMD can't get the new drivers to work right on the 7xxx series and the 6xxx series simultaneously. That if they fixed the drivers for the 6xxx series that the 7xxx won't work right - again flaw of not releasing separate drivers for specific series cards. Here we go again, SOS. Do you want to take a chance on that happening to you in two years?



    What's more, have you been watching the industry news lately about AMD? It appears they are in dire straights. It's entirely possible that AMD will not be around in two or three years to update the drivers!

    That said, AMDs current 13.1 driver is awesome for the 7xxx series. There were some new optimizations that increased the render speed of many games, many by >10%, and fixed incompatibilities W/7xxx cards and X58 and X79 motherboards! Including fixing the use of EyeFinity (multiple monitors) in Tri-Fire (3-way crossfire) on X79 systems - which has been broken for a year now!
     
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    Re:Deciding on GPU's Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:49 AM (permalink)
    I vote for more monitors or larger displays. I'm pretty done with upgrading every few months since I can't keep up with that game either. My last build was in late 2010, SR-2, tri 580's. I JUST upgraded my cpu's for my SR-2 and Dual 690's. Every 3 years I can deal with.
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