JerkMan
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Sunday, December 09, 2012 11:49 PM
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So I bought the 690 first. Running 3 monitors and wanted to futureproof a bit so swapped for 2 680 4gb Classfieds. Even upgraded to a Z77 with PLX from P67. Still not getting an improvement over the previous 690, dare I say there's a slight decrease in performance. My basis is playing AC3 and BF3, max everything, 5760x1080. What am I missing?! Interesting side note: my VRAM usage is above 2600MB. Should put that argument to rest.
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 0:12 PM
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Good choice swapping to 680's. Are you using the same drivers as you were on the 690? Have you run any quantifiable tests to compare the setups like 3dmark or heaven? Just watching fps bounce around in games isn't a great measure.
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 0:33 PM
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"Good Choice" is situation dependent at best. Some people use their motherboard expansion for, dare I say it, non graphics hardware. The OP has sacrificed his ability to do so, and has incurred a performance decrease for his trouble, not to mention the tainting of heat and power figures. In this case, there is certainly less good than choice. Double Reference VRAM is awesome to have, but with it your ability to memory overclock is significantly hindered, and additionally latency is increased. Only using 600MB past the 2GB threshold at the OPs res means pulling back even a single post process, like AA, DOF, HDR etc, the VRAM would be unnecessary, making the single card solution very appealing.
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 0:40 PM
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schulmaster "Good Choice" is situation dependent at best. Some people use their motherboard expansion for, dare I say it, non graphics hardware. The OP has sacrificed his ability to do so, and has incurred a performance decrease for his trouble, not to mention the tainting of heat and power figures. In this case, there is certainly less good than choice. Double Reference VRAM is awesome to have, but with it your ability to memory overclock is significantly hindered, and additionally latency is increased. Only using 600MB past the 2GB threshold at the OPs res means pulling back even a single post process, like AA, DOF, HDR etc, the VRAM would be unnecessary, making the single card solution very appealing. I've owned both 690's and 680 classified's, and I can easily say I'd take two classies over a 690 any day. From my experience, the 690 runs exponentially hotter, louder, with hindered overclocking ability and the obvious only 2gb of vram. If you have the cash and space, dual classified's are easily the better option. You'll also be able to overclock the ram on a classified as well, if not better (due to lower temps) than the ram on a 690. Now I'm just wondering if he's ran some benches comparing the setups.
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 1:03 AM
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Unfortunately I didn't bench the reference. When I have some more time I'll bench what I've got. Which program is recommended for completeness? Also, I tend to agree that the increased RAM increases latency. Again, I am fairly new at this but I'm getting half the framerate in BF3 now than with my 690. In fairness, when I switched to the 690 from my 580s SLI, I didn't double check the settings, just assumed they were still at max. I just increased the resolution and was mesmorized by the 120FPS. In retrospect, and seeing my settings change when I went to the 680s, I may be inadvertantly be comparing apples to oranges, so to speak. That said, with EVERYTHING maxed in BF3 at 5760x1080 using roughly my specs, what should the average framerate be with a 690? ~120 or ~60?
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 3:12 AM
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Something is definitely wrong if your framerates are half. One of the GPU's must not be working, or you don't have SLI enabled, or something like that.
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 5:30 PM
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What should my FPS be in BF3 at 5760x1080 with everything maxed given my setup? My below specs are current.
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 5:49 PM
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When you say everything maxed what exactly. If you have everything set to Ultra, 4X MSAA, Anti-Aliasing (POST) High, Motion Blur On, Anisotropic 16X, and HBAO you wont get that great of frames in BF3. With all of that it is very demanding when your running at 5760x1080. I'm running 3 GTX680's and cant run those setting and stay above 60 fps (Vsync On) all the time. The new DLC Aftermath is pretty tough on the video cards at 5760x1080.
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 8:00 PM
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I'm actually considering a third 680, so you're a good source for info. Do you have the 2gb or 4gb versions?
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 8:06 PM
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JerkMan I'm actually considering a third 680, so you're a good source for info. Do you have the 2gb or 4gb versions? I'd recommend figuring out why your second 680 isn't working at all before you buy a third. Lol
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 8:30 PM
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I only have the 2Gb cards. Like Andrew mentioned I would try to figure out was is going on with your current cards then add a 3rd if you feel the need. Your frames should not be half of what your 690 was running. The 680's should be running higher than the 690 with the same settings.
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Monday, December 10, 2012 10:38 PM
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I've run checks in Precision X, GPU-Z and HWMonitor. They all say both my 680s are peachy, with the listed OC. I'm thinking user error at this point. When I switched from my 580s SLI to the 690, it must've auto-reduced the settings (from all maxed at 1920x1080 with Fermi), I'm thinking to medium all around, and I honestly got too excited to check it. Then when I swapped to the 680s, the game adjusted accordingly, upping the settings thereby reducing the framerate. I noticed the above in BF3 because going from ~120 FPS to ~95 FPS caught my eye. Even then I didn't check the settings, jumping the gun and assuming it was a PCIE issue and getting the Sniper 3. As far as AC3, I think like you said above, it's not accurate at all to watch frames jump around, for sure in the ~25 to ~40 mark where any percentage jump wouldn't be noticeable under say 20%-25%, meaning 10 FPS. I allowed my mind to play a trick on me. The blessing in disguise is that I've got PCIE 3.0 x16x16 with Sandy Bridge, and may not even upgrade to Haswell (and a new socket/MoBo) unless I see a drastic result over my setup (I'll wait for the pros to sort that one out). All that's certain in the near future is a 2600k overclock, which should be a breeze with this board once I have the time. Having said all that, from the sound of it BF3 (the one game I play constantly) doesn't scale that much better in tri-SLI over SLI. I'm getting the same roughly 60 FPS with my two. Not thinking it's worth getting a third just yet. Another thought... Could my VRAM make up for the lack of a third card, pushing my performance up to tri-SLI? Again, I was in the 2600s MB VRAM usage yesterday according to Precision X...
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:28 PM
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That would make since with the drastic change in frame rates. Your biggest improvement will be adding a card and go 2 way sli. The 3rd card does not give that big of a jump in improvement. It helps when all kind of things are going on in the game at once (explosions, debris falling, heli shooting at you) and you dont want any frame drops. My buddy has 3 GTX680's as well and I'm going to try one of his in my setup and see how 4 do. The extra VRAM helps with the higher resolutions, higher anti aliasing, higher textures, etc... but will not give you the same performance as adding a 3rd card. When I max out everything in BF3 I'm using 1886MB of VRAM but I do get a drop in frames. I like staying pegged at 60fps (Vsync On) and any drops bug the hell out of me. haha
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Re:HELP! GTX 680 Classified (OC) SLI running worse than GTX 690!
Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:17 PM
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Ok so I may have just figured this out, it was my user error and apologize. I'm already at SLI by the way. First off, managed a stable oc on my 2600k @4.5Ghz and 1.30v. I've had a steady oc on my pair of classifieds, +50/+500 (1228/7012) which I plan to push further on the core side. 3DMark 11 gave me P16927, with a graphics score 22057, which makes me happy and finally puts any doubt to rest that I didn't know what I was doing. I've learned, the hard way. While I have the attention tho, I seem to have scored a bit low on the Physics side, according to the bench at least. Is 10474 really something to be concerned about or really want/be able to increase? Or is it just my OCD rearing its ugly head again? EDIT: Ok so I've got a pair of decent cards. Max OC is 1267/7012, +80/+500 (haven't said it but 131% PT). The cores wouldn't run longer than 5 min at 1280 even without any memory oc, but 1267 is a figure I'm pretty happy with. 3DMark 11 says P17141 and 22576 for the graphics. Still curious about the physics score but otherwise very happy.
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