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Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:48 PM
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I really want to get a 690 soon, but I have some concerns, so maybe the others who have the 690 can give me some insight.
One of my main concerns is the load temperatures. When I say load, I mean playing Battlefield 3 for hours, on a single monitor with 1900x1080 resolution(I think? It's a 23-24" monitor). I don't like my temperatures getting in the 40's and won't tolerate them getting in the 50's. I like my temperatures to stay in the 30's mainly because it's a temperature that I like.
My other concern about the 690 is because of the design, the air vent that vents inside the PC may make my push/pull Corsair H80 suck in hot air and raise the computer temperature. As of right now my i7-2700k idles at 21-22C and while playing battlefield it rarely ever gets into the 30's. I know even with a friends 690 with the fan turned at 95% it was still in the 50's playing BF3, but he has a small case, and I have the CM Storm Sniper.
Now my last question is would it be worth it to setup a watercooler just for the video card? I have the space to run the lines and wouldn't mind doing it, but can anybody recommend a kit just for the video card, or is their some type of self contained watercooler like the Corsair H80 built for the 690?
My last question goes to anybody that has a 690 water cooled, what are your idle/load temperatures being watercooled?
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:52 PM
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temps are going to vary based on how you chose to setup your cooling loop. a properly liquid cooled card is always going to run cooler than an air cooled one. I see my temps in the 50's all the time its not going to hurt the 690.
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:58 PM
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temps are going to vary based on how you chose to setup your cooling loop. a properly liquid cooled card is always going to run cooler than an air cooled one. I see my temps in the 50's all the time its not going to hurt the 690.
I know it won't, but I don't want anything in the 50's. I honestly don't even like things being in the 40's if I can help it. It's just personal preference really, and when the video card runs hotter, so do other things on the motherboard like PCB(which already comes close to 50, but it's because of the video card being right over that bridge)
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:41 PM
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Own a 690 play at 1920x1080 till my new monitor gets here.
Play all games with everything maxed out because I wanna play with it. With the stock cooler cretin games that are very graphics intensive will see the GPU 1 hitting highs of 75. Usually avg out at around 69ish deg. Only calling out GPU1 because GPU2 will always be lower.
Re-TMed the card with IC Diamond and the temps are very low. I'm looking at the highest temp of 69deg.
About your H80 don't know. I have a H100 mounted to the roof of my case with the fans in a pull config since this case won't allow for a push pull config with a 120mm on top. The mobo heat sink for the VRM doesn't allow. But yes the stock setup has the fan in the middle pushing and half of it will exhaust and other half dumped back into the case. Hasn't been a big issue for me however on overall temps of my system.
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:48 PM
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Your not going to get 30C on the air cooler unless you play in the south pole or an industrial reefer. Only going to get that on water, in which case that is very doable as I only get about 28-32c in any game. That also depends greatly on your ambient temps and your loop configuration.
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:04 PM
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BTW OP what video card are you using now that you won't/couldn't tolerate 50deg?
You just won't get that type of cooling abilities with the stock heat sink design and WILL have to go with something aftermarket period.
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:32 AM
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YoP, if temperatures are that grave of a concern, you shouldn't be looking at a dual GPU card.
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:14 AM
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I have the XSPC waterblock for my 690, it idles at the standard 20-25C depending on what my ambient is at the time, but on full load it usually runs 35-40C. Any of the aftermarket blocks perform near the same, with the exception of the EVGA block. As these cards create less heat than previous 200-500 series cards, they opted for a light weight but still efficient waterblock. It has about 1/3 the copper as the other, which nets in +10C-15C higher than the others. Having said that, Overclocking performance is all the same until you hit closer to 0C, so it doesnt really matter which block you want. Depending on your loop, you will have under 50C no matter what block you go with. On air, mine ran above 70C all the time, but im also running a large Resolution so they are always maxxed out, but i had extremely good airflow. The 50C you mentioned above, I fear is pretty unrealistic for full load. Maybe on 1 monitor, and it not utilizing 100% of the gpu, but otherwise you are looking at no lower than 65C on full load on air.
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:47 AM
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Well right now I run a 680 and it doesn't go past 45 while playing battlefield 3. That's with the fan at 85% and I'm assuming once I get the backplate and unlock to 100% fan that it won't get into the 40s. It's not that I can't tolerate the 50+, but I don't want it to get in the 50s. It's just my preference as far as temperatures go. I'm just stubborn when it comes to what I expect. I have no problem going with watercooled for the 690 to get temps that won't get in the 50s, but I have no experience with watercooling, so that's where I was hoping for advice. The case I have is very large and the fan setup I have is: 3x 200mm fans and 4x 120mm fans. One 200mm fan blows from the side of the case onto the motherboard and video card. The other 200mm fan blows in from the bottom of the front of the case onto the hard drives. The other 200mm fan blows from the top out to get any warm air out. Then I have a 120mm bottom fan that blows like 120cfm at the bottom of the case that blows upward and somewhat into the 680 fan. Then I custom zip tied another fan where my 5.25" drive bays go, right under my cd rom that blows towards my motherboard and ram. Then the other 2 120mm fans are in a push/pull setup with the corsair h80, but the fans are scythe ultra kraze 3000 rpm 140cfm fans. I know its probably overkill, but I prefer cooler temps.
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:50 AM
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I have the XSPC waterblock for my 690, it idles at the standard 20-25C depending on what my ambient is at the time, but on full load it usually runs 35-40C. Any of the aftermarket blocks perform near the same, with the exception of the EVGA block. As these cards create less heat than previous 200-500 series cards, they opted for a light weight but still efficient waterblock. It has about 1/3 the copper as the other, which nets in +10C-15C higher than the others.
That is not true at all. The amount of copper present in the water block does not impact cooling performance. (example: Danger Den blocks are twice as heavy as any other blocks out there but performance is not better) The internal structure of the water chamber and flow path design is what determines heat transfer efficiency. My 690HC even when OC'ed idles at 20-22C and full load never exceed 33-34C (including benchmarks like 3DMark and Heaven).
post edited by ehau - Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:53 AM
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:15 AM
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I have the XSPC waterblock for my 690, it idles at the standard 20-25C depending on what my ambient is at the time, but on full load it usually runs 35-40C. Any of the aftermarket blocks perform near the same, with the exception of the EVGA block. As these cards create less heat than previous 200-500 series cards, they opted for a light weight but still efficient waterblock. It has about 1/3 the copper as the other, which nets in +10C-15C higher than the others.
That is not true at all. The amount of copper present in the water block does not impact cooling performance. (example: Danger Den blocks are twice as heavy as any other blocks out there but performance is not better) The internal structure of the water chamber and flow path design is what determines heat transfer efficiency. My 690HC even when OC'ed idles at 20-22C and full load never exceed 33-34C (including benchmarks like 3DMark and Heaven).
It does affect the cooling. The amount of copper present on the block that is contacting any processing unit will take a determined amount of time to change tempurature. The thinner and or less conductive the material used will affect that. A small and lighter aluminum block will heat up much faster than a heavier copper block allowing the block more time to disperse the heat rather than jumping the heat up. More importantly is the radiators ability to pull heat out of the water and the flow rate of the water. If you are getting only 33-34C full load on a 690 with the EVGA block, you must have an outrageous dedicated WC unit just for the 690, or you are running an AC unit in front of it. Which is fine. I was just explaining to the OP, simply putting a WB on the card will keep him under 50C, which will be his only solution to staying in the 40s and lower with a 690. The stock air cooler wont do it unless its outside in the snow.
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:20 AM
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First, I should probably rephrase. What I mean is more copper does not mean better cooling performance. crezno
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I have the XSPC waterblock for my 690, it idles at the standard 20-25C depending on what my ambient is at the time, but on full load it usually runs 35-40C. Any of the aftermarket blocks perform near the same, with the exception of the EVGA block. As these cards create less heat than previous 200-500 series cards, they opted for a light weight but still efficient waterblock. It has about 1/3 the copper as the other, which nets in +10C-15C higher than the others.
That is not true at all. The amount of copper present in the water block does not impact cooling performance. (example: Danger Den blocks are twice as heavy as any other blocks out there but performance is not better) The internal structure of the water chamber and flow path design is what determines heat transfer efficiency. My 690HC even when OC'ed idles at 20-22C and full load never exceed 33-34C (including benchmarks like 3DMark and Heaven).
It does affect the cooling. The amount of copper present on the block that is contacting any processing unit will take a determined amount of time to change tempurature. The thinner and or less conductive the material used will affect that. A small and lighter aluminum block will heat up much faster than a heavier copper block allowing the block more time to disperse the heat rather than jumping the heat up.
More importantly is the radiators ability to pull heat out of the water and the flow rate of the water. If you are getting only 33-34C full load on a 690 with the EVGA block, you must have an outrageous dedicated WC unit just for the 690, or you are running an AC unit in front of it. Which is fine. I was just explaining to the OP, simply putting a WB on the card will keep him under 50C, which will be his only solution to staying in the 40s and lower with a 690. The stock air cooler wont do it unless its outside in the snow.
That is a misconception. You want the water block to heat up the faster the better (the contact area with the heat source(s) should be as thin as possible), so that heat gets transferred to the coolant inside the water chamber faster. Coolant temperatures will reach an equilibrium point eventually. Thicker copper would not only slow down the transfer, but also increase the time for the coolant temperatures to reach a new equilibrium point when the load changes. As for aluminum, it is simply a less efficient heat transfer material than copper, that is why it heats up more. And no I do not have a dedicated water cooling loop for the 690. I use a Koolance ERM-3K3UC at 20% fan speed to cool my 3960X and 690. My room temps are 22C, and I can achieve a 5C ambient vs water delta at full load (wasn't possible with the two 480s that I had before, which reached high 40s (GPU temps) full load).
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Re:GTX 690 Questions
Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:47 AM
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That's unbelievable if you're playing at max settings for you with a 680 running 45deg, quite nice.
If you already own a 680 I would ditch the idea of getting a 690 and pick up another 680.
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