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So what's the word - can the GTX 680 do 4K (4096 x 2160 or 3820 x 2160) over HDMI like the Radeon 7970?
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:47 AM
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looks like it can't do 4k. 2560x1600 is the max resolution according to nvidia website. Don't know why they won't support it. But I don't care.
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:00 AM
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futurenoir So what's the word - can the GTX 680 do 4K (4096 x 2160 or 3820 x 2160) over HDMI like the Radeon 7970? The HDMI 1.4 standard supports 3840 pixels wide by 2160 pixels high @ 24Hz /25Hz /30Hz 4096 pixels wide by 2160 pixels high @ 24Hz Max resolution listed per video output, HDMI/DVI/DP is 2560x1600. That being said the card is capable of outputting those resolutions. For whatever reason, they are not listed as being supported even though Zotac for example, explicitly lists it as supported. http://www.zotac.com/inde...Itemid=268&lang=en
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:39 AM
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There seems to be a lot of confusion. Some specs say it is, others say it isn't. Has anyone actually tested it with the actual card yet?
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:59 AM
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HDMI is a horrible low bandwidth interface. Can't even do 1080P @ 120Hz. It can do 4096x2160 at 24 Hz. So about the bandwidth of two Styrofoam cups tied together with a piece of string.
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:24 PM
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callsignvega HDMI is a horrible low bandwidth interface. Can't even do 1080P @ 120Hz. It can do 4096x2160 at 24 Hz. So about the bandwidth of two Styrofoam cups tied together with a piece of string. Low bandwidth? HDMI supports up 10.2 Gigabit/s bandwidth. That's plenty. The reason for it not supporting certain resolutions and refresh rates such as 1080p at 120Hz is not due to a lack of bandwidth.
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:02 PM
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SirMaster callsignvega HDMI is a horrible low bandwidth interface. Can't even do 1080P @ 120Hz. It can do 4096x2160 at 24 Hz. So about the bandwidth of two Styrofoam cups tied together with a piece of string. Low bandwidth? HDMI supports up 10.2 Gigabit/s bandwidth. That's plenty. The reason for it not supporting certain resolutions and refresh rates such as 1080p at 120Hz is not due to a lack of bandwidth. This. 1.4b will be out (hopefully) soon, and will address some of these issues.
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:03 PM
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The GTX 680 supprts 1.4/a...so technically yes, but as callsignevga stated, at only 24hz. Here is a comparison of 24Hz vs 60Hz to give you an idea
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:41 PM
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nerd101 The GTX 680 supprts 1.4/a...so technically yes, but as callsignevga stated, at only 24hz. Here is a comparison of 24Hz vs 60Hz to give you an idea Part of that however is due from the frame rate that the camera is recording at. If the camera was set to record at 24Hz ± a few Hz, it'd definitely have that effect, and magnify it. For example: It's the frame rate of the camera and the frequency of the water (via the speaker) being matched exactly that causes the water to "hang" like that. When the sine wave frequency is incremented/decremented, the two will be out of sync, causing the stream of water to either appear to go back up into the tube, or fall down faster. Sadly, in person, this would just look like a normal water stream. This happens at whole number ratios of each frequency. 1:1, 2:1, etc. It's the same effect as what happens on car commercials sometimes. The car is obviously moving, but you are able to exactly see the slow rotation of the wheel, despite the car traveling quickly, either in the opposite direction the car seems to be traveling, or in the direction of travel
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:59 PM
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:22 PM
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SirMaster callsignvega HDMI is a horrible low bandwidth interface. Can't even do 1080P @ 120Hz. It can do 4096x2160 at 24 Hz. So about the bandwidth of two Styrofoam cups tied together with a piece of string. Low bandwidth? HDMI supports up 10.2 Gigabit/s bandwidth. That's plenty. The reason for it not supporting certain resolutions and refresh rates such as 1080p at 120Hz is not due to a lack of bandwidth. That's plenty (340 MHz)? That's slower than a VGA cable (388 MHz). Display port 1.2 is the only interface that can reasonable do higher resolutions/refresh rates that we can see coming out in the future. It has almost twice the bandwidth as HDMI 1.4. Oh and HDMI's woeful bandwidth is exactly why it cannot do 1080P @ 120Hz. That = 373.2 MHz. I state once again HDMI is designed for mainstream TV use and it's band width is garbage. http://www.csgnetwork.com/videosignalcalc.html
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:51 PM
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SirMaster callsignvega HDMI is a horrible low bandwidth interface. Can't even do 1080P @ 120Hz. It can do 4096x2160 at 24 Hz. So about the bandwidth of two Styrofoam cups tied together with a piece of string. Low bandwidth? HDMI supports up 10.2 Gigabit/s bandwidth. That's plenty. The reason for it not supporting certain resolutions and refresh rates such as 1080p at 120Hz is not due to a lack of bandwidth. Eh...1920X1080 at 24hz is nearly 7Gbits/sec. Do the math.
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:26 PM
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HeavyHemi SirMaster callsignvega HDMI is a horrible low bandwidth interface. Can't even do 1080P @ 120Hz. It can do 4096x2160 at 24 Hz. So about the bandwidth of two Styrofoam cups tied together with a piece of string. Low bandwidth? HDMI supports up 10.2 Gigabit/s bandwidth. That's plenty. The reason for it not supporting certain resolutions and refresh rates such as 1080p at 120Hz is not due to a lack of bandwidth. Eh...1920X1080 at 24hz is nearly 7Gbits/sec. Do the math. OK? I've done the math: HSYNC: 1920+280 (horizontal blanking pixel No.) VSYNC: 1080+45 (vertical blanking line No.) Total pixel per frame = 2200x1125 = 2.475 Mpx/frame Bit rate = 2.475 Mpx/frame x 24 (= 3x8) bit/px x 24 frame/s = 1.4256 Gbit/s TMDS: 8 bit -> 10 bit TMDS bit rate = 1.4256 Gbit/s x 10/8 = 1.782 Gbit/s 1920x1080 24Hz 24bit = 1.782 Gbit/s 1920x1080 60Hz 24bit = 4.455 Gbit/s 1920x1080 120Hz 24bit = 8.910 Gbit/s So as you can see, the 10.2 Gbit that HDMI can support is plenty, even for 1080p 120Hz. It's not limited by the bandwidth. HDMI is far from a "low bandwidth interface" There are even some manufacturers selling HDMI cables that support up to 15.8 Gbit/s, but they aren't currently a part of any HDMI standard.
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:29 PM
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Supported in single card mode.
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:11 PM
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HDMI only goes up to 340 MHz un single link mode (which virtually all devices are). 340 MHz is not enough for 1080P @ 120 Hz. Why do you think there are no devices that run 1080P @ 120Hz. They though they would put that restriction on just for the hell of it? An example is the recent Samsung 3D displays that have HDMI and DP. Only DP allows 120Hz, HDMI can only do 60 Hz on the same deisplay.
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Re:GTX680 4K over HDMI?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:50 PM
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callsignvega HDMI only goes up to 340 MHz un single link mode (which virtually all devices are). 340 MHz is not enough for 1080P @ 120 Hz. Why do you think there are no devices that run 1080P @ 120Hz. They though they would put that restriction on just for the hell of it? An example is the recent Samsung 3D displays that have HDMI and DP. Only DP allows 120Hz, HDMI can only do 60 Hz on the same deisplay. 340MHz is more than enough for 1080p at 120fps. 1920x1080 at 120fps and 24-bit would require a cable that can send a signal at 248.83 MHz. Well below the 340MHz limit of good quality HDMI cables. The restriction is in the HDMI processor within the TV, it's NOT a limitation of available bandwidth on an HDMI cable.
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