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Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:15 PM (permalink)
OK, folks, at this point I am completely fed up with nVidia. I cannot find a driver that does NOT crash and I've tried ALL of them, including the beta ones.
 
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Athlon X2 64bit - yes it's old. It does what I need.
Asus M2N32-SLI motherboard - yes it's old. It works.
Corsair XMS2 PC 6400 DDR-800 RAM - 8GB
EVGA Geforce GTX 560 Ti - new card
Asus Geforce 8800GTX - old card
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
Toughpower 700 watt power supply
No SLI
Single monitor (DVI)
I don't install the 3D display drivers
 
Games I can't play - Dragon Age: Origins/Awakening, Avadon, some Shockwave.com games, some older PC games
Games that work dispite the crashes - Wizard101, some Shockwave games, some older PC games.
 
The last stable driver I had was v100.65 under Vista with the 8800. Literally. My problems started when I upgraded to Windows 7 and needed to upgrade the driver on the 8800. I think the driver went to 285.something. Anyhow, immediately after reboot, the display driver started crashing to the point I couldn't even browse the web. Uninstall, try new drivers, wash rinse repeat for everything out there. Searching the nVidia forums it appears the driver update fried something on the 8800. Not so sure now.
 
Broke down and bought a shiny new EVGA Geforce 560 Ti. Just got it *yesterday*. Installed it today. I've tried the disk that came with the card (driver version 285.66). Fired up Avadon. Well, the game plays for about 2 minues before the display drivers crash. Sadly, this is an *improvement*. Dragon Age: Origins doesn't even load now. Uninstalled that driver tried the supposedly stable 285.62 drivers. I couldn't even load Firefox before they started crashing. System was totally unusable. Uninstalled that driver, tried the latest beta (295.51). Still same performance for Avadon, but now I get errors when it crashes instead of the "display crashed and recovered".  Uninstalled that driver, tried 290.53. No change for Avadon, but Dragon Age loads and you can complete character creation before it freezes and you have to kill the program. Wizard101 is stable. Firefox is unusable now. Uninstalled that driver, tried 290.36. Same performance for Avadon, Dragon Age and Wizard101. Firefox is even *worse*. The driver doesn't even recover before it crashes again. Finally it locks up the system and you have to reboot. IE appears to be somewhat stable. I got to type this post at least.
 
I'm not looking for the latest and greatest here. I play some fairly old and low graphic games; I'm nowhere near taxing out this card (I don't think I even taxed out the 8800 GTX!) I just want the darn drivers to stop crashing and run the games my 6 year old 8800GTX did with ancient drivers. I'm about ready to send this back and try an ATI card. I'm not sure it can be worse.
 
I'd appreciate any help you can give. Thanks.
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    FattysGoneWild
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:22 PM (permalink)
    Did you uninstall the previous drivers before putting in the new card? Atm. It seems the last few releases of Nvidia drivers. Many have had problems including myself. I hate to say it. But, new card=new windows install? Might not be needed. But, any time I have upgraded to a new card that is completely different. I always reinstall windows.

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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:30 PM (permalink)
    I normally uninstall driver's from the windows program remover. Then I check see if any of the folder's got "left" behind if there is any, I delete them.
    Restart pc, Boot into safe mode use drive cleaner, restart again then boot normal install drivers and restart pc again.
    far as driver's go, I have GTX 570 and I'm using driver's 290.36, haven't had an issue with them. So you might give them a shot.
     

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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:45 PM (permalink)
    try using driver sweeper to un install gpu drivers,when you install new driver use the custom choice and just instal the gpu driver only.do not instal hd sound or nvidia update or 3d vision.



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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:50 PM (permalink)
    OP. Follow this driver guide here. Best guide on the net. http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=1174372 I am completely against using driver cleaning software like driver sweeper. Just my opinion.

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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:56 PM (permalink)
    Here's a question, do you know if your motherboard supports the new OS?  That is, does the manufacturer have a BIOS update that supports Windows 7 for your board.  The fact that the problem started when you installed the OS leads me to that conclusion.  It might not be the graphics card or graphics driver at all.
     
    I googled your board, went to the Asus website and under the download tab, it looks like support is there.  Question is, did you download and install it prior to installing the OS?

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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:07 PM (permalink)
    Really sorry to read this. I do have one question... What Audio drivers are installed in this system?
     
     

     
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:29 PM (permalink)
    Hi, thanks for the quick replies!
     
    FattysGoneWild, _Havoc_, and patcheanook - Yes, I've uninstalled the previous drivers, removed the install directories, cleaned the registry and rebooted (several times) before installing the next iteration of the driver.
     
    Lehpron - now *that* is an idea. I do (dimly) recall having to update the BIOS on this board before installing Vista even (way back when). I didn't update the BIOS for Windows 7 so that may be an issue. I'll need to check to see what my current version is. Worst case is I'll need to reinstall everything although I sure hope not.
     
    Afterburner - the sound is onboard so currently it's using whatever drivers Windows 7 has.
     
    Thanks again!
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:36 PM (permalink)
    I'm going to go ahead and say that, because this install has been borked from the beginning, you back up your files, format that drive and start again.
     
    After that it, you download the proper support from Asus and put it on a USB so you can install it.  Do this install after you complete the windows installation, but before you do anything else.
     
    Also note, all latest nVidia drivers have an issue with FireFox. so even if you get a fresh install right, FF WILL still crash.
     


     
     
      
                                   
     
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:41 PM (permalink)
    another thing to keep in mind, when you install the nvidia driver is to do a 'custom install' make make sure that the 'install sound driver' option is NOT selected.  these clash badly with other sound drivers.
    check your on-board sound - it's probably Realtek or such, get the latest drivers from them, rather than relying on Windows to do it for you.
     


     
     
      
                                   
     
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:47 PM (permalink)
    FF 11.0 crash with W7? no problems here and im on FF 11.0 about 9Hrs + a day .Watching videos ,games(BF3) and browsing.Surprised some are having issues 

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    Re:Completely FED UP! Sunday, February 19, 2012 0:01 PM (permalink)
    You must be the only person in the world not having issues then!
     
    consider yourself very, very lucky!


     
     
      
                                   
     
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Sunday, February 19, 2012 0:53 PM (permalink)
    Simba123

    I'm going to go ahead and say that, because this install has been borked from the beginning, you back up your files, format that drive and start again.

    After that it, you download the proper support from Asus and put it on a USB so you can install it.  Do this install after you complete the windows installation, but before you do anything else.

    Also note, all latest nVidia drivers have an issue with FireFox. so even if you get a fresh install right, FF WILL still crash.


     
    He said "borked"

     
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:08 AM (permalink)
    Well, at this point everything is moot. The system no longer posts after the second BIOS update. It doesn't even beep. From what I can see the motherboard does not have a Windows 7 BIOS. The link listed isn't the motherboard I have - I have the M2N32-SLI Premium Vista Edition board which I guess is just too old.
     
    At this point I'm tired of fighting the system. I've been fighting the graphics issues for 6 months now and I guess it's just time for a new box. :/
     
    Thanks for the help though. I appreciate it.
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:30 AM (permalink)
    What cpu do you have?
     


     
     
      
                                   
     
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:51 AM (permalink)
    Simba123 You must be the only person in the world not having issues then!
    Make that two - I have no problems in Firefox.  FF 10.0.2.
     
    I was having driver timeout issues, but that is a driver issue not a FF issue.  Frankly the Win7 drivers from Nvidia have been problematic.  I tried several versions, both WHQL and Beta, yet still had crashes every day.  Finally tried latest 295.51 Beta, and have been rock solid for 5+ days. 
     
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    Suggest you submit an official bug report with Nvidia.  See here:
    http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=217362&st=49
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:05 AM (permalink)
    3, nary an issue. It's not specifically related to FF, I'm running 11b3

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    Re:Completely FED UP! Monday, February 20, 2012 0:52 PM (permalink)
    @simba I agree start fresh so there is no questions with the software/drivers!
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Monday, February 20, 2012 1:12 AM (permalink)
    I do not think it is the MB not being compatable because my wifes running and Asus a7n8x with a 1.8ghz cpu running win 7 ultimate fine. It still has the same Bios that it came with.  To me it sounds like you upgraded from vista to 7 and did not do a fresh install. If you did the upgrade something could of not installed properly which could of been the cause all a long. I
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    Re:Completely FED UP! Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:02 AM (permalink)
    Take your pc apart put it back together carefully.run memtest, test your psu, kill the partition on your hard drive. Reinstall windows .

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    Re:Completely FED UP! Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:28 AM (permalink)
    Sounds like a possible power issue. When you say crashed, does the computer turn off? If so, i'd start looking at a new PSU.

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