ixlad66
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/01 16:52:24
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Looks like I will have to RMA this thing. I just tried to do a clean OS re-install and now it won't allow the network drivers to install. It says: "no network device available". It worked fine at first, so where did it go? I've built two other Mini ITX systems in the last few months (Foxconn and Asrock MBs), not to mention multiple other ATX systems, never had so much trouble with a motherboard. Let's see what tech support says.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/02 14:54:53
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Got to run mine @ 1333 since it wont boot @1600. I tried upping VCCIO to 1.13 and ram to 1.6 but no go. My ram is Corsair Vengeance 16GB rated at 1600. Even when lightening up on timings ,it made no difference. By the time they get a good BIOS for this board, the board will be outdated by a long shot. I wish I RMAed this when I had the chance. The hardware is nice but EVGA has a bad rep with BIOS development. One thing I know for sure ,this will be my last EVGA board.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/02 15:39:16
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I hear you.
I read a lot of warnings regarding EVGA motherboards and BIOS, I think I should have listened.
I own 5 high-end EVGA video cards and a 750Gold power supply, all performing well.
This was my first EVGA motherboard, (and for an ITX it was not cheap) so unless they fix things in satisfactory manner, it will most definitely be my last.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/02 15:44:00
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Mine should be shipping from newegg tonight or tomorrow. When it gets here I intend to take the CPU (i5 2500k) and ram from my existing matx board and put them in the evga itx - components that go to 4.2GHz w/o any voltage increases. If it doesn't work good and/or there is no bios fixes in 3 weeks it's going back for a refund and I'll just get the asrock for $50 less.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/02 15:58:19
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Unfortunately I won't have that option since I ordered directly from EVGA.
All I can hope for is that they replace the board with a working one.
Not everyone seems to be having problems, looks like it's a hit-or-miss situation with their motherboards.
Mine seems to have a hardware issue, and I never really got a chance to overclock or tweak at all.
However I did try two RAM sticks of GSkill Trident @2400Mhz, and it did seem to be running it at 2133Mhz.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/02 16:06:24
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I'm personally not a fan of OC'd ram anymore. I haven't bothered with it since Ballistix DDR2 was popular and died over time from the higher voltage - or was that their DDR1? Just too many headaches for very little in return, and the cost for "performance" ram isn't worth it either. Now I just buy what's cheap for ram. I'm not even into overclocking much anymore. Gimme unlocked multipliers and I'm happy. I guess I'm getting old :)
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/02 16:27:51
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This rig was intended just for tinkering and testing gear and software, but I did want it to be able to run stuff with high requirements with ease.
Considering the stability issues, not really a good board for tinkering. Oh well.
I actually tried 4 different types and speeds of RAM to see if it would solve my initial problem: it refused to post. I just happened to have the GSkill trident (from another rig) in when it decided to post. Later on, the others (@1600 and 2000Mhz) seemed to work fine as well.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/04 14:38:30
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so far so good for me,running 3570k @4.3Ghz pretty stable memory 1600 instead of 2133Mhz,cant post otherwise. front usb 3,dont work,dont know why,but when i installed drivers,it worked the front one,and the back of the mobo was inop  for me its ok,i got great performance same as desktop ,in such a tiny case, conjunction with msi gtx 660ti pe. time for bios update i think!! 
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/04 22:29:40
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This RMA process is so damn slow even with EAR. I gotta say this is likely my last EVGA motherboard.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/05 05:15:38
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This RMA process is so damn slow even with EAR. I gotta say this is likely my last EVGA motherboard.
EVGA is low on man power because of the holiday week. They should be picking it up here soon this next week. So far, I have left the Z77 Stinger to folding 24/7. Hasn't crashed through out this week or last week, yet. Thou I do know the little bugs in the BIOS still exist.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/05 11:41:08
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Just got my stinger yesterday. So far it's an absolute POS. Bios settings don't work correctly at all. Can't even overclock my 2500K correctly.
after clearing the bios to default settings, when I boot into windows open cpu-z (eleet), run occt, the cpu multiplier stays at 16... a whole 1.6GHz. When manually setting the multiplier and vcore it will boot in to windows at the max multiplier, but when under load it will go back to 3.3GHz (the default max of the 2500K). Forget even trying to get turbo modes to work, or speedstep.
There's times when I change the multiplier in the bios, to lets say 38, so the cpu speed should be 3.8GHz (it even says that right under the multiplier setting). save settings, and boot directly into bios. See your 38 multiplier setting saved, but yet it's running at some weird clock speed like 3.4GHz instead.
The bios settins seem to have a mind of their own and don't do what they are supposed to be doing.
EVGA, are you guys currently working on a bios, and if so when will it be released? If you guys aren't going to address these problems then at least tell us so we can get refunds.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 01:09:48
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man i dont know how, and i dont even know what, but now im getting a constant BSOD even at defaults.
the last thing i did before it started happening was change the base clock (bclk) just a hair because before i did that, cpu-z kept saying the base clock was at 99.74, not at 100. i tried to offset that 99.74 with a small change in the bios base clock adjustment.
now all i get is bsod, right after the windows 7 loading screen is about to finish. no matter what i do.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 01:52:08
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I been using the board for the past two days, and holy **** is this thing a mess. Overclocking is all over the place and resets oddly, Can't use XMP, and the ****ing thing did that weird restart out of nowhere thing.
If this thing is not fixed by a Bios update, this will be my last EVGA product.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 12:11:37
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man i dont know how, and i dont even know what, but now im getting a constant BSOD even at defaults.
the last thing i did before it started happening was change the base clock (bclk) just a hair because before i did that, cpu-z kept saying the base clock was at 99.74, not at 100. i tried to offset that 99.74 with a small change in the bios base clock adjustment.
now all i get is bsod, right after the windows 7 loading screen is about to finish. no matter what i do.
Bios settings to not work correctly. I wouldn't mess with voltages or BLK much if I were you. I don't even think loading optimized defaults, or clearing the bios actually changes stuff to defaults correctly. I wouldn't do anything but play with multipliers (if you have a K CPU), and even then multipliers don't work correctly either. It's a crap shoot at what speed you'll get. Right now I have mine set to 42, all turbo modes set to 42, but yet it's only 3.7GHz in windows, and drops to 3.3GHz w/ a load (my CPU's default multi - 33).
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 12:14:13
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Does EVGA employee's actually read posts here and reply to issues? Or we expected to register a device that's looking like it will be return for a refund just to create a support ticket?
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 12:25:58
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Luxferro
Does EVGA employee's actually read posts here and reply to issues? Or we expected to register a device that's looking like it will be return for a refund just to create a support ticket?
Yes, they do read them. They have posted on here before too. Thou waiting for answers is a bit long in the forums.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 15:34:16
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okay guys, little update on my problem. got it sorted out, seems it booted fine after i used windows restore program in the boot settings. messed with it a lot today, got my 3770k stable at 4.7ghz at 1.35v. ran prime95, load temps were max at 84c. also overclocked samsungs 8gb kit to 1867mhz at 1.515v. i do not plan to delid either, as i just got the 3770k for my bday from my girlfriend. so i dont plan on ruining it, but i was able to shoot for 5ghz real quick with vcore at 1.48. too high for me though. i have a nice build log you guys can check out here: now with all the bios stuff going on, im actually used to it. im a huge amd guy, so intel isnt my strong suit. im used to messing with bios for days trying to find that sweet spot overclock. it's very interesting with all the ram issues though, i just dont get that. the only thing i thought of is the settings you input in the bios, arent actually what the motherboard is doing, and the monitoring software within the bios is flawed as well. so it really is a crapshoot trying to find the sweet spot settings. i believe this motherboard has GREAT potential. im currently trying to find a waterblock i can modify to use on the mosfets. i plan to fully overclock everything on the motherboard; cpu, ram, nb, and mosfets. this thing is working out so far, but it is indeed very touchy. i'll edit my post with a picture of it as soon as i can. here is a picture of my rig as it sits now:  and about the admins reading the posts, i personally think they're busy with CES at the moment. evga isnt very big as a company afaik.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 16:07:34
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 20:00:16
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Well I decided to go with the ASUS P8Z77-I DELUXE board instead of the stinger. I have this board in my Falcon and it has been great for me. I will be slapping this thing in the Prodigy case. I went with this board because it does have the Lucid MVP chip on-board. I have grown to like the Lucid Logix MVP Chip. Plus separate PCB that sits separate and supports the DIGI+ VRM setup is pretty sweet in a ITX design.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 20:09:32
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Drerex
Well I decided to go with the ASUS P8Z77-I DELUXE board instead of the stinger. I have this board in my Falcon and it has been great for me. I will be slapping this thing in the Prodigy case. I went with this board because it does have the Lucid MVP chip on-board. I have grown to like the Lucid Logix MVP Chip. Plus separate PCB that sits separate and supports the DIGI+ VRM setup is pretty sweet in a ITX design.
You probably made the right choice, although the main reason I didn't buy that board was for the daughterboard. At least Asus releases new bioses. It's been a few months since EVGA released this itx board and they haven't addressed one thing. Computer hardware evolves fast, so supporting products in a timely fashion is very important, especially when it comes to motherboard BIOSes that either add support or fix bugs. A properly working BIOS makes or breaks a motherboard - and for a $200 board this should have been fixed within the first week of release.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/06 21:53:32
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Wish I had gone the ASrock right about now. For such a premium it is pathetic the lack of support for this board.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/07 09:43:27
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I would ahve gone with Asus but their support is abysmal. I did buy the Asrock and the one I got failed to post so I just returned it and went back to waiting for the Stinger to be released. I am still sitting here without a PC that can play games.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/07 14:29:50
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I would ahve gone with Asus but their support is abysmal. I did buy the Asrock and the one I got failed to post so I just returned it and went back to waiting for the Stinger to be released. I am still sitting here without a PC that can play games.
From my business side of dealing with Asus, they weren't actually that bad to me. They managed to get a free items repaired/replaced under a RMA. Until recently one of our dist. picked them up, so now RA's go through them. Don't know about their tech support as I never tried it. Asrock = Good luck just getting an answer back.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/07 16:38:03
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i say we create a laundry list of details about what exactly each person is having go wrong with their motherboard, just so it's easy to see and hopefully fix
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/07 18:25:39
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lifeisshort117
i say we create a laundry list of details about what exactly each person is having go wrong with their motherboard, just so it's easy to see and hopefully fix
I was actually think of that too a few weeks back. Have the list posted on the first page to the Stinger's thread as in which issues were occuring. Probably #1 on that list would be memory speed issues.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/07 20:02:26
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My #1 would be fix the bios settings, all of them. They don't stick correctly, and don't even clear correctly when clearing the bios or loading optimized defaults.
My #2 would be CPU multipliers. They don't work correctly at all - which could be related to #2 if settings aren't set or cleared correctly.
My #3 would be turbo settings, again could be related to #3.
I leave my ram at the bios default of 1333, even though they are 1600. Every time I need to redo my bios it goes back so I don't even bother changing it again.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/07 20:09:51
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1. vdroop issues - the settings for them are very different yet similarly named by just a percentage when they dont reflect said percentage. 2. memory issues - i've discovered most of my cpu overclocks weren't NOT stable from the cpu, but from the memory being over 1600mhz. very annoying. and thats with samsung 8gb, which is famously known for being great overclockers. 3. base clock issue - for some reason cpu-z is telling me base block is at 99.74 or 99.xx, never at 100. that really angers me. its something small and not very important but still very annoying. 4. vcore - vcore settings never equate to the settings you define. the best luck i've had with having them equate to the setting i input, is at the 25% setting. technically it should be disabled for it to stick to exactly what i input. there may be more, but thats what i can think off the top of my head.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/08 10:21:51
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Drerex
Well I decided to go with the ASUS P8Z77-I DELUXE board instead of the stinger. I have this board in my Falcon and it has been great for me. I will be slapping this thing in the Prodigy case. I went with this board because it does have the Lucid MVP chip on-board. I have grown to like the Lucid Logix MVP Chip. Plus separate PCB that sits separate and supports the DIGI+ VRM setup is pretty sweet in a ITX design.
ASUS P8Z77-I DELUXE VS EVGA Stinger. The ASUS P8Z77-I DELUXE is light years ahead of the EVGA Stinger. It's like a fully loaded fighter jet vs a kite with wholes in it. I purchased the The ASUS P8Z77-I DELUXE last month and it's an excellent board. I love the fact that it has WiFi and 2 x esata ports. savaticus
I would ahve gone with Asus but their support is abysmal. I did buy the Asrock and the one I got failed to post so I just returned it and went back to waiting for the Stinger to be released. I am still sitting here without a PC that can play games.
You need to do more research. ASUS's support is a lot better then EVGA's support. EVGA offers no real support beyond RMAs. ASUS sells way more products than EVGA, so it's normal to see more complaints. ASUS has real R&D and EVGA has little to none. If EVGA support is so good, then why haven't they solve the problems with the motherboard lines already? EVGA's Sandy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-e, and Ivy Bridge are all overpriced junk! They charge more for less and people actually are foolish enough to pay for it. You made a big mistake by going EVGA. You paid more for less. EVGA has some of the crappiest R&D in the enthusiast industry... Keep living in fear, believing the haters and you will end up making bad choices like going with the Stinger most of the time. Finally! The EVGA Stinger should not be priced any higher then $129.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/08 16:30:52
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lifeisshort117
man i dont know how, and i dont even know what, but now im getting a constant BSOD even at defaults.
the last thing i did before it started happening was change the base clock (bclk) just a hair because before i did that, cpu-z kept saying the base clock was at 99.74, not at 100. i tried to offset that 99.74 with a small change in the bios base clock adjustment.
now all i get is bsod, right after the windows 7 loading screen is about to finish. no matter what i do.
I found out that I was getting some bad corruption due to memory issues. I had several drivers get messed up. And one problem was the Nvidia driver (310.70) has a poorly written PhysX driver. I had to upp the voltage to RAM and VCCIO even at the lowest memory speed just to run stable. It seems clear this board is super picky about what RAM you run with it. I am running 16GB so I am sure that has something to do with it. There seems to be no point to a 64 system unless you can run more RAM though. And, there is no point to a $200.00 board that cant even run well at stock speeds. What EVGA needs to do is pay a different company to develop their BIOSes. And if they are doing that now, they need a differnt company. If they follow the current pattern, no one will ever buy their boards again. And they may end up with a real bad reputation.
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Re:EVGA Mini-ITX Z77
2013/01/08 19:46:46
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I know on the X58 board, it states Phoenix BIOS. I know Phoenix BIOS has been around for a very long time. I remember my old 486DX2 rig had that company's BIOS. I don't remember what the Stinger has, as I haven't messed with it for a while now and just letting it fold. Maybe this is a hint that a whole different set of BIOS is in order?
I might mess with the BIOS again this week as I got nothing else planned. Well, at least until something else breaks around me.
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