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2020/10/12 19:38:49 (permalink)
So i currently have a 3080xc3 ultra, i bought that camping at microcenter for 20 hours on launch day. I wasn't going to buy one initially but after camping with my friend in line all night i decided to get one. I am currently in the step up to the 3090 EVGA FTW3, i signed up pretty early so hopefully in the next two weeks ill be able to step up.
 
My issue is i was afraid that the 3090 step up would take forever and it might be 1 month plus till i got a ftw3 3090, last week the 3090 FE went on sale on best buy. i was able to snag one and ill have it delivered shortly. Now my current issue is how much faster is a 3090 evga ftw3 card going to be? Overclocking wise? will it be faster? 
 
I love the look of the founders edition so much but at this price point every little percent matters since i already have a 3080. 
 
In the end i will either keep the 3090 FE and sell my 3080 to my brother at cost. Or step up to the evga 3090 ftw3 ultra and sell the extra 3090 to my best friend for cost. 
 
I am not looking to scalp. If i wanted to scalp i would of sold my 3080 for double the price instead of using it for a stepup. 
 
Anyone with a 3090ftw 3 ultra that can compare there card to the 3090FE? not many 3090 ftw3 ultra reviews out there. 
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/12 19:41:01 (permalink)
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So i currently have a 3080xc3 ultra, i bought that camping at microcenter for 20 hours on launch day. I wasn't going to buy one initially but after camping with my friend in line all night i decided to get one. I am currently in the step up to the 3090 EVGA FTW3, i signed up pretty early so hopefully in the next two weeks ill be able to step up.
 
My issue is i was afraid that the 3090 step up would take forever and it might be 1 month plus till i got a ftw3 3090, last week the 3090 FE went on sale on best buy. i was able to snag one and ill have it delivered shortly. Now my current issue is how much faster is a 3090 evga ftw3 card going to be? Overclocking wise? will it be faster? 
 
I love the look of the founders edition so much but at this price point every little percent matters since i already have a 3080. 
 
In the end i will either keep the 3090 FE and sell my 3080 to my brother at cost. Or step up to the evga 3090 ftw3 ultra and sell the extra 3090 to my best friend for cost. 
 
I am not looking to scalp. If i wanted to scalp i would of sold my 3080 for double the price instead of using it for a stepup. 
 
Anyone with a 3090ftw 3 ultra that can compare there card to the 3090FE? not many 3090 ftw3 ultra reviews out there. 




 
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/12 20:07:52 (permalink)
You're looking at a couple of percent at most, some benchmarks I've seen the FE pull ahead even.
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/12 20:29:11 (permalink)
If it were me, I'd sell the FE and keep the FTW3 just because EVGA's warranty and customer support are the best. That and you can actually get an extended warranty with EVGA (and put the card in a backup rig/kids rig when you upgrade).
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/12 22:40:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby hitmanblood 2020/10/13 09:13:34
For what its worth my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming overclocked easily and holds 1995-2080Ghz core and 10k ghz memory clocks.
 While staying around 70-75C on the aggressive fan profile. I haven’t been cross comparing the FE vs others but my benches are on the mods rig if you wish to compare those.
Port Royal stock on my card was 13k and overclocked I got just over 14k if you want my data points as reference.
all other games 4K/144hz & all max settings rtx/dlss on(where possible) and blur off (cuz F that stuff)
Hitman 2 Miami : 111fps
Metro Exodus: 65fps
shadow of the tomb raider: 81 FPS 
Doom eternal, new Ms flight sim, and any older gen stuff easily hit game engine threading or GSync limits.
VR is able to hold 144hz on most games if not then 120 no problem (HL:A)
Hope this helps!
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/12 22:49:56 (permalink)
I have neither but if it were me I'd probably keep the FE.


 
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 09:13:52 (permalink)
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For what its worth my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming overclocked easily and holds 1995-2080Ghz core and 10k ghz memory clocks.
 While staying around 70-75C on the aggressive fan profile. I haven’t been cross comparing the FE vs others but my benches are on the mods rig if you wish to compare those.
Port Royal stock on my card was 13k and overclocked I got just over 14k if you want my data points as reference.
all other games 4K/144hz & all max settings rtx/dlss on(where possible) and blur off (cuz F that stuff)
Hitman 2 Miami : 111fps
Metro Exodus: 65fps
shadow of the tomb raider: 81 FPS 
Doom eternal, new Ms flight sim, and any older gen stuff easily hit game engine threading or GSync limits.
VR is able to hold 144hz on most games if not then 120 no problem (HL:A)
Hope this helps!


thanks for the info!
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 09:15:00 (permalink)
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I have neither but if it were me I'd probably keep the FE.


Definitely.
The FEs are really good.  Better components and very capable heatsink.

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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 11:10:17 (permalink)
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I have neither but if it were me I'd probably keep the FE.


Definitely.
The FEs are really good.  Better components and very capable heatsink.


better components and heatsink then the 3090 ftw3 ultra?
 
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 11:18:53 (permalink)
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I have neither but if it were me I'd probably keep the FE.


Definitely.
The FEs are really good.  Better components and very capable heatsink.


better components and heatsink then the 3090 ftw3 ultra?
 


The FTW3 has better components (or same) all around compared to the FE, and has more power potential than the FE (important if you plan on overclocking). Now, if you have a case that doesn't have great airflow, the 1/2 blower style air cooler that the FE has will be better because it will be exhausting some of the GPU's hot air out the back. If you have a good airflow case, the FTW3 is better and will be quieter. 
 
Full disclosure, I don't consider any case without at least one fan on the removable panel a high airflow case. That's a personal opinion, and why I still have my 8 year old Fulmo GT - I've got two 180mm fans blowing cool air right over my 3090 FTW3 (and a server dual 10gig ethernet card that absolutely requires a certain amount of airflow, or it will shut off).
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 11:22:23 (permalink)
Yeah the ftw3 is a reference board I think and the FE isn't.
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 11:28:27 (permalink)
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For what its worth my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming overclocked easily and holds 1995-2080Ghz core and 10k ghz memory clocks.
 While staying around 70-75C on the aggressive fan profile. I haven’t been cross comparing the FE vs others but my benches are on the mods rig if you wish to compare those.
Port Royal stock on my card was 13k and overclocked I got just over 14k if you want my data points as reference.
all other games 4K/144hz & all max settings rtx/dlss on(where possible) and blur off (cuz F that stuff)
Hitman 2 Miami : 111fps
Metro Exodus: 65fps
shadow of the tomb raider: 81 FPS 
Doom eternal, new Ms flight sim, and any older gen stuff easily hit game engine threading or GSync limits.
VR is able to hold 144hz on most games if not then 120 no problem (HL:A)
Hope this helps!




I can second this- I see similar numbers on my 3090 FTW3 Ultra.. clocks between 1990 & 2115, average 2010 I think.  14,250 port royal scores, my temps are more in the 60's doing all this but I have good cooling.  Knowing I have advanced next-day RMA swaps & 5-year warranty with EVGA's support history, plus transferable 3-year if I want to upgrade gives me more comfort and resale value over a Nvidia FE that has no xferable warranty or limited support and service.  My other driver is ability to get EVGA hybrid cooler soon, as I'd rather go this AIO route than a custom water system - this gives me the continued support and warranty when I swap to water cooling - you won't get the same with Nvidia (or others).
 
performance wise, I think a hybrid cooled FTW3 Ultra would consistently outperform a FE.
 
I'd say step up is the better way to go, that's what I would personally do.  if you go this way, do me a favor - Please wait till I get the hybrid cooler before you order yours :)
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 12:18:46 (permalink)
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Yeah the ftw3 is a reference board I think and the FE isn't.



The FTW3 is a custom design, FE is the FE custom design and some AIBs are using the reference design like Zotac.


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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 12:22:25 (permalink)
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For what its worth my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming overclocked easily and holds 1995-2080Ghz core and 10k ghz memory clocks.
 While staying around 70-75C on the aggressive fan profile. I haven’t been cross comparing the FE vs others but my benches are on the mods rig if you wish to compare those.
Port Royal stock on my card was 13k and overclocked I got just over 14k if you want my data points as reference.
all other games 4K/144hz & all max settings rtx/dlss on(where possible) and blur off (cuz F that stuff)
Hitman 2 Miami : 111fps
Metro Exodus: 65fps
shadow of the tomb raider: 81 FPS 
Doom eternal, new Ms flight sim, and any older gen stuff easily hit game engine threading or GSync limits.
VR is able to hold 144hz on most games if not then 120 no problem (HL:A)
Hope this helps!




I can second this- I see similar numbers on my 3090 FTW3 Ultra.. clocks between 1990 & 2115, average 2010 I think.  14,250 port royal scores, my temps are more in the 60's doing all this but I have good cooling.  Knowing I have advanced next-day RMA swaps & 5-year warranty with EVGA's support history, plus transferable 3-year if I want to upgrade gives me more comfort and resale value over a Nvidia FE that has no xferable warranty or limited support and service.  My other driver is ability to get EVGA hybrid cooler soon, as I'd rather go this AIO route than a custom water system - this gives me the continued support and warranty when I swap to water cooling - you won't get the same with Nvidia (or others).
 
performance wise, I think a hybrid cooled FTW3 Ultra would consistently outperform a FE.
 
I'd say step up is the better way to go, that's what I would personally do.  if you go this way, do me a favor - Please wait till I get the hybrid cooler before you order yours :)




Your numbers are much better than mine.  In PR, mine averages 1922 with an average temp of 64C.  Best PR score is 13,661 after trying a bunch of different things.   Personally, I'd rather have the FE card and be able to put a water block on it now and flash it with the Strix vbios.  


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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 12:44:52 (permalink)
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For what its worth my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming overclocked easily and holds 1995-2080Ghz core and 10k ghz memory clocks.
 While staying around 70-75C on the aggressive fan profile. I haven’t been cross comparing the FE vs others but my benches are on the mods rig if you wish to compare those.
Port Royal stock on my card was 13k and overclocked I got just over 14k if you want my data points as reference.
all other games 4K/144hz & all max settings rtx/dlss on(where possible) and blur off (cuz F that stuff)
Hitman 2 Miami : 111fps
Metro Exodus: 65fps
shadow of the tomb raider: 81 FPS 
Doom eternal, new Ms flight sim, and any older gen stuff easily hit game engine threading or GSync limits.
VR is able to hold 144hz on most games if not then 120 no problem (HL:A)
Hope this helps!




I can second this- I see similar numbers on my 3090 FTW3 Ultra.. clocks between 1990 & 2115, average 2010 I think.  14,250 port royal scores, my temps are more in the 60's doing all this but I have good cooling.  Knowing I have advanced next-day RMA swaps & 5-year warranty with EVGA's support history, plus transferable 3-year if I want to upgrade gives me more comfort and resale value over a Nvidia FE that has no xferable warranty or limited support and service.  My other driver is ability to get EVGA hybrid cooler soon, as I'd rather go this AIO route than a custom water system - this gives me the continued support and warranty when I swap to water cooling - you won't get the same with Nvidia (or others).
 
performance wise, I think a hybrid cooled FTW3 Ultra would consistently outperform a FE.
 
I'd say step up is the better way to go, that's what I would personally do.  if you go this way, do me a favor - Please wait till I get the hybrid cooler before you order yours :)




Your numbers are much better than mine.  In PR, mine averages 1922 with an average temp of 64C.  Best PR score is 13,661 after trying a bunch of different things.   Personally, I'd rather have the FE card and be able to put a water block on it now and flash it with the Strix vbios.  


can the FE even use the strix bios well with the two connectors? my friend flashed the strix bios on his 3080 and it supposedly unlocked the 450w+ power limit but it did nothing for his card, gpuz was reporting a 3rd pin drawing power when the card doesn't even have one? his scores decreased with the strix bios of 450w instead of the default 340wish max on the 3080 xc3.
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 12:51:01 (permalink)
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For what its worth my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming overclocked easily and holds 1995-2080Ghz core and 10k ghz memory clocks.
 While staying around 70-75C on the aggressive fan profile. I haven’t been cross comparing the FE vs others but my benches are on the mods rig if you wish to compare those.
Port Royal stock on my card was 13k and overclocked I got just over 14k if you want my data points as reference.
all other games 4K/144hz & all max settings rtx/dlss on(where possible) and blur off (cuz F that stuff)
Hitman 2 Miami : 111fps
Metro Exodus: 65fps
shadow of the tomb raider: 81 FPS 
Doom eternal, new Ms flight sim, and any older gen stuff easily hit game engine threading or GSync limits.
VR is able to hold 144hz on most games if not then 120 no problem (HL:A)
Hope this helps!




I can second this- I see similar numbers on my 3090 FTW3 Ultra.. clocks between 1990 & 2115, average 2010 I think.  14,250 port royal scores, my temps are more in the 60's doing all this but I have good cooling.  Knowing I have advanced next-day RMA swaps & 5-year warranty with EVGA's support history, plus transferable 3-year if I want to upgrade gives me more comfort and resale value over a Nvidia FE that has no xferable warranty or limited support and service.  My other driver is ability to get EVGA hybrid cooler soon, as I'd rather go this AIO route than a custom water system - this gives me the continued support and warranty when I swap to water cooling - you won't get the same with Nvidia (or others).
 
performance wise, I think a hybrid cooled FTW3 Ultra would consistently outperform a FE.
 
I'd say step up is the better way to go, that's what I would personally do.  if you go this way, do me a favor - Please wait till I get the hybrid cooler before you order yours :)




Your numbers are much better than mine.  In PR, mine averages 1922 with an average temp of 64C.  Best PR score is 13,661 after trying a bunch of different things.   Personally, I'd rather have the FE card and be able to put a water block on it now and flash it with the Strix vbios.  


people on reddit are saying the 3 pin bios' are placebo on 2 pin cards, which the 3090 and 3080 technically are right? 
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 12:54:56 (permalink)
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For what its worth my EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming overclocked easily and holds 1995-2080Ghz core and 10k ghz memory clocks.
...
Doom eternal, new Ms flight sim, and any older gen stuff easily hit game engine threading or GSync limits.
VR is able to hold 144hz on most games if not then 120 no problem (HL:A)
Hope this helps!


Thanks for posting this! Now if I could just get that email...
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 13:51:49 (permalink)
I forgot to factor in the 5 year warranty and 2-day cross ship RMA that I have from EVGA. I don't know how smooth  the warranty process is with NVIDIA.
 But seeing as how they just gave up on trying to sell the FE cards on their own site because of the logistics nightmare I didn't want to chance it. 
Luckily I won the battle with the EVGA website before the notification system was put into place. Best of luck to those who have yet to buy one, they sure do crank at 4k!
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 14:00:22 (permalink)
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So i currently have a 3080xc3 ultra, i bought that camping at microcenter for 20 hours on launch day. I wasn't going to buy one initially but after camping with my friend in line all night i decided to get one. I am currently in the step up to the 3090 EVGA FTW3, i signed up pretty early so hopefully in the next two weeks ill be able to step up.
 
My issue is i was afraid that the 3090 step up would take forever and it might be 1 month plus till i got a ftw3 3090, last week the 3090 FE went on sale on best buy. i was able to snag one and ill have it delivered shortly. Now my current issue is how much faster is a 3090 evga ftw3 card going to be? Overclocking wise? will it be faster? 
 
I love the look of the founders edition so much but at this price point every little percent matters since i already have a 3080. 
 
In the end i will either keep the 3090 FE and sell my 3080 to my brother at cost. Or step up to the evga 3090 ftw3 ultra and sell the extra 3090 to my best friend for cost. 
 
I am not looking to scalp. If i wanted to scalp i would of sold my 3080 for double the price instead of using it for a stepup. 
 
Anyone with a 3090ftw 3 ultra that can compare there card to the 3090FE? not many 3090 ftw3 ultra reviews out there. 


The 3090FE is excellent, as good as the AIB cards IMO and in some ways better since it exhausts air out the back. Much better than the 3080FE which is slightly underspec'd. I think you'd be wasting time and money selling the 3090FE.

While I'd take the 3080 FTW3 over the 3080FE, I'd probably take the 3090FE over the 3090 FTW3
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/13 17:36:44 (permalink)
I just got my 3090 FE in today. I'm very surprised I got a steady 2115-2130mhz clock at around 60c and it's super stable. I'm still in line to get a FTW3 Ultra when it's my turn and i'll send this one to my office, but this FE card really does shine!
 
Here are some screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/snVXZfw
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Re: EVGA 3090 ftw3 ultra vs 3090 FE 2020/10/14 12:02:13 (permalink)
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I just got my 3090 FE in today. I'm very surprised I got a steady 2115-2130mhz clock at around 60c and it's super stable. I'm still in line to get a FTW3 Ultra when it's my turn and i'll send this one to my office, but this FE card really does shine!
 
Here are some screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/snVXZfw


how much did you overclock your core and memory too? + what? thats crazy, what test was that screenshot timespy?
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