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Is there any news of an official XOC Bios coming for the 3080 Tis? Namely the FTW3 line as both the 3080 and 3090 got XOC Bios power limit increases after release of 400W>450W and 450W>500W respectively. I don't know how difficult this would be to implement and distribute on EVGAs part but a 500W XOC Bios for 3080 Ti owners should be given as an option as an increase from the 450W. On my 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Hybrid I successfully loaded an unofficial 1000W Bios and saw some pretty massive performance increases even getting the 38th spot in the 3D Mark Port Royale Hall of Fame for all 3080 Tis with the pretty average memory my card got binned (Max +800 memory or error correction kicks in). Due to the 1000W Bios having fan issues (Always at 1100 rpm minimum) and other minor inconveniences for quality of life improvements I reverted back to the default 450W Bios but would love an increase to 500W as that 1000W Bios let me increase my max core clock by up to +200 in some instances even reaching 2220 core sometimes as my card could reach voltages that weren't attainable in some instances before. Please release a 500W 3080 Ti Bios EVGA! Maybe Jacob can give some definitive answers on this topic.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 12:08 AM
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Pretty sure it's not going to happen, due to the way the card draws power. So much so that I bought a 3090.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:16 PM
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I know it's got room, power line 3 is at like 75-85w while 1&2 are over 150. I'm like 8pts shy of 14500 on air.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:19 PM
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Shraf2k I know it's got room, power line 3 is at like 75-85w while 1&2 are over 150. I'm like 8pts shy of 14500 on air.
Afaik that's due to the hardware configuration. You can't just program a bios that makes #3 draw more power. If it makes anyone feel any better, when the card is showing 425w it's actually at over 450w.
post edited by kevinc313 - Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:20 PM
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:21 PM
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I wonder if it's safe to just run 2 plugs? I'll run 2 & 3 and see if they both hit 150 then it's not hardware limited.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:25 PM
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Shraf2k I wonder if it's safe to just run 2 plugs? I'll run 2 & 3 and see if they both hit 150 then it's not hardware limited.
System shouldn't boot without all the plugs in place. If you are determined, there is the Galax 1000w bios. But due to how much #2 pulls already, there will likely not be an officially sanctioned 500w bios.
post edited by kevinc313 - Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:26 PM
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 2:28 PM
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Ugh... I can try and dig up the pigtail to try on plug one...
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 3:04 PM
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Shraf2k Ugh... I can try and dig up the pigtail to try on plug one...
Errr. If the card doesn't detect 12V on #1 it's going to go into protect/no boot. If the card is current limited on #1 it's going to go into protect. I'm thinking you need to beef up your knowledge level before you go throwing 500W+ into a video card.
post edited by kevinc313 - Tuesday, August 31, 2021 3:05 PM
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:57 PM
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Shraf2k Ugh... I can try and dig up the pigtail to try on plug one...
Errr. If the card doesn't detect 12V on #1 it's going to go into protect/no boot. If the card is current limited on #1 it's going to go into protect. I'm thinking you need to beef up your knowledge level before you go throwing 500W+ into a video card.
+1 .......some of the 3080 FTW3 Ultras are exactly the same (mine included) whereby Plug #3 never seems to draw more than 75w w Card total Draw at 400w regardless of 450w XOC Bios. Im done with it really, dont care. The Card will draw (according to GPUz 400w) under full load and OC's very well, so really in real world, not a big deal. For someone looking for that extra push in benchmarks I suppose so. The 3080Ti already comes with a 450w power draw limit on the OC Bios from what I understand, which is great. Kevin...yes I though I read somewhere thru the mountains of posts that although GPUz indicates say 400w draw, its actually +40w to 50w if using an actual voltmeter ? I have my 3080Ti now and will be installing WB and replacing my 3080.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:00 PM
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rjbarker although GPUz indicates say 400w draw, its actually +40w to 50w if using an actual voltmeter ?
Yes, it pulls at least 30w more than it reads in software.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:48 PM
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Shraf2k I know it's got room, power line 3 is at like 75-85w while 1&2 are over 150. I'm like 8pts shy of 14500 on air.
Afaik that's due to the hardware configuration. You can't just program a bios that makes #3 draw more power. If it makes anyone feel any better, when the card is showing 425w it's actually at over 450w.
Yes that stays the same no matter what bios you run including the Galax XOC. The bios/driver simply control how high the core voltage is allowed to go due to power limits and thermals.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:53 PM
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IMO an XOC bios isn't needed for this card. The 450w bios has plenty of power for gaming and there's always the Galax XOC for extreme OC benching. It's going to provide the highest performance anyway making any other XOC bios irrelevant.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 6:20 PM
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talon951 IMO an XOC bios isn't needed for this card. The 450w bios has plenty of power for gaming and there's always the Galax XOC for extreme OC benching. It's going to provide the highest performance anyway making any other XOC bios irrelevant.
Agreed, but even power draw at 500w would have been a nice touch and would allow sustained 2,100mhz.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 7:32 PM
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The "XOC" BIOS on the 3080 Ti FTW3 cards shipped on the OC BIOS since the beginning. 450W is going to be the maximum for this graphics card.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Tuesday, August 31, 2021 11:34 PM
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EVGATech_LeeM The "XOC" BIOS on the 3080 Ti FTW3 cards shipped on the OC BIOS since the beginning. 450W is going to be the maximum for this graphics card.
Which I think many of us feel is fine....glad its 450w vs 400w! As kevin pointed out...500w would have been great as well.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Wednesday, September 01, 2021 4:56 PM
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talon951 IMO an XOC bios isn't needed for this card. The 450w bios has plenty of power for gaming and there's always the Galax XOC for extreme OC benching. It's going to provide the highest performance anyway making any other XOC bios irrelevant.
Agreed, but even power draw at 500w would have been a nice touch and would allow sustained 2,100mhz.
500w wouldn't magically allow every FTW3 to sustain 2100Mhz. You'd still need to be lucky enough to get a really good chip and be on a custom loop and even then it's certainly not guaranteed.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Wednesday, September 01, 2021 5:27 PM
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talon951 IMO an XOC bios isn't needed for this card. The 450w bios has plenty of power for gaming and there's always the Galax XOC for extreme OC benching. It's going to provide the highest performance anyway making any other XOC bios irrelevant.
Agreed, but even power draw at 500w would have been a nice touch and would *allow* sustained 2,100mhz.
500w wouldn't magically allow every FTW3 to sustain 2100Mhz. You'd still need to be lucky enough to get a really good chip and be on a custom loop and even then it's certainly not guaranteed.
Well yeah. Obviously. But at least it would *allow* the possibility of it happening. Hence my use of the word *allow*. Right now the card won't hit 2,100mhz at 4K res unless it's a very light load.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Thursday, September 23, 2021 9:07 PM
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Which BIOS did you use for 1000w? KP?
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Thursday, September 23, 2021 9:11 PM
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If the 3080 TI basically has the same hardware as the 3090 minus the 12gb VRAM, it should be able to handle the 500w or even more with less heat and draw but with the same cores. I get they want it to be reliable etc but when you drop 3090 money, you'd like a choice.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Thursday, September 23, 2021 11:37 PM
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Thursday, September 23, 2021 11:47 PM
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Shraf2k If the 3080 TI basically has the same hardware as the 3090 minus the 12gb VRAM, it should be able to handle the 500w or even more with less heat and draw but with the same cores. I get they want it to be reliable etc but when you drop 3090 money, you'd like a choice.
Yeah it seems like an artificial/design nerf vs. the 3090 FTW3/KP. The $2K 3080 Ti Strix has generally even power draw and might respond better to the 1000w bios, I would guess the OC net thread has some info on it somewhere. I'm going for the real 500w 3090 FTW3 bios with hybrid kit, when I get aroundtoit, playing it safe and breaking in the card for the moment.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Thursday, September 23, 2021 11:55 PM
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Shraf2k If the 3080 TI basically has the same hardware as the 3090 minus the 12gb VRAM, it should be able to handle the 500w or even more with less heat and draw but with the same cores. I get they want it to be reliable etc but when you drop 3090 money, you'd like a choice.
Yeah it seems like an artificial/design nerf vs. the 3090 FTW3/KP. The $2K 3080 Ti Strix has generally even power draw and might respond better to the 1000w bios, I would guess the OC net thread has some info on it somewhere. I'm going for the real 500w 3090 FTW3 bios with hybrid kit, when I get aroundtoit, playing it safe and breaking in the card for the moment.
There has been one or more Strix owners that have run the 1kw bios. No difference other than the risk of blowing a fuse on the FTW3. I think the top water cooled PR score is from a FTW3. That person posts on Overclockers some.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Thursday, September 23, 2021 11:59 PM
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Shraf2k If the 3080 TI basically has the same hardware as the 3090 minus the 12gb VRAM, it should be able to handle the 500w or even more with less heat and draw but with the same cores. I get they want it to be reliable etc but when you drop 3090 money, you'd like a choice.
Yeah it seems like an artificial/design nerf vs. the 3090 FTW3/KP. The $2K 3080 Ti Strix has generally even power draw and might respond better to the 1000w bios, I would guess the OC net thread has some info on it somewhere. I'm going for the real 500w 3090 FTW3 bios with hybrid kit, when I get aroundtoit, playing it safe and breaking in the card for the moment.
There has been one or more Strix owners that have run the 1kw bios. No difference other than the risk of blowing a fuse on the FTW3. I think the top water cooled PR score is from a FTW3. That person posts on Overclockers some.
Yeah that's what I mean, I know the FTW3 will work (well?) with it, just risky.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Friday, September 24, 2021 2:25 AM
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kevinc313 Yeah that's what I mean, I know the FTW3 will work (well?) with it, just risky.
It really isn't if you stick to TS and PR. Neither will put the 2nd 8pin over 20 amps. I think the highest I saw was 18.xx with them (with the meter on "max" to see the highest peak). OTOH 4k benches like TSE will definitely go over 20 amps if the PL is above 47-48%. After that depends on the fuse lottery. LOL Edit: I should add, doesn't put *my* card over 20 amps.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Friday, September 24, 2021 2:45 AM
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I've hit 463w running port royal. Wish I saved the GPUz data for those runs so I could see where it spiked. I have the #1 spot for my combo, surprisingly, cores and memory DO have a significant effect on your PR scores despite what everyone says. I'm running a i5 11600k since I needed a stopgap till 12th gen/AM5 comes out, and 16gb 3200 cl16 OC'd to 3466 cl16. Basically doing 2 completely different builds this winter using parts from this, and parts not released yet. Getting my hands on a 3060 has been harder than 3080s and 3080 TIs honestly.
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Re: EVGA 3080 Ti XOC Bios Incoming/News?
Friday, September 24, 2021 5:44 AM
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kevinc313 Yeah that's what I mean, I know the FTW3 will work (well?) with it, just risky.
It really isn't if you stick to TS and PR. Neither will put the 2nd 8pin over 20 amps. I think the highest I saw was 18.xx with them (with the meter on "max" to see the highest peak). OTOH 4k benches like TSE will definitely go over 20 amps if the PL is above 47-48%. After that depends on the fuse lottery. LOL Edit: I should add, doesn't put *my* card over 20 amps.
Yeah I've been following what you've done with it, sounds cool and well considered, just too risky for me at the moment.
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