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2020/10/02 02:36:00 (permalink)
how do you guys feel about having backplate waterblocks becoming a mandatory part of the watercooling kit of 3090?
 

 
this person here reported the backplate temps @ 38~40c during gaming using Alphacool D-RAM block , i think for a top of the line gpu like FTW ULTRA/KP this should be included as part of the HC block
 
 
https://www.aquatuning.us...al-black-nickel?c=6480
 
 
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/02 05:26:31 (permalink)
If the components on the back would benefit, I don't have any problem with it.  Hoping that it's a little more integrated and doesn't require me to plumb it in.  Just my preference.


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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/02 06:10:01 (permalink)
Mandatory, no. Optional : Yes. Like said above, you would need to cool the back components, not the backplate. If the backplate isolate the heat and doesn't gather the heat of the components beneath it, then the 38 / 40°C the guy is talking about are totally irrelevant. 
Also, making it mandatory will increase more the price of the HC. And I think it would be up to each to say if they really need to spend more for something they wouldn't want in the first place.
 
Basically it's a matter of need vs desire. Do you need it : we can't answer for sure since there's no testing yet on that card for this idea. But it's easy to assume if the card work fine aircooled, then watercooled is just for confort or pushing the card farther than air can (though currently it seems the power limit is the issue, not the temperatures). But you would need to use LN2 to push it to the extremes anyway so there wouldn't be a real need for those types of waterblock. 

Now, can you want it : sure, you can desire it if you want. And if there's enough people wanting that, there'll be a product. There's already RAM blocks and HDD blocks, which only a handful of people would need, but that doesn't mean people don't want them even if they don't need it.
 
That's my two cents. :P
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/05 17:27:45 (permalink)
Here is my backplate:
 

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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/05 22:07:03 (permalink)
Ha! I haven't gotten my cards yet but I was thinking about exact same thing, I was going to stick NVME blocks on the backplates
 

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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 08:21:06 (permalink)
Mucho79
Here is my backplate:
 



I love everything I'm seeing in this thread! Just for kicks since we have you here, can you show us any meaningful gains you get in performance from this?
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 08:22:32 (permalink)
Also were you able to screw it down? Walk us through the mod if you've got the time
 
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 08:46:28 (permalink)
I took a Bykski Ram Cooler, drilled 4 holes into the backplate and mounted the cooler with 4 screws and some thermal paste. I don´t have a infrared thermometer, but my GPU temps are 3 - 5° C better. I know the guy from the first photo. Without the Ram cooler his temps on the backplate were at 53° C, after installing the the cooler the temps droped to 38° C on the backplate.
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 09:17:40 (permalink)
oh wow, my first thought was to fully cut out a hole in the backplate. I'm so glad I asked. How high can VRAM go before it's at an unsafe temp anyway? I find this hard to google
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 09:48:59 (permalink)
It would be cool if they made the waterblock for the hydrocopper flow to both sides.

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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 10:12:29 (permalink)
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It would be cool if they made the waterblock for the hydrocopper flow to both sides.

Aquacomputer does stuff like this

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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 10:58:16 (permalink)
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It would be cool if they made the waterblock for the hydrocopper flow to both sides.




Ya that would be more my preference.

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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 11:47:06 (permalink)
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Mandatory, no. Optional : Yes. Like said above, you would need to cool the back components, not the backplate. If the backplate isolate the heat and doesn't gather the heat of the components beneath it, then the 38 / 40°C the guy is talking about are totally irrelevant. 
Also, making it mandatory will increase more the price of the HC. And I think it would be up to each to say if they really need to spend more for something they wouldn't want in the first place.
 
Basically it's a matter of need vs desire. Do you need it : we can't answer for sure since there's no testing yet on that card for this idea. But it's easy to assume if the card work fine aircooled, then watercooled is just for confort or pushing the card farther than air can (though currently it seems the power limit is the issue, not the temperatures). But you would need to use LN2 to push it to the extremes anyway so there wouldn't be a real need for those types of waterblock. 

Now, can you want it : sure, you can desire it if you want. And if there's enough people wanting that, there'll be a product. There's already RAM blocks and HDD blocks, which only a handful of people would need, but that doesn't mean people don't want them even if they don't need it.
 
That's my two cents. :P




A 3090 XC3 was back-plate was hitting 97C in that same thread. GDDR6X max temp is 110C. 
 
If you think running video memory at 100C sustained is conducive to longevity, let alone any kind of overclock, youre out of touch with reality. 
 
Micron memory at max temp, what could go wrong? https://www.forbes.com/si...o-flames/#7a1c9c6a4958
 
This is the main reason I wouldn't get a 3090 variant that isn't compatible with Aquacomputer's active back-plate even if I was in the market for this overpriced trash (25% faster than 2080 Ti @ 1440p @ 375w for $1500-1800 is overpriced trash, I don't care if it's another 10% faster at 600w, that's ridiculous) 

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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 11:53:04 (permalink)
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how do you guys feel about having backplate waterblocks becoming a mandatory part of the watercooling kit of 3090?
 
 
 
this person here reported the backplate temps @ 38~40c during gaming using Alphacool D-RAM block , i think for a top of the line gpu like FTW ULTRA/KP this should be included as part of the HC block
 
 
https://www.aquatuning.us...al-black-nickel?c=6480
 
 




This is part of the reason I skipped the 3090 (aside from cost) is because I worried about the GDDR6x modules on the back and we already know they run quite hot. So I looked around at different block designs and none of them really addressed active cooling on the backside, they just offered at best a heatpipe for the back plate. I think active cooling would be the way to go for 3090s but you have to consider the amount of people who own a 3090 vs those who actively WC one are such a tiny subset of the market that it probably wouldn't be worth anyone's time to design and market such a block. 
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 12:27:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kingx11 2020/10/06 16:32:47


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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 16:33:07 (permalink)
i like this
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 17:31:53 (permalink)
Watercool is making an active cooling backplate for their waterblocks. I'm really hoping they make one for the ftw3.

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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 17:48:09 (permalink)
Do I need to buy a separate backplate with a hydrocopper block to add to a standard 3fan evga card such as 3080 Ftw3 Ultra???
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 20:04:33 (permalink)
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Watercool is making an active cooling backplate for their waterblocks. I'm really hoping they make one for the ftw3.


That would be sick!
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 20:07:45 (permalink)
Aquacomputer and Watercool have always been so legit
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/10/06 20:13:24 (permalink)
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how do you guys feel about having backplate waterblocks becoming a mandatory part of the watercooling kit of 3090?
 
 
 
this person here reported the backplate temps @ 38~40c during gaming using Alphacool D-RAM block , i think for a top of the line gpu like FTW ULTRA/KP this should be included as part of the HC block
 
 
https://www.aquatuning.us...al-black-nickel?c=6480
 
 




This is part of the reason I skipped the 3090 (aside from cost) is because I worried about the GDDR6x modules on the back and we already know they run quite hot. So I looked around at different block designs and none of them really addressed active cooling on the backside, they just offered at best a heatpipe for the back plate. I think active cooling would be the way to go for 3090s but you have to consider the amount of people who own a 3090 vs those who actively WC one are such a tiny subset of the market that it probably wouldn't be worth anyone's time to design and market such a block. 


hence why we need a new universal block
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/12/03 13:40:22 (permalink)
Do you know if the dram block comes with those screws he used already included? I’m going to do the exact same thing to my GPU.
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2020/12/08 14:38:26 (permalink)
The backplate on the kingpin feels like plastic.
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2021/01/12 23:30:30 (permalink)
MP5WORKS for any back plate
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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2021/01/17 20:28:25 (permalink)
EK is releasing one! Hopefully our cards get them.

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Re: Backplate Waterblock for RTX 3090?! 2021/01/21 08:42:35 (permalink)
you can choose EK
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