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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 21:57:19 (permalink)
I did not have an issue with a oc or stock on 8900 the 590 classified just got a lot of lag and very long to complete (over 16 hours). Huge drop in points due to long TPF and TPF was all over the place. I just pulled a 7663 on another rig so put beta flags in and just got 2 more 7663s.
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 21:58:46 (permalink)
I just noticed the 8900 wus when I the jump in ppd caught my eye. My 560ti stayed the same at 25k but my 660ti increased from 57k to 66k. Temps look like they are the same as the 7660 wus. They still have the periodic drop in usage but are 5 secs long instead of 1 second. They do seem to be less frequent. I'm running the unicore so there's plenty of cpu cycles to spare at 39% usage.
 

 
  
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 21:59:41 (permalink)
Haven't had any issues with my 480's. I am getting an average TPF at 7:53


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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 22:05:52 (permalink)
The KEPLERS do great but the FERMIS take a big hit. Temps remain the same and there is a huge lag with the 8900 that is not there with 7663. Not sure what all was done with the core change but I do know I can not run it on FERMI.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 22:06:17 (permalink)
What doesn't make since is Femi makes more PPD on WU's with NO QRB or k-factor than on WU's with.
Looks like someone just trowed in a fufu for Femi in core 17 to make the newer teh look like its doing
what its suppose to is all. lol
 

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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 22:09:23 (permalink)
My best time on 590 tpf 10 minutes. Never saw anything like you got. Some times tpf went to almost 14 minutes
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Haven't had any issues with my 480's. I am getting an average TPF at 7:53




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 22:18:04 (permalink)
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My best time on 590 tpf 10 minutes. Never saw anything like you got. Some times tpf went to almost 14 minutes
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Haven't had any issues with my 480's. I am getting an average TPF at 7:53



This sounds like what I was seeing on my 660Ti when running bigadv 24 core.
Even after gving the GPU 4 cores and dropping to 20 cores TPF was still all over
the place, but this was in a Linux setup. So its not just 590 with this problem.
Could be more the WU fault than anything, these are beta and should expect problems
and unknown/unusual things to happen.

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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 22:18:56 (permalink)
Yeah I have my 480s oc to 810/1614/1906 


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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 22:25:12 (permalink)
I'm sure core 17 isn't perfect yet and will have many more bugs that need to be worked out before it'll released prime time.

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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 23:17:24 (permalink)
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What doesn't make since is Femi makes more PPD on WU's with NO QRB or k-factor than on WU's with.
Looks like someone just trowed in a fufu for Femi in core 17 to make the newer teh look like its doing
what its suppose to is all. lol


I would not be comparing core 15 with 17
 
issues
old cuda library - no new cuda in core 15 - no JIT cuda compiler
so enhancements with kepler may not be fully utilized under the old cuda platform
 
core 15 never fully implemented the full power of kepler
as been said "when we get the new cuda core it will even be better than opencl"
 
further core 17 is BETA - and MAY NOT BE FULLY STABLE - hence it's still in beta undergoing beta testing
 

 
 
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/01 23:30:07 (permalink)
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What doesn't make since is Femi makes more PPD on WU's with NO QRB or k-factor than on WU's with.
Looks like someone just trowed in a fufu for Femi in core 17 to make the newer teh look like its doing
what its suppose to is all. lol


I would not be comparing core 15 with 17

issues
old cuda library - no new cuda in core 15 - no JIT cuda compiler
so enhancements with kepler may not be fully utilized under the old cuda platform

core 15 never fully implemented the full power of kepler
as been said "when we get the new cuda core it will even be better than opencl"

further core 17 is BETA - and MAY NOT BE FULLY STABLE - hence it's still in beta undergoing beta testing







Sorry I wasn't talking about Kepler at all I was talking about Fermi and with each new core since 2.22 that each new core has killed Fermi production more and more.
Plus had you read my other posts you would see I already said ZETA is not perfect "there for has issues" and that its still beta.
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 00:23:47 (permalink)
Im wondering if it has to do with the opencl support of the cards. Kelper and fermi would have different driver support coding, i would think. As far as the tpf jumps i spent alot of time watching my FHM monitor all week and never noticed more then a 5second tpf jump on any card frame to frame.


 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 00:31:40 (permalink)
In my case it seem to be with the OS Linux and the SMP WU I was folding, plus core 17 was jumping around to different cores unlike in W7 were I could lock the 17 core to a certain CPU core.

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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 03:18:04 (permalink)
I've had no problems with the 660ti.
The 560Ti though, farthest I got was 68% before it dumped. stopped it after folding for 24 hours, crashing 5 units and not completing any even after underclocking the card.
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 07:39:03 (permalink)
While I'm only getting 18.7K on my plain jane 560 at 810/1620/2005, it seems to be handling the 8900's just fine. It's the middle card between two OCed 680's on air so there's no room for OC on it. While I did bump the 680's down a tinch bit for the 8900's, the 560 is running at the same speed it was with the 7663's. One 680 is doing 94K and other other is doing 93K on the 8900's.
 

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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 07:51:05 (permalink)
both my 580 lightning's hate the 8900 w/u even at stock settings but my 570 o/c'ed to 890MHz just keeps folding them for around 38,000ppd both 580's are now on core 15.
 
ok the sweet spot for 580's is around 830MHz or so
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 08:51:33 (permalink)
currently upgrading to 320.18 driver.
system keeps on hanging since 8900s started.  going to give it a few more hours and if it keeps up, I'm going back to standard units. I can't afford to waste power, just had a 22% price increase in electricity!
 
5 hours later - fail. System still crashes.  I have noticed something though; it seems to crash about 5 minutes after I turn my screen off.  Not sure what that is about.  More testing for me today I guess.
<edit 2> definitely some funny business going on.  If I leave the screen on, I have no problems.  Within 5 minutes of turning it off BAM! - lockup.  Sometimes with a crash of the Zeta core as well.
Stumped as to what is causing it.
 
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 14:56:49 (permalink)
Since I'm only running one box I may have to switch out my 470's and put in my 660.

Folding whatever I can :o)     
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 15:01:17 (permalink)
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Since I'm only running one box I may have to switch out my 470's and put in my 660.


Doing so would probably give you better PPD at a lower cost per watt. 


 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/02 19:22:49 (permalink)
reading up over at FoldingForum I found this
 
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Re: New GPU core17 Project 8900 released for beta testing

by Quisarious » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:35 am
11:17:56:WU02:FS01:0x17:ERROR:exception: Error downloading array energyBuffer: clEnqueueReadBuffer (-36)

For what it's worth, for me, these are definitely OC related. I get these when I am two or greater steps beyond stability. When I'm one step beyond, I get the occasional 'Bad state detected, attempting to resume from last checkpoint'. At stable clocks I get nothing but net.

It is very easy to reproduce clxxxxx errors, just OC beyond stability. Go a ways above stable, and you can get them within 1-2% of progress =) (I haven't done this on purpose...but when 8900 was first released to internal, I had successfully completed >300 7663's without a single error, but the first 8900s, using the same OC settings on all 4 cards, produced clxxxxx (there's a while family, clEnqueueReadBuffer (-36) is most common) errors within 5%.)


I'd be happy if I got the error within 3-5%. I getting them at 40-60 % which means 3.5-6 hours wasted each time.

I've upgraded to the latest driver, and now dropping my clocks 20Mhz below reference to see if I can get something completed.  Going to experiment to day and if nothing happens, will go back to standard units.




 
 
  
                               
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 01:14:26 (permalink)
I've run a couple on my 570's moderately OC'ed with no problems.  They just take a long time.  I like quicker, smaller WU's so I can run all my GPU's and then shut down for a bit.
EDIT: Running 320.18 drivers with smp10 to leave some cores for the gpu's.
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 02:15:37 (permalink)
Well, I give up. seems no matter what I do, they crash on my rig.
I've completed one and crashed about 25 over the last day.
I have no idea what is wrong.
I was getting overclock errors
fixed that and then I get these instead
 
FS00:0x17:ERROR:exception: Error invoking kernel execFFT: clEnqueueNDRangeKernel (-5)
 
FS00:0x17:ERROR:exception: Error invoking kernel gridInterpolateForce: clEnqueueNDRangeKernel (-5)
 
FS02:0x17:ERROR:exception: Error downloading array energyBuffer: clEnqueueReadBuffer (-36)  - 46% completed
 
 
WU00:FS00:0x17:ERROR:exception: Error invoking kernel calcCenterOfMassMomentum: clEnqueueNDRangeKernel (-5) - 72% completed....
 
WU00:FS00:0x17:ERROR:exception: Error invoking kernel copyDataToBuckets: clEnqueueNDRangeKernel (-5) 31% completed
 
and so it goes on.
 
I have no idea.
If anyone wants to send this over to the beta forum, feel free.
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 03:15:15 (permalink)
I'm running these on a 470 and 660ti on two seperate I7 machines. Stock clocks. The I7 that has 8 threads for folding SMP has the 660ti and I have no issues with using all the cores while folding GPU and CPU at the same time. The 470 is in a 12 thread rig and that one I had to reduce to -smp 10 to get it to fold properly on the GPU.
The 8900's seem to favor Kepler much more than Fermi, but sacrificing some cores for the 470 works in my case. 

   
             
  
      
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 08:51:39 (permalink)
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Well, I give up. seems no matter what I do, they crash on my rig.
I've completed one and crashed about 25 over the last day.
I have no idea what is wrong.

I'm sorry for your troubles. It could be that the new programming is using a part of the gpu that has errors. Your only option may be to RMA. That's what I did and the new gpu has no errors and is 15 degrees cooler. Of course, I believe this is my third 560ti but who's counting.
 

 
  
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 09:45:30 (permalink)
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Win7 64 bit Service Pack 1 - fully up to date

nvidia driver 320.18


You have .NET 4.0 installed?

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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 10:22:41 (permalink)
Simba no offence bud but do you still think its an O/C problem when you in you other post said your-25mhz of stock and still having errors. I would say its rma time on that card. The only other thing i can say im running 320.00 nvidia drivers and they are working(think you said you on 320.14) but idk how much of a change driver make for 400-500 at this point as most release note mention 680-titan updates/fixes not to say that they couldnt be breaking old parts in the process.


 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 10:52:18 (permalink)
I've been running these WU's now for the last couple of days.  I'm only running a GPU client (my CPU is against crunching).  I have a 660Ti FTW Sig 2 with a +50 OC.  I've been 100% stable - running around 5:14/5:15 TPF
 
I do notice a lag, however, anywhere from 5 - 15 seconds, where utilization drops to 0%. 
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 16:39:07 (permalink)
Sorry for the late reply, being in Australia means delayed responses!
 
I'm pretty sure it's something with the software somewhere on my rig. These problems seem unique to me, certainly I have not seen anyone else mention them.
I have 2 cards, a 560ti and 660ti; the errors occur on both.  even when underclocked by 100Mhz.
 
I put them back on normal units Core15 openmmgpu and have not had any errors since.
 
I'm currently waiting for the 2 units running at the moment to finish, then I am going to uninstall V7, nvidia drivers , .NET 4 framework and try to re-install them and see what happens.
 
 


 
 
  
                               
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 16:46:19 (permalink)
I may have found the problem  
 

 


 
 
  
                               
 
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Re:Are 8900's that bad or do I have a problem. 2013/06/03 17:43:16 (permalink)
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I do notice a lag, however, anywhere from 5 - 15 seconds, where utilization drops to 0%.   

 
If this is happening on even percentages of the WU's progress, then it's just the core stopping to make a checkpoint.
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