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2014/05/12 09:28:05 (permalink)
 
 
Can someone with  GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper share their experience.
What I would like to know how it cools compare to air, but also I heard that the block itself is extremely heavy, and that's the turn off part for me, how that effects the motherboard  and PCI slots e.g. stressed due to weight, does the card bows in anyway, I like them to be  lined up straight.
With new upcoming X99 boards I might consider putting blocks on my 3 Titan Blacks, but I would hate to see any of 3 to bend due to  blocks been so heavy.  Anyone with originally purchased Titan Hydro Copper or if you have installed  water block afterwards, can you share your experience.
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/12 16:39:24 (permalink)
    I have 2 Titan Black Hydro Copper Signatures in SLI and couldn't be happier.
     
    At first I went 2 290Xs water cooled in cross fire.  With Koolance blocks I had zero bowing.  But in the end the 290x in CF was a horrible experience.  I was expecting so much but was only greeted with the infamous black screen of death syndrome that so many 290X users are having. I tried it all for a fix... Drivers, BIOSes, over/underclocking, over/under volting, new PSU...the works.  Nothing helped After a month of this crap the 290Xs went bye-bye.
     
    Then I went with 2 GTX 780 Ti in SLI.  Nice and Powerful. Cooler than the 290Xs. And No black screens. But I had horrible coil whine. Just horrible.  RMA'd 2 and the 2 new ones whined worse. :(   I also used Koolance blocks on these and had the slightest bowing.  Very slight. Nothing concerning and almost hard to see.  But the whine was too much so adios GTX 780 Ti cards.
     
    Enter Titan Black Hydro Copper Signatures.  These arrived last week. Faster than my 2 water cooled GTX 780i SLI (due to better voltage control and I believe binned cores for the signature series) and dead silent.  I love the peace and quiet now.  I also like the 6GB ram should games push that limit. No, not the smartest buy value wise on these cards, but I can tell you that I have no regret and I am now completely satisfied after months of GPU disappointment.
     
    As for the cards themselves I have no bending or bowing at all with the Titan Black Hydros.  I think the back plate helps and the numerous mounting points of the Swiftech block helps as well. I found 780 Ti bowed ever so slightly with an after market Koolance block on them.  But it was very slight.  Titan Black Hydros are totally straight.  
     
    I think the Koolance (and other brand blocks) post better VRM temps than the Hydro, but the Hydro is very supportive to the card and doesn't bow.  I've found my VRM temps acceptable so overall I am pleased. 
     
     
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/12 17:12:46 (permalink)
    I currently have two Hydro Blacks in SLI, and a Titan hydro for PhysX. I just put them in, and I may get another HB or make one from a SC depending on what's available when I have the money. I jumped from tri 480 and a 470 hydros to these. So far they work great. My temps for water cooling are idle in the high 20's and max so far as been just under 40, but only on games, no stress testing. No bowing, the blocks were bigger than the 480's, so I had to get some shorter SLI connectors, that's about it for trouble. I plan on having these a long time. The EVGA blocks are great and with the EVGA SLI bridge all of the lights work and have their effects.
     
    As for weight, they are heavy. I thought my Titan was a bad card for a bit. Turned out with the SLI connectors I had (2 mm to long) and being at the bottom of the GPU stack and wouldn't sit right in the PCI slot. Even with a screw in it. Shorter connectors solved the problem and now it sits nicely. The HB I fit fine and never slipped out. I am using a R4BE and PCI slots 1,3 and 4. Using the bottom screw really helps in keeping the cards from sagging, and in place.
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/12 17:46:57 (permalink)
     
     
    Just like I've been contemplating for a while if I should get the 3rd card and then I did, now I'm puzzled wheatear I should put them under water, I hope by the time X99 boards are out I will have my mind made up, so I hope. I hate to see cards that sag, it's hideous. I have seen 1 video with  2way Sli titan hydro copper, I'm sure there are more videos of other cards with water blocks, but the 1 I've seen it, the top card was hanging about 1/4 of the inch to words the bottom card, that just didn't look appealing. Now! why I mention EVGA's water block? because unlike other blocks that covering 3/4 and some not even that much of the PCB, EVGA's block covers pretty much the whole length of the board, it looks nice, but I've heard that they are extremely heavy and seen that video didn't help me been a bit skeptical. I also had few cards in the past that would sag right from the box, won't mention the brand, but that didn't help ether. I know the temperatures comparing to air cooling are  substantially lover,  now I have 3 Titans sandwiched, even thou temperature are pretty good, still there is no denial that high-end card will show its true potential when is under water.
    mdzcpa, when you get a chance and if it's not to much trouble, could you post some pic with your  cards setup.Thanks to both of you guy for your input.
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 01:37:53 (permalink)
    My 680 classy hydros were really heavy and sagged.  These 2 titan black hydros don't really sag like the classys did. Once you go under water, you'll never look back btw.  Dead silent and 60*??? Yes plz.


     
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 10:45:48 (permalink)
    Thanks to all for sharing your insights, and in particular -- to mdzcpa: quite a saga you've had, glad to see you've found the solution that suits you!
     
    Regarding the sagging boards -- I presume those were without back plates? I see that EVGA Hydro cards include a back plate, giving the card a "backbone" --  it surely helps to support the block's weight.
     
    I've been using three 680s with EK blocks and stock back plates, with zero sagging/bending. In fact, the three cards connected to EK 3-way bridge comprised a solid and sturdy block which aligned perfectly with the PCIe slots when inserted into the motherboard. Side note: the resulting assembly was so heavy that I hesitated to stand the case up with it in fear of breaking the motherboard slots :) took good care screwing the whole thing tightly with 6 mounting bolts, but it held pretty well since.
     
    Having recently been playing with a regular Titan with EK block + back plate I am also happy with how straight and solid the result is. I wish the manufacturers would make matching back plate a standard component of a water block they sell -- as GPUs get  much heavier with them. Thought I would include this photo just for kicks -- my three 680s with the blocks weigh over 8 lbs

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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 11:41:42 (permalink)
    Wow!! 8 lbs that's heavy, but also it does look sturdy.
    I was thinking that if you connect all 3 cards just the way you have on the picture it shouldn't bend at all, but the concern is also this broken PCI.
    Apparently that PCI break by holding big Sapphire card.
    I think getting to that point you have to do more than just sticking you heavy cards into PCI, could have been damaged  prior to installing the cards.
    Anyways, getting of topic, I never though i would consider water cooling my PC again as from privies bad experience, but I'm very tempted again
    Thanks for the input
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 12:26:23 (permalink)
    How are EK blocks weight compare to EVGA's blocks. I like EVGA blocks for the reason that they cover the entire PCB, unlike other brands cover only portion of it.
    Any pros-cons for choosing 1 over the other brand, cost is not the issue here so if there are water blocks that others would consider the best but to expensive what would they be,  or its more personal preference, keep in mind i never had water blocks so I'm totally new in this area.
    Also,  I do leave my PC on 24/7, would that make a difference going water, will that potentially cause issues?
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 12:36:39 (permalink)
    Ouch that broken PCIe slot photo looks painful and scary. I am actually thinking about crafting some additional support bracket for my video cards, similar to the one offered by the CoolMaster HAF X case, but extending from the other end of the cards (where the power plugs are). Here is the HAF X accessory I am talking about:
     

     
    I am also new to water cooling and have only had experience with the EK blocks -- which BTW are full-cover blocks, covering/cooling other chips on PCB besides the GPU. 
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 12:51:53 (permalink)
    It will probably help, no doubt, but the thing is if you looking to have your components exposed in nice ascetic way than any supporting brackets will spoil the look, but i guess that depends on some ppl's  different taste, I'm just anal and careful with all my stuff, not just electronics, after 20 years of been married, my wife got used to it
     
     
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 12:54:46 (permalink)
    I am also new to water cooling and have only had experience with the EK blocks -- which BTW are full-cover blocks, covering/cooling other chips on PCB besides the GPU

    Are there different blocks, or that's what you mean. The backplate does covers the whole PCB, but the block itself seems to cover 3/4 of the PCB, comparing to EVGA's that covers the whole thing on both sides.
     
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 19:41:46 (permalink)
    Check this setup with EK blocks, looks pretty nice and straight
    I read some reviews on those particular blocks and people seem to favor them, definitely something to consider
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 20:27:01 (permalink)
    There are versions of EK blocks with the plastic part covering the entire board (and the metal part covering about 3/4 as in the one you've pointed to). This is the block I have, it's compatible with the reference Titan, GTX780 and GTX780ti:
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22130/ex-blc-1581/EK_GeForce_780_GTX_Ti_VGA_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_Nickel_Acetal_EK-FC780_GTX_Ti_-_AcetalNickel.html?tl=c613s1928b133
     

     
    It works (and looks) great with the matching EK back plate (which reinforces the PCB and passive-cools the 3GB of VRAM located on the back of the card):
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21974/ex-blc-1576/EK_GTX_Titan_780_780_Ti_770_VGA_Liquid_Cooling_RAM_Backplate_-_Black_EK-FC780_GTX_Ti_Backplate_-_Black.html?tl=c613s1928b133

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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/13 21:23:09 (permalink)
    I see, yes that is quite nice block and because the metal  doesn't go all the way to power connectors, yet the plastic part covers rest of the PCB might contribute  why this block doesn't bend like I've seen with EVGA's hydro copper, so i assume that would work with my Titan Blacks, would be nice if by the time I'm ready they would have this with nice Titan Black logos on their backplates.
    If you get a chance and you have them installed, don't be shy to post some pictures
    Was it difficult to install, do you use close or custom water loop, when time comes I'm going to work on some fancy custom loop, my privies water setup only for CPU was h100i that leaked while i was gone to visit my relatives for 2 days, what a mess i tell you that was
     
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/14 17:04:55 (permalink)
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     mdzcpa, when you get a chance and if it's not to much trouble, could you post some pic with your  cards setup.



    here you go.  nothing fancy.  not for show, but highly effective.
     

     

     
    These cards are nice and straight
     

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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/14 18:01:15 (permalink)
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     mdzcpa, when you get a chance and if it's not to much trouble, could you post some pic with your  cards setup.



    here you go.  nothing fancy.  not for show, but highly effective.
     
     
     
    These cards are nice and straight
     




    Wish I could get my setup to look that neat. But function over form has left me a mess. Looks nice.
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2014/05/14 18:21:35 (permalink)
    here you go. nothing fancy. not for show, but highly effective.



    These cards are nice and straight
     

     
     
     
    They are nice and elegant. You know what i do to help the cards from sagging, and I don't see to many people do that, I try to connect the cables coming from the top to connectors, instead of them coming from the bottom pulling the card down, that's just me
    I am really torn between EVGA blocks and EK that seem to be nice to. Originally I want the EVGA and from what I see, obviously there is a way to install them straight.
    Nice setup, I like your ram cooler to. 
     
     
    post edited by AWK16 - 2014/05/14 18:42:54
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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2015/07/21 16:20:23 (permalink)
    still building my new reg and i have 4 titan black hydro coppers but with ek wb heres a pic or 2

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    Re: Anyone with GTX TITAN/TITAN Black Hydro Copper 2015/07/26 06:41:06 (permalink)
    hello,
     
    I am running  3 way SLIed 780 Ti with EK full cover waterblocks (= Titan blocks) for 1+ year without a problem.
     
    In the older times (80s) at least some PC cases came with the ability to use brackets for larger extension cards (huge ST506, acquisition cards, I even had minimalist internal UPS cards with batteries !) ; never understood why this feature disapeared, particularly in enthousiast PC cases. But some workstations (Dell, HP....) still use such brackets, and many second hand Quadros are sold on eBay with brackets.
     
    post edited by schmorblatz - 2015/07/26 06:43:55

    why make it simple when it can be complicated ????
     
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    rig 3, 4 5, etc. : uninteresting !
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