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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 19:01:23
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you should check out gtx 580 sli vs 6970 sli . the gtx 580 when sli are full speed and the 6990 are two downclocked 6970 . so it doesnt work, it has to be 2 gtx 580 vs 2 6970. Even if you tell me the 6990 is OC to match the speeds of two normally clocked 6970 in SLI it doesnt work because the 2 GPU on the same PCB are slightly slower due to them being on the same PCB and having them being controlled by a microchip.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 19:02:32
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Of course two GTX 580's will smoke a 6990. 580's in sli is 1000$ so it better perform, which it does.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 19:10:24
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I'm not saying the AMD card is going to be drastically improved, but watching some videos, I saw that framerate was very unstable. I'm convinced AMD's GPU drivers are to blame, so they'll probably be improve a little... however, AMD never does seem to make their drivers even near perfect in the GPU spectrum.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 19:27:01
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Here we go again...... 
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 19:31:38
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Here we go again......
It will be interesting to see what Nvidia comes out with. I was convinced that GPU manufacturers would not release a reference card that would be over the PCI-SIG spec of 300 watts. Welp...AMD proved that supposition wrong and I expect Nvidia will do the same. That, makes a dual GF110 part more likely IMO.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 19:38:56
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I hear the 6990 is a great product if you are looking for a new leaf blower.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 20:09:43
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Here comes ATI fanboys arguing that it is the fastest single card... then Nvidia fanboys argue that it isn't a single card... then ATI fanboys argue that it is a single card... and on and on and on again.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 20:19:50
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Here comes ATI fanboys arguing that it is the fastest single card... then Nvidia fanboys argue that it isn't a single card... then ATI fanboys argue that it is a single card... and on and on and on again.
Well it's a single card dual GPU which I think a fair comparison would be to another single card dual GPU solution. Hopefully Nvidia will have one out soon. I believe that performance will be similar in some respects but I predict that Nvidia will still over power AMD in tessellation and DX11 performance at a somewhat higher cost and TDP. YMMV.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 20:21:38
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Here comes ATI fanboys arguing that it is the fastest single card... then Nvidia fanboys argue that it isn't a single card... then ATI fanboys argue that it is a single card... and on and on and on again.
But when the GTX 590 comes out and if it is faster than ATI's dual GPU card, then NVIDIA fans will argue that it is a single card since it only uses one PCI-E data slot and what is contained on the card doesn't matter to the argument. This has happened over and over again and the arguments are always "correct" depending on which side of the fence you happen to be sitting on at that time.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 20:49:41
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It is a forgone conclusion the 590 will be faster. The question is pricing. ATI just helped a bunch of people get a 590 for cheaper cause the 6990 is 700 to 750. Nvidia cannot then put theirs out at 800 and hope to do well with it. They will have to actually sell theirs for the same price making AMD lower the price for the 6990 which them means single cards like the 580 and 6970 should get cheaper too. Does not matter as I have more graphics power than I need, but still competition is good even in the ultra high end. And yes Nvidia drivers are better than AMD drivers. I know I have used both.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 21:13:07
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I hear the 6990 is a great product if you are looking for a new leaf blower.
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I'm still laughing.  Well we can only wait now to see what Nvidia decides to do, the move is in their court and AMD isn't making it easy. We should know more next week but I can bet they are now finalizing what decision they are going to make to specs as we speak. I'm sure it's intense meetings going on. I added the link to my original post to show it came from Benchmarkreviews.com where I got those benchmarks. Good website for info. Thanks Hemi for reminding me to give credit where credit is due. As for pricing I truly hope this forces some lowering prices by sparking a price war. It's nice when consumers have stronger options than manufacturers as they bid for our loyalty and money on the table we bring. Here's to wishing in one hand and......wait.....here's to just wishing. We know which hand would fill up quicker if I finished that sentence. 
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 21:48:33
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 Already on NewEgg Sapphire, HIS, Gigabyte, XFX, and PowerColor are out of stock first day. $709-750. Seems AMD fans already gobbling it up. The AMD Radeon HD 6990 requires two 8-pin PCI-Express power connections. AMD suggests TDP power demands are 375 watts using PowerTune with the BIOS set to 830MHz, or 450 watts when set to 880MHz. Alot of juice. I sooo can't wait for GTX 590 debut so I can make my final decsion on which route I'm going, step up or another GTX 580. Here is the kicker AMD does not support warranty if you OC your card via software or even the Dual-BIOS switch on the card if it's damaged. I might understand overclocking from software but even the Dual-Bios switch they built on it?! WOW.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 22:38:32
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Nvidia will win in performance, drivers and the length of the card. where they will lose is the power consumption and price ( prob lose money per GPU sold like the 295 ) .Im not stating heat and noise because I think they were opting for middle 90 mm fan on GPU like the 295 coop but slightly bigger. Better cooling but crappier airflow inside the case.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/08 23:20:05
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Here comes ATI fanboys arguing that it is the fastest single card... then Nvidia fanboys argue that it isn't a single card... then ATI fanboys argue that it is a single card... and on and on and on again.
But when the GTX 590 comes out and if it is faster than ATI's dual GPU card, then NVIDIA fans will argue that it is a single card since it only uses one PCI-E data slot and what is contained on the card doesn't matter to the argument. This has happened over and over again and the arguments are always "correct" depending on which side of the fence you happen to be sitting on at that time.
Yup, that is truly the irony of the arguments. They are all really correct. I have learned to not get in the middle of that madness anymore. I just buy the best "SINGLE GPU" card I can find. I have never had much luck with either dual GPU card solutions or SLI/Crossfire. I like some 580 single just fine.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/09 02:46:52
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It is a forgone conclusion the 590 will be faster. The question is pricing. ATI just helped a bunch of people get a 590 for cheaper cause the 6990 is 700 to 750. Nvidia cannot then put theirs out at 800 and hope to do well with it. They will have to actually sell theirs for the same price making AMD lower the price for the 6990 which them means single cards like the 580 and 6970 should get cheaper too. Does not matter as I have more graphics power than I need, but still competition is good even in the ultra high end. And yes Nvidia drivers are better than AMD drivers. I know I have used both.
Yes they can and will put out 590 at 850-1000 USD for four resons. 1. Cherrypicked GPUss means more expensive. 2. Extremely limited production of ony 1000 cards in total make card even more expensive. 3. This is not a card for average Joe that cant do SLI, it is madse for bench and break down 6990 and in that segment price means nothing and sale is irrelevant for this 1000 unit limit card as i suspect all the 1000 card is sold already day 1. For average Joe EVGA has a dual GF114 comming that is only card you willl find in stepup and outside of retail-stores. 4.6990 is 7000 USD and nvidias component is more expensive,m two 580 is 1000 USD and 2 6970 is only 340USD for cheap brand.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/12 13:36:44
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no offense but your an idiot, of course the 6990 is going to get the same amount of frames as everything else in 1080p or lower resolutions. you need to see a benchmark where is uses 1600p. it smokes the 580s and anything else by alot. so quit being so biased. i hate biased people just because they have a favorite company. losers, just so you know im not biased, i own gtx 580's, gtx 295, ati 5970, 5870, 6870, gtx 570, and so on all the way down to the 7300gs.
No offense? I love that just cause you say "no offense" then it's to an excuse to say what want you want 'with' offense thinking it doesn't go against forum rules LOL. My benchmarks were acurate at the resolution they were benched at therefore deal with it. Now what you said is true but has no bering on what I posted and is something completely different. Post your benchs and make a point that is also valid, no need to break forum rules by posting with insults. As your fist post? Your off to a AMD fan boy remark. Won't last long on these forums. Trust me.
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/12 15:58:38
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Here comes ATI fanboys arguing that it is the fastest single card... then Nvidia fanboys argue that it isn't a single card... then ATI fanboys argue that it is a single card... and on and on and on again.
But when the GTX 590 comes out and if it is faster than ATI's dual GPU card, then NVIDIA fans will argue that it is a single card since it only uses one PCI-E data slot and what is contained on the card doesn't matter to the argument. This has happened over and over again and the arguments are always "correct" depending on which side of the fence you happen to be sitting on at that time.
Yup, that is truly the irony of the arguments. They are all really correct. I have learned to not get in the middle of that madness anymore. I just buy the best "SINGLE GPU" card I can find. I have never had much luck with either dual GPU card solutions or SLI/Crossfire. I like some 580 single just fine.
I agree but SLI is amazing with the 400/500 series almost linear scaling get the best single gpu u can and SLI it I went SLI and never looked back
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/14 10:46:07
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It does beat it but not by as big of a margin as you a portraying. Also from what I understand and according to a Article at Chip Hell.com They might have to set back the clocks of the GTX 590 to around the 600Mhz level. If this is true that in it's self could change the out come.... or at least make it come allot close. Another point is also that a Duel card is never as good as two cards (Example 2x6970>6990 and GTX 580 SLi Proabably > GTX 590) So I wouldn't call it quits just yet! Would also like to add.... that Crossfire (In this gen) is scaling better then SLI It seems. Especially at higher Resolutions were it has already been proven that the 6970 Crossfire can beat GTX 580 in allot if not most games. (Talking about the high single Res/ Triple monitors and the such Were Enthusiasts tend to play more anyway!) No Fanboyism here just stating facts! I would bet when the GTX 590 releases you will see allot closer competition then we all think. I have a feeling we will see the 6990 win some as well as the GTX 590 win some.... one will be stronger then the other sure.... But not by very much! Chip Hell Article..... http://www.chiphell.com/forum-viewthread-tid-173539-from-portal.html I can promise though who ever gets the crown.... It will be a very exciting month!!! Can't wait to see both!!!
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Re:AMD 6990 Benchmarks - against SLI GTX 570 and 580
2011/03/14 22:21:28
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At least you made an intelligent point. Debate is great and always welcome. Including a pro Nvidia web site forum, for those of us with intellect anyways. At higher res or more than three monitors your mostly right. Post the benchmarks always interesting to see. AMD has excelled in higher res, three monitors and slightly better gains on crossfire than Nvidia on SLI. I feel most gamers (a bigger percent) are at lower res 1920X1200 or dual monitors at most, where the Nvidia excels at. Each have their strengths. Everyone has different set ups which determines which card may be better for them individually. There is no cookie cutter 'best' GPU, but then again I am honestly partial per my set up. P.S. That website you linked us to is in Japanese or Chinese. If there is an English version I'd like to see it.
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