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2020/09/15 08:22:25 (permalink)
Hi

It’s actually CPU & GPU upgrade time. My primary activity is Flight Simulation and the new Flight Simulator 2020, P3D, and X-Plane are being pushed to their limits. Unfortunately, I have not had time to properly review the new CPU’s. I am considering these two new CPU’s.

1. $768 - Intel Core i9-9940X Skylake X 14 Core
2. $849 - Intel Core i9-10940X Cascade Lake 14 Core


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CPU: Intel 7800x Skylake
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    jasoncodispoti
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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/15 08:28:38 (permalink)
    Something to keep in mind is that Flight Simulator 2020 is currently using DX11 which does not scale well past x4 cores/threads. Low core count and high frequency are going to be much better for improving performance on that game/sim. You could possibly see a decrease in performance going with a higher core count processors depending on per core performance vs what you currently have, just have to do some research.    
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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/15 10:44:43 (permalink)
    True.  I also fly on Prepare 3d v5 which is running D12 and it kills my PC.  That is a greater prompt for me to upgrade right now.  Plus X.Plane 11.5 just released with Vulcan.  So I am just trying to stay ahead of the game.
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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/16 20:41:24 (permalink)
    I am real keen on Space Engineers.  When I first played it I used an EVGA B360/9600k Micro Gaming and a 1050 Ti.  I struggled to find low enough settings to not burn down my PC.  I got a RTX 2070 Super (Black) which was a huge improvement, but still a major hurt on the 9600k.  I fat-fingered the pins on the B360 (Gaming? Not!) so in goes an EVGA Z370M, update the BIOS and finally the 9600k shows what it can do.  Maxing out on 1080p, no worries, 1440 I have minor performance problems.  Fast forward and I finally get a i9-10920x for my EVGA X299 micro 2.  Plug in my 2070S and I cannot get a rise out of the fans while maxed out 1440p and some resource hog mods.  I guess it is now time to try 4k.
    Does my little story translate to X-Plane?  Not knowing, I could not say.  I have not played a flight sim since USB killed my collection of game port acce$$ories.  Why am I here, then?  To sing the praises of x299 and 10920k.  And I got X-Plane on sale recently so I am looking forward to your stories. ;)
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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/17 17:53:57 (permalink)
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    Why am I here, then?  To sing the praises of x299 and 10920X.



    Speaking of 10920X what are your temperatures like, please?
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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/18 03:21:21 (permalink)
    jasoncodispoti
    Something to keep in mind is that Flight Simulator 2020 is currently using DX11 which does not scale well past x4 cores/threads. Low core count and high frequency are going to be much better for improving performance on that game/sim. You could possibly see a decrease in performance going with a higher core count processors depending on per core performance vs what you currently have, just have to do some research.    


    Considering the i9-10940X clocks higher then the i7-7800X, the i9-10940X has more cache and is built on the 14++ nm process, plus the IHS is soldered on the i9-10940X for better heat transfer. The only thing is to find one at a good price.

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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/18 14:21:30 (permalink)
    ZoranC
    Speaking of 10920X what are your temperatures like, please?

     
    I have mine stable at 4.6GHz all cores on a 1.165 VCORE on a X299 FTW.  I'm using a Corsair H150i Pro RGB 360mm Rad AIO, sits in the 30's idle, never really goes past the mid 50's gaming.  And when I hammer it doing Hand Brake encodes with all fans at 100% along with the pump (~2800rpm) it never goes past 75 even in warm room air from summer, usually peaks around 68-72.  Rad is front mounted with the 3 fans in a push config.
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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/18 20:47:01 (permalink)
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    True.  I also fly on Prepare 3d v5 which is running D12 and it kills my PC.  That is a greater prompt for me to upgrade right now.  Plus X.Plane 11.5 just released with Vulcan.  So I am just trying to stay ahead of the game.


    Do you have a runs for Fire Strike Ultra, Time Spy Extreme and Port Royal? If you do, post a link to them and I'll run my i9-10940X with my 2080 Super and we can compare how each CPU does.

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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/18 23:15:14 (permalink)
    ZoranCSpeaking of 10920X what are your temperatures like, please?

    I will post some numbers soon.  I am still tinkering a lot with this Silverstone TJ08-E case.
    Plus, I got a Covid-19 test earlier this week.  The result was "negative" but my body begs to differ - my brains are mush.
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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/19 02:59:27 (permalink)
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    Hi

    It’s actually CPU & GPU upgrade time. My primary activity is Flight Simulation and the new Flight Simulator 2020, P3D, and X-Plane are being pushed to their limits. Unfortunately, I have not had time to properly review the new CPU’s. I am considering these two new CPU’s.

    1. $768 - Intel Core i9-9940X Skylake X 14 Core
    2. $849 - Intel Core i9-10940X Cascade Lake 14 Core


    CURRENT BUILD:
    CPU: Intel 7800x Skylake
    Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark




    Every rig struggles on MSFS 2020 in certain locations / weather conditions. 
     
    Like you my rig uses a 7800X and X299 Dark. I don't use MSFS 2020, but I do use DCS in 5K and 4K VR. I have it pegged at 4.8GHz all core, @1.31V, stable, cool. I can see how moving to 14nm++ would help a bit. But I don't see how adding cores beyond 6 will help at all. So for much faster you would have to look at a platform jump. From Comet Lake you can get 10600Ks for not much to OC at 5.0GHz stable. Or for more money, users with 10900K are reaching 5.0-5.2GHz. Otherwise Zen 3 is rumoured to have c.5% boost clock increase to c.4.9GHz and c.20% IPC improvement on Zen 2. Announcement October 8.
     
    I don't think I would be spending $768 or more on a CPU upgrade for X299 HEDT platform no matter how much I like my X299 Dark motherboard.

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    Re: ADVISE - CPU Upgrade 2020/09/25 14:12:33 (permalink)
    I have a 10900X at 5 GHz all-core Prime95 stable. The 10920X / 10940X / 10980XE are better bins with higher Turbo Boost 3.0 ratios. You can do 4.8 GHz all-core on these CPUs on stock voltage simply with all-core turbo. I would either get the 10920X to keep temperatures low and overclock to 5 GHz all-core, or go straight for the 10980XE and run 4.8 GHz all-core at stock voltage. The 10940X doesn't seem worth it given the 10980XE is available at $999 today.
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