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Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:56 AM
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Ok, so I have been waiting on the Starcraft 2 beta for a while, haven't got in yet, but I have downloaded the game and installed it. Much to my surprise, SC2 is the first game to actually have one of the settings not fully up with my 9800GTX. Oddly enough everything is default on Ultra except textures, which is set to high, one step below Ultra. The game explains that this setting is directly due to the memory on the card. VRam. The games explanations: Low: 126mb Medium: 256mb High: 512mb Ultra: 1024mb Now, I haven't played the game yet to see if bumping it from high to ultra will really give me any lag but to be honest, this is the first time my card hasn't given me full settings by default and I don't like that so I want to switch, even if its only due to the cards memory. So I was looking at the new GTX cards and was ready to plunk down 350 bucks, but don't want to if I don't have to. So I looked at the GTS models and the price tags are nice. Now on to the meat, along the lines of stats this is how the cards stack up. Effectively the cards are almost the same in every aspect. The differences: The GTS 250 has a shader clock of 1782 while the 9800 GTX has only 1690. The GTS 250 has 1GB of memory while the 9800GTX has only 512. Everything else is pretty much the same. This says to me that the card is actually just a little better. I come to you guys to find out if this is true. Are there things that aren't posted on EVGA that have an effect? I don't want to buy a card only to find out its inferior to the one I have. I just have this tendency to always want the best but in this case it seems like it might not be needed as the card I have is great save for the ram. Thanks in advance guys. If you want links to both cards on newegg here you go: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130514 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339&cm_re=9800gtx-_-14-130-339-_-Product I look forward to your replies.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:02 AM
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i would just hang on to the 9800 until the next wave of price drops that are inevitably going to happen when the gtx400 series launches.. also if you wait for 400 you are gonna see a lot of people getting rid of nice 200 series cards so you might get lucky with a good deal there too. and since SC2 isn't going to be officially launching any time soon waiting shouldn't be an issue.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:05 AM
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Where did you download this?
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:15 AM
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thor88, as I said, beta is out now. I just didnt get an invite yet and to the knowledge of the starcraft forums they arent done yet. Last night they were still getting keys out to the blizzcon attendees. If I get in beta, I want everything on ultra by default. robotsociety9, there are many links to it on the starcraft forums. Here is one such link: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23307930724&sid=3000
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:22 AM
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The 9800GTX and GTS250 is the same card, just rebranded.
Fun Fact: Some 9800GTX's will actually SLI with the GTS250. Not all, but some, its hit or miss.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:24 AM
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Ok, so I have been waiting on the Starcraft 2 beta for a while, haven't got in yet, but I have downloaded the game and installed it.
Much to my surprise, SC2 is the first game to actually have one of the settings not fully up with my 9800GTX. Oddly enough everything is default on Ultra except textures, which is set to high, one step below Ultra. The game explains that this setting is directly due to the memory on the card. VRam.
The games explanations:
Low: 126mb
Medium: 256mb
High: 512mb
Ultra: 1024mb
Now, I haven't played the game yet to see if bumping it from high to ultra will really give me any lag but to be honest, this is the first time my card hasn't given me full settings by default and I don't like that so I want to switch, even if its only due to the cards memory.
So I was looking at the new GTX cards and was ready to plunk down 350 bucks, but don't want to if I don't have to.
So I looked at the GTS models and the price tags are nice.
Now on to the meat, along the lines of stats this is how the cards stack up.
Effectively the cards are almost the same in every aspect.
The differences:
The GTS 250 has a shader clock of 1782 while the 9800 GTX has only 1690.
The GTS 250 has 1GB of memory while the 9800GTX has only 512.
Everything else is pretty much the same. This says to me that the card is actually just a little better.
I come to you guys to find out if this is true.
Are there things that aren't posted on EVGA that have an effect? I don't want to buy a card only to find out its inferior to the one I have.
I just have this tendency to always want the best but in this case it seems like it might not be needed as the card I have is great save for the ram.
Thanks in advance guys.
If you want links to both cards on newegg here you go:
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339&cm_re=9800gtx-_-14-130-339-_-Product
I look forward to your replies.
To answer your original question, the GTS 250 is a slightly better card (same card really). IMO not enough difference to buy one for what would be at most, 2 or 3 FPS difference
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:25 AM
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Ya bud thanks for the link now I just have to find a beta key :) Been signed up on battle.net as long as they have had it up. Yes the GTS 250 and 9800 GTX are the same thing. It is just re branded.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:30 AM
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I am gonna get a 250.
My reasoning:
Since my card and the 250 are the same but the 250 gives me the vram I need to default Starcraft on ultra for textures I am going to buy it. The 9800GTX has run every game on default until now and since its just the ram and this upgrade fixes it, then thats what I am going to go with.
For once I am not going to waste my money and get the top of the line for no reason.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:48 PM
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Oradon
Thanks everyone for the replies. I am gonna get a 250.
My reasoning:
Since my card and the 250 are the same but the 250 gives me the vram I need to default Starcraft on ultra for textures I am going to buy it. The 9800GTX has run every game on default until now and since its just the ram and this upgrade fixes it, then thats what I am going to go with.
For once I am not going to waste my money and get the top of the line for no reason.
You obviously don't understand hardware fully, you are in fact wasting your money. The VRam has very little to do with actual performance. I suspect the card to perform almost identical to your old card, but whatever floats your boat i guess.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:43 PM
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I personally would either get now or wait and get at least a GTX 260. I was trying to make the same decision as you for a long time, and almost got a GTS instead, however I have loved my 260 and not regretted getting it for a second. If you are going to spend over $100 either spend some good money or wait and help yourself out future proofing.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 0:20 PM
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It would not be the greatest idea to go from a 9800GTX to a GTS 250. Both card are nearly identical. The 9800GTX+ is the EXACT same card. The only difference is the GTS 250 is available in 1GB version and the 9800GTX+ is not.
A GTX 260 would be the BEST upgrade for you. If you buy used I see them on craigslist in my town all the time for around $150, sometimes less then that. A GTS 250 would be a complete waste of money even if you did purchase the 1GB version.
Pay the extra $50 and get a GTX 260.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 12:06 AM
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You guys are not understanding that I understand that they are pretty much the same card. My 9800GTX runs everything flawlessly, even crysis. No games out there tax my card. I suspect that Starcraft 2 wont either. THe only problem is the fact that according to blizzard if I want ONE SETTING, which is textures, on Ultra the card needs 1Gig of ram. I am not looking for an upgrade. I would only be looking for that if games were actually taxing the card aside from its ram and they are not. I just need more ram. Hell, if they made a 9800GTX with 1Gig of memory on it I would just switch to that, and from what is posted here that is exactly what the 250 is. Here, I took a screen of the setting so you see what I mean. http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/virtualcrush/Texture.jpg As I said, everything else defaults to ultra. The only thing that seems to hold my card back is the memory, which I will alleviate with a 250.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 12:52 AM
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Those ultra settings would probably work just fine on your 9800 GTX. My GTX 275 is rolling with 896 mb of vram and checking precision while in game the Starcraft II beta maxed out has yet to break 600 mb in use.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 12:58 AM
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Well if he is buying the 250 just for the 1024 memory ,then the 260 wouldnt do him any good because it only has 896.Does the game let you set it on ultra?
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Friday, February 19, 2010 1:11 PM
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I have a GTX 275 896 mb and it lets me use ultra and I've never seen it use more than 600 mb on my card.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 1:19 PM
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 I understand what you are saying. They are recommending that you don't use the ultra setting due to lack of video memory available to store the texture data in. But I suggest that you try using the ultra setting with your 512mb of video memory first before spending money on a 1024MB card which pretty much will provide little of an upgrade other than increasing video memory. Just because they recommend that you have 1024MB of video memory when using ultra setting doesn't necessarily mean that the ultra setting won't work with less video memory. You may see a drop in performance, but it will likely still work properly. You will have to see how poorly it works in ultra setting with 512MB of video memory in order to decide if it is worth spending money on a 1024MB card.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 2:31 PM
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Oh yeah, I can set it on ultra and all, but if the game is suggesting high instead of ultra I am sure I will see a performance hit, even its its small I don't want a performance hit.
I do intend to try it it one way or the other though.
They need to give me a key. ROFL
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 2:36 PM
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Oh, I thought you already had a key and just weren't even trying ultra. My roomie has a 9800GTX+ 512 mb, perhaps I'll log in and try it on his compy.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 2:40 PM
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Turns out I was wrong. His 9800 GTX is 1GB...
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Friday, February 19, 2010 3:11 PM
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Well, the first line in my original post was:
Ok, so I have been waiting on the Starcraft 2 beta for a while, haven't got in yet, but I have downloaded the game and installed it.
I am very interested in how it will run on a computer that defaults everything to ultra but the card used only has 512mb of memory.
If anybody has this similar set up and is in beta, let me know.
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Friday, February 19, 2010 6:14 PM
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Funny you would waste 150 dollars on a video card with zero performance increase just for a beta of a game.
What a waste of money and stupid logic.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 7:12 PM
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Funny you would waste 150 dollars on a video card with zero performance increase just for a beta of a game.
What a waste of money and stupid logic.
Ditto. I can't think of a WORSE reason to buy a new almost identical card. You have to realize the software devs have to draw lines somewhere. Based loosely on generally accepted ideals. Such as the amount of VRAM needed to run at X setting. Basically what everyone is saying here is that you are willing to spend $150 for no reason other than so your screen will say "Recommended: Ultra" on it in a beta game whether or not your 512 card actually plays at the Ultra setting just fine or not... Is this accurate? OCD much? Joking aside, I agree your logic is swiss cheese at best. If you have cash to waste why not go buy a 295 FTW? You said you have a habit of always wanting the best; the 250 is nowhere near the best. Heck, I've seen brown box (OEM) GTX260's (core192 probably) for $149... Ultimately in the end it is your money and your choice so do what you feel is right. Well drop me a PM when you get your 250 and I'll buy your 9800GTX from you.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 8:25 PM
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thor88, as I said, beta is out now. I just didnt get an invite yet and to the knowledge of the starcraft forums they arent done yet. Last night they were still getting keys out to the blizzcon attendees. If I get in beta, I want everything on ultra by default.
Sorry, didn't realize that you wanted to max out a non-optimized game that is still a beta...
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Friday, February 19, 2010 10:52 PM
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Wow, now everyone is getting pissy on me, lol.
It wont cost me 150 bucks after I sell my card for one. For two a 9800GTX is still just fine to run everything on max settings. If the extra ram gives me full performance for the roughly 100 dollars it will cost in the end, to me its worth it.
Not a single game yet has hurt me performance wise.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:10 AM
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Wow, now everyone is getting pissy on me, lol.
It wont cost me 150 bucks after I sell my card for one. For two a 9800GTX is still just fine to run everything on max settings. If the extra ram gives me full performance for the roughly 100 dollars it will cost in the end, to me its worth it.
Not a single game yet has hurt me performance wise.
You are completely missing the point, and completely ignorant. You will still be spending 100 dollars for no reason. We are here trying to save you money, but since you already made it very clear that you are going to buy the card anyway just so your e-peen is satisfied, then go ahead. We tell you the facts, and you call us wrong. If you knew everything to begin with then why are you here wasting our time? Go buy your 1024MB video card so your game can say you are qualified for ultra settings. Whether you get any performance increase or not, at least your e-peen will be satisfied right?
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:48 AM
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If your willing to spend $150 for almost no performance increase. Why not get another 9800GTX for $135, SLI them together and almost double your performance for less money.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
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If your willing to spend $150 for almost no performance increase. Why not get another 9800GTX for $135, SLI them together and almost double your performance for less money.
Yeah but he would have to get another 9800gtx with 512 memory to sli them and still he would only have 512 memory.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:51 PM
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Unless you are running a display over 1900x1200, I wouldn't think the memory difference would make any difference unless you are running two displays as one for the wrap-around effect. Damn the in-game warning.
That said, I have a 9800GTX+1G that I modded with a zalman cooler and mem heat sinks, if you are interested. ;-)
Really, though. If you switch up cards now, I think your buyer's remorse will be severe. Wait a quarter. You won't be sorry.
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Re:9800 GTX Vs. GTS 250
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Sorry to bump this so late but I was researching the same thing. Now I don't own a 9800GTX, I own a 7900GTS. I also got into the SC2 beta and of course all my settings are on Low.
I wasn't sure whether I should purchase a 9800gtx or the gts250. All I want is a card that will run the game on max settings, the cheapest upgrade I can get that will do so. I plan on upgrading again once Diablo III is released, by that time DX11 will be involved and I will have to upgrade again anyway. The price difference is about $40. What do you think?
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