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So, I have the Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL. Great case. As large as Vermont. As planned, the radiator for the GPU was top mounted blowing out. The fans on the CPU Radiator (the gie-mongus Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420) are mounted on the front and serve as the main source of intake. You can see the Arctic cooler and a smidge of the top of the case here:  Note: the card is the Asus 3070 I gave to my daughter So, I vertically mounted the 3090 Hybrid after I replaced the OEM fans on the rad with Corsair ML Pros. I top-mounted the GPU rad and let 'er rip. You can see the build here (prior to cord management and LED tuning): So, here's what the hub bub is all about: see that first picture, at the top you can see a mesh cover over the top of the case. Here's a better pic: That seemingly inconsequential mesh covering was causing my temps to ramp up to 72C! It was nearly hot to the touch. On a whim I removed the mesh. (With the case this is a breeze to do. Kudos to Fractal Design for making quality cases!). Now, temps only go to 62C during heavy gaming. I gained 10C by just removing the mesh! Fans are quieter, too. So, to summarize this PSA, the Hybrid 3090 likes to breathe. Let it.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/15 14:12:13
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So was replacing the hybrid stock fans with ML Pro's a visual choice or for performance? Did you test both? I'm curious what your thoughts are.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/15 14:50:25
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I'd add the stock fans back in, push pull, and you should be into the 50C's. Put them all on a powered fan hub with control from the card. Not sure if you have an option for bottom of main chamber intake, as that can help too. I would not be surprised if you were partly intaking air from the back of the case.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/15 17:30:23
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Nike_7688 So was replacing the hybrid stock fans with ML Pro's a visual choice or for performance? Did you test both? I'm curious what your thoughts are.
More for noise than performance.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/16 14:20:18
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One thing to keep in mind: Yes, your radiator will get better airflow without a dust filter, but if you don't use one, not only will you allow dust into your pc, but it will clog up the radiator itself too. So even if you get better temps right now when not using a filter, eventually they will get worse as the radiator gets clogged up. You can clean a radiator pretty easily, but getting it out of the case and back in can be a pain. There is also a sort of "sweet spot" where dust filters are concerned, between allowing too much airflow (and therefore dust) through and allowing too little (which will catch more dust but will constrict the airflow too much). Some cases go overkill on dust filters/mesh, and some don't have enough. Not sure where yours falls with respect to that.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/16 21:39:54
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Ciddharthas One thing to keep in mind: Yes, your radiator will get better airflow without a dust filter, but if you don't use one, not only will you allow dust into your pc, but it will clog up the radiator itself too. So even if you get better temps right now when not using a filter, eventually they will get worse as the radiator gets clogged up. You can clean a radiator pretty easily, but getting it out of the case and back in can be a pain. There is also a sort of "sweet spot" where dust filters are concerned, between allowing too much airflow (and therefore dust) through and allowing too little (which will catch more dust but will constrict the airflow too much). Some cases go overkill on dust filters/mesh, and some don't have enough. Not sure where yours falls with respect to that.
The intakes are filtered (3x 14cm fans on my Arctic LC II). The fans on the hybrid rad are blowing out on top. I’m guessing, with the filters removed on top, air flow is increased and dust accumulation is less of an issue.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/16 22:53:19
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Ciddharthas One thing to keep in mind: Yes, your radiator will get better airflow without a dust filter, but if you don't use one, not only will you allow dust into your pc, but it will clog up the radiator itself too. So even if you get better temps right now when not using a filter, eventually they will get worse as the radiator gets clogged up. You can clean a radiator pretty easily, but getting it out of the case and back in can be a pain. There is also a sort of "sweet spot" where dust filters are concerned, between allowing too much airflow (and therefore dust) through and allowing too little (which will catch more dust but will constrict the airflow too much). Some cases go overkill on dust filters/mesh, and some don't have enough. Not sure where yours falls with respect to that.
This would completely depend on whether your case has positive pressure (ie higher pressure inside = blow out dust) or negative pressure (lower pressure inside, sucks in dust). Will depend on your fan configuration as well as how airtight your case is....
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/17 10:52:47
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Ciddharthas One thing to keep in mind: Yes, your radiator will get better airflow without a dust filter, but if you don't use one, not only will you allow dust into your pc, but it will clog up the radiator itself too. So even if you get better temps right now when not using a filter, eventually they will get worse as the radiator gets clogged up. You can clean a radiator pretty easily, but getting it out of the case and back in can be a pain. There is also a sort of "sweet spot" where dust filters are concerned, between allowing too much airflow (and therefore dust) through and allowing too little (which will catch more dust but will constrict the airflow too much). Some cases go overkill on dust filters/mesh, and some don't have enough. Not sure where yours falls with respect to that.
This would completely depend on whether your case has positive pressure (ie higher pressure inside = blow out dust) or negative pressure (lower pressure inside, sucks in dust). Will depend on your fan configuration as well as how airtight your case is....
Positive/negative pressure only affects whether you have dust coming into your pc through holes that don't have fans in them. If a fan is blowing air into your computer, it's going to be blowing dust too. That dust will get caught by filters, by the radiator, or will get blown into the pc. Some of it will also get blown out of the pc, but the bottom line is that if you don't have a filter, some of that dust is going to settle on the interior of your pc. Positive pressure does not guarantee that all of the dust that comes into your pc will also get blown out.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/17 11:39:22
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Ciddharthas
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Ciddharthas One thing to keep in mind: Yes, your radiator will get better airflow without a dust filter, but if you don't use one, not only will you allow dust into your pc, but it will clog up the radiator itself too. So even if you get better temps right now when not using a filter, eventually they will get worse as the radiator gets clogged up. You can clean a radiator pretty easily, but getting it out of the case and back in can be a pain. There is also a sort of "sweet spot" where dust filters are concerned, between allowing too much airflow (and therefore dust) through and allowing too little (which will catch more dust but will constrict the airflow too much). Some cases go overkill on dust filters/mesh, and some don't have enough. Not sure where yours falls with respect to that.
This would completely depend on whether your case has positive pressure (ie higher pressure inside = blow out dust) or negative pressure (lower pressure inside, sucks in dust). Will depend on your fan configuration as well as how airtight your case is....
Positive/negative pressure only affects whether you have dust coming into your pc through holes that don't have fans in them. If a fan is blowing air into your computer, it's going to be blowing dust too. That dust will get caught by filters, by the radiator, or will get blown into the pc. Some of it will also get blown out of the pc, but the bottom line is that if you don't have a filter, some of that dust is going to settle on the interior of your pc. Positive pressure does not guarantee that all of the dust that comes into your pc will also get blown out.
He's using the GPU rad with the air flow going OUT of the case. All that filter was doing was IMPEDING airflow through the rad, it was not acting as a filter. Paying attention to direction of airflow is importing when making an argument. 'Positive pressure does not guarantee that all of the dust that comes into your pc will also get blown out.' That's not the idea behind positive pressure. Positive pressure is so that dust is not sucked into the case. It is not to blow dust OUT of the case. This is why you use filters on the INTAKE so dust does not enter the case. This is why you have more CFM as intake air than you do exhaust. So that clean filtered cooling air is intake and warm air is exhausted.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/17 12:17:30
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Ciddharthas One thing to keep in mind: Yes, your radiator will get better airflow without a dust filter, but if you don't use one, not only will you allow dust into your pc, but it will clog up the radiator itself too. So even if you get better temps right now when not using a filter, eventually they will get worse as the radiator gets clogged up. You can clean a radiator pretty easily, but getting it out of the case and back in can be a pain. There is also a sort of "sweet spot" where dust filters are concerned, between allowing too much airflow (and therefore dust) through and allowing too little (which will catch more dust but will constrict the airflow too much). Some cases go overkill on dust filters/mesh, and some don't have enough. Not sure where yours falls with respect to that.
This would completely depend on whether your case has positive pressure (ie higher pressure inside = blow out dust) or negative pressure (lower pressure inside, sucks in dust). Will depend on your fan configuration as well as how airtight your case is....
Positive/negative pressure only affects whether you have dust coming into your pc through holes that don't have fans in them. If a fan is blowing air into your computer, it's going to be blowing dust too. That dust will get caught by filters, by the radiator, or will get blown into the pc. Some of it will also get blown out of the pc, but the bottom line is that if you don't have a filter, some of that dust is going to settle on the interior of your pc. Positive pressure does not guarantee that all of the dust that comes into your pc will also get blown out.
He's using the GPU rad with the air flow going OUT of the case. All that filter was doing was IMPEDING airflow through the rad, it was not acting as a filter. Paying attention to direction of airflow is importing when making an argument. 'Positive pressure does not guarantee that all of the dust that comes into your pc will also get blown out.' That's not the idea behind positive pressure. Positive pressure is so that dust is not sucked into the case. It is not to blow dust OUT of the case. This is why you use filters on the INTAKE so dust does not enter the case. This is why you have more CFM as intake air than you do exhaust. So that clean filtered cooling air is intake and warm air is exhausted.
Oh jeez I'm an idiot. Yeah I totally misread his post and was thinking his gpu rad was blowing air in. Yeah I take back everything I said. You definitely don't want a filter on fans that are expelling air from the case. Humble apologies.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/17 13:53:11
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If it was me, id put the triple in the roof since its exhausting air anyways and your CPU doesn't need a triple radiator. Id put your 3090 on the front of your case so its getting fresh air without the heat wash from the CPU. Then I would put a fresh air fan intake on the very top of the front of your case to provide cooler air for your CPU cooler. I've never understood the dust filter on the top of a case since you're blowing air out of it.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/17 18:55:10
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spiffy_1 If it was me, id put the triple in the roof since its exhausting air anyways and your CPU doesn't need a triple radiator. Id put your 3090 on the front of your case so its getting fresh air without the heat wash from the CPU. Then I would put a fresh air fan intake on the very top of the front of your case to provide cooler air for your CPU cooler. I've never understood the dust filter on the top of a case since you're blowing air out of it.
The air from the GPU rad is too spicy. It would probably raise my internal temps 10C.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/17 18:57:52
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Ciddharthas Oh jeez I'm an idiot. Yeah I totally misread his post and was thinking his gpu rad was blowing air in. Yeah I take back everything I said. You definitely don't want a filter on fans that are expelling air from the case. Humble apologies.
No worries mate.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/17 19:24:46
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spiffy_1 If it was me, id put the triple in the roof since its exhausting air anyways and your CPU doesn't need a triple radiator. Id put your 3090 on the front of your case so its getting fresh air without the heat wash from the CPU. Then I would put a fresh air fan intake on the very top of the front of your case to provide cooler air for your CPU cooler. I've never understood the dust filter on the top of a case since you're blowing air out of it.
Top mount works good if you have push pull and other unobstructed intake fans. Component and system temps stay low unless the CPU is running at 200w+. This setup is nice and it is what it its, but not optimal. The huge rad does keep intake temps reasonable and gaming cpu power is usually under 100w, but it doesn't have the greatest intake air flow rate.
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Re: 3090 FTW3 Ulltra Hybrid: The radiator likes to breathe.
2021/07/18 08:20:36
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Nice thanks I'll so be on the gpu rad in about three weeks, if evga queue doesn't move. Put the same 420 freezer in the new case at the front also as a intake,,Love it put the hoses on the bottom and the cold plate barely just barly was long enough for the socket. So I'll have to verticaly mount the gpu wc too I suppose. New gpus are bigger guess I'll go red if I have to tic toc tic tok :( https://www.sapphiretech....x-6900-xt-ee-16g-gddr6
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