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2017/04/20 19:43:01 (permalink)
Hi guys. I am proud owner of 2 1080ti units but as of this moment I have my old 980 inside because this sudden drops and skips killing me. I can't play with ever 2 seconds it skips few frams so fast MSI afterburner or EVGA tools not reading this dropped frames in graphs. 
 
I am tried to fix problem by myself and then with help of Tomshardware community and then Nvidia community. Can't 
 
If you can please take a look at following forums for my topic:
 


 
In there you can see Video with what I see and what is happening. I mean is it Micro Stuttering to begin with ? OR something else.
 
As of right now I don't know what to do other than return cards as defective because I do not see answer right now and cards are in the bin (look in nvidia forum for a photo :D )
 
Out of more than 20 hours of troubleshooting we came out to this. For some reason card GPU power is spiking. When 980 is in and I am running let's say Tipe Spy I am getting consistent 100% GPU power and from that GPU activity is at 100% at all times pushing every frame it can. With 1080ti in SLI or by itself Power is spiking therefor GPU activity is spiking and skipping frames, in actual game same thing with 980 power is consistent as well as GPU activity even when not at 100% picture is smooth. Please IF you can take a look on forums for charts.
 
Also I did search and I see A LOT of people with similar problems but I don't see a single solution. I mean people suggest MAX performance in Nvidia control panel but I did that on 3rd minute of troubleshooting. I am on 20th hour now. I mean I am almost at the point I am looking in to VBIOS updates from other vendors and cards. May be using Nvidia VBIOS vs EVGA (don't know if FE edition of both VBIOS are diffirent).
 
Please help. I'll give you 2 charts one with 980 installed another with 1080ti installed. Look at GPU Usage activity and most importantly GPU power. In one it's nice and smooth in another is spiking like there is no tomorrow.
 
Thank you in advance guys !
 
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/20 19:50:57 (permalink)
Please list your full specs including monitor.
 
Are you running windows 10 creators update?
 
Can recommend changing the following in the Nvidia control panel under manage 3d settings:
 
Multi-display/mixed gpu acceleration
Prefer single display
 
Power Management: Prefer maximum
 
 
Please also realize and understand SLI is an old tech.  It is going away.  3 way and 4 way are not supported.  2 way still needs the game developer support.  This is due to the amazing power of 1 gpu.  Look at my specs and I run all games at ultra settings, with one gpu.  When Volta comes, SLI will be gone.
 
I say all this not to be rude.  But SLI causes frame latency and lag issues.  On new machines with new monitors it is more noticeable, as you can see the micro stutter.  I know, I had it with some very high end 980ti matrix cards.  No setting nor config change fixed.
 
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/20 19:53:19 (permalink)
Listing specs could help. Also its SLI you are dealing with. Try running a single Ti for now and see how things are. Do this for both 1 at a time for you know both cards are okay for now. 
 
Power Management: Prefer maximum
 
Per game basis maybe. Don't do it globally or the card will not downclock doing regular tasks. 

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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/20 20:20:15 (permalink)
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Listing specs could help. Also its SLI you are dealing with. Try running a single Ti for now and see how things are. Do this for both 1 at a time for you know both cards are okay for now. 
 
Power Management: Prefer maximum
 
Per game basis maybe. Don't do it globally or the card will not downclock doing regular tasks. 




Thank you so much for your answer. Suggestion about SLI is totally valid and before going SLI I am trying to see if single card will work and I actually mentioned it in OP. Yes after initial SLI setup didn't work I too one card out and tried just with one card. I tried to swap cards, I tried Slot 1 and Slot 3 in my Edition 10 board. I tried forcing Gen3 PCIX in Bios vs Auto. I really tried a looooot of things.
Now here are my specs.
 
Monitor: ASUS PG278Q (Connected via DP. I tried on 60, 144 with and without G-Sync on/off)
CPU: i7 6850K running at stock speeds.
GPU: Nvidia 1080ti FE EVGA
Mobo: ASUS Edition 10 with latest available BIOS
RAM: 32 GB DDR Corsair Dom . Platinum.
SSD: Samsung 950 Pro
PSU: Corsair AX860
 
There you have it.
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/20 20:28:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby EVGATech_DavidR 2017/04/23 08:31:21
Picture from your video...
 

 
Did your system tray have all those software programs running while testing with the 980?
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/20 21:36:28 (permalink)
CPU usage maxed?  I can't read the charts, just throwing it out there.
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/20 21:47:53 (permalink)
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Picture from your video...
 

 
Did your system tray have all those software programs running while testing with the 980?




OMG.... why do you have so many programs running in your system tray?  Also, you mentioned you tried one 1080 Ti, what were the results, did the stutter go away?

 
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/20 21:59:15 (permalink)
I am not sure why screen shots are so small. No single ti or in SLI, still problem. On top of that I've been playing Andromeda and I guess with all troubleshooting I didn't play it as much because same thing happened with 980 not. I am playing for about an hour and all of a sudden I see skipping , just like with 1080ti. I looked at monitoring. Sure thing GPU power and usage spiking when for an hour it was not. Damn it. Take a look
 
 
Also about programs. Everything that you see on task bar is May be ... MAY BE 5% of CPU in most cases it's not even that. But everything or most getting closes anyhow. If you look at what it;s actually is, everything is essential and things like Steam, GOG, Origin, usb icon, gpu-z, ms cloud, networking, volume, torrent app, few aida 64 icons , basically nothing that I can say there there you have it. But regardless I am not sure if anyone actually went to other forums but I reformatted and clean install Windows because no matter what I did nothing was working.
 
Damn it I thought 980 is working perfectly. I mean it did for years. I don't know what to think now because I thought it's 1080ti issue and now after playing for a while it started to happen with 980 as well ... don't know what to think.
 
I'll bring one card with me to work tomorrow. I have X58 system and X99 system at work. I'll do some testing there as well if I can.
 
on other forums posting img gives out perfect resolution, in here I can hardly see it .....
 
Thank you guys !
 
P.S.
Just FYI It's not bottleneck even with 2 1080ti or not PSU issue I checked with KILL A WATT, I saw once 700WATT in it and that was like max max and I am sure 6850K can handle couple ti on fresh installation.
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/20 22:57:08 (permalink)
I went to the other forums. You said you were planning to do a reinstall of windows onto a spare hdd. Is that what you ended up doing, or did you re-install onto your ssd? 
 
Close everything on your system tray except for origin before you being to play mass effect andromeda.
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/22 20:26:12 (permalink)
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I went to the other forums. You said you were planning to do a reinstall of windows onto a spare hdd. Is that what you ended up doing, or did you re-install onto your ssd? 
 
Close everything on your system tray except for origin before you being to play mass effect andromeda.




I was about to and .... I found solution without actually finding problem. I disabled and removed all applications that running in the background including things like AIDA64 and MSI Afterburner. Things like Kaspersky is disabled and not running, also steam and uplay store and GOG. Basically nothing is running. And I just clocked 4 smooth hours with Andromeda game that pretty much I play ATM and I care about. I'll try to connect my second ti and will try again. I really hope I wont break anything. 
 
Thank you guys.
 
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1080ti FE have 8pin and 6pin connectors. In my case I have extenders that I use. So let's say one pin is no good for whatever reason, extender disconnected somehow or it just got bad , no matter, just one out of 15 pins. Will card boot ? Because I am thinking may be it's a damn cable not sending enough power that's why PSU or video card compensating , like I don't know what to think. Because you've seen how much stuff I had running. I mean years and years with Nvidia and high-end systems and never has such issues. I mean I had pad PCI slots , bad PSUs , BAD cpus and everything is somewhat simple to diagnose and because in most cases I have multiple systems to work with I and finding solution pretty quickly.
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/22 23:29:47 (permalink)
From the looks of it with all those programs open even if not using allot of CPU cycles they did eat a ton of memory resources.  You where probably doing allot of swapping to you hard drive and in that case caused the stuttering.


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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/23 06:11:59 (permalink)
Uplay has FPS overlay turn it off, Windows 10 has game DVR turn it off. Uninstall Geforce Experience if you have it. If you use Xbox app turn off DVR. Are you using a HB bridge? Don't have a million apps running in the background. Try Win 10 creators edition with game mode on it prioritizes resources to gamming.
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/23 13:50:11 (permalink)
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I was about to and .... I found solution without actually finding problem. I disabled and removed all applications that running in the background including things like AIDA64 and MSI Afterburner. Things like Kaspersky is disabled and not running, also steam and uplay store and GOG. Basically nothing is running. And I just clocked 4 smooth hours with Andromeda game that pretty much I play ATM and I care about. I'll try to connect my second ti and will try again. I really hope I wont break anything.

Glad I was able to help you fix your problem. 
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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/24 17:24:22 (permalink)
Sounds like you got it resolved, but if it does come back...  I had a similar issue that would come and go.  Ended up being a bad spot on a 500gb SSD that wasn't very old.  Whenever a background program behind the scenes was accessing or writing to that part of the SSD i would get a hitch.  I was able to find the section and just partitioned that bad spot out and the drive is good.  Something to test if your problem comes back would be a different drive to rule it out.

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Re: 1080Ti FE Micro Stuttering Problem, can't fix tried everything. 2017/04/24 22:31:06 (permalink)
Seems to be working fine. AIDA64 Sensor Panel was to blame if I am correct.
 
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