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2011/02/19 10:02:53 (permalink)
My problem is when I try to run 3 way SLI in benches or gaming, my computer just shuts off and reboots, like someone restarts. If I take the 3rd gpu out, it does fine and doesn't crash. Do I have a faulty power supply?
 
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:12:34 (permalink)
    I have the same psu and lot's of others are using it. How old is it? Even the best sometimes goes bad. Good thing about Corsair is it's a 7 year warranty.

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:18:38 (permalink)
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    I have the same psu and lot's of others are using it. How old is it? Even the best sometimes goes bad. Good thing about Corsair is it's a 7 year warranty.

     
    Haha that's the bad thing. It's only 2 days old, just put it together Thursday night.
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:29:20 (permalink)
    see the 12v during load... u may have a faulty 12v line and u need to send it in for a rma. or seeing its only 2 days old return for an exchange to the seller... hope this helps
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:32:04 (permalink)
    are you overclocked on anything?

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:37:02 (permalink)
    Do you get any blue screens or hard locks, or does it just automatically reboot on you?

                                 
      
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:38:01 (permalink)
    Have you tried each card individually to verify they all work by themselves without issue?

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:42:14 (permalink)
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    Have you tried each card individually to verify they all work by themselves without issue?

    No I haven't as I have no issues with any 2 cards. It only crashes with 3 cards. It does no hardlocks or bluescreens, it just completely shuts off and reboots. All clocks are at factory, all I've done is enable XMP in the bios.
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:43:47 (permalink)
    I would do as Crap suggests, run them each individually.

                                 
      
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:44:38 (permalink)
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    Have you tried each card individually to verify they all work by themselves without issue?

    No I haven't as I have no issues with any 2 cards. It only crashes with 3 cards. It does no hardlocks or bluescreens, it just completely shuts off and reboots. All clocks are at factory, all I've done is enable XMP in the bios.

    Have you tried it without XMP?

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:52:12 (permalink)
    Yes I have tried it at 1333mhz with the OC Ai set to Auto. Still shuts off. 
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 10:54:49 (permalink)
    Try each card individually, you may have an issue with one of them.

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 11:21:52 (permalink)
    I run the same power supply and gpu's (minus the HD versions) as you so its defiantly not a lack of power.  Either faulty card or faulty psu would be my guess.

                                 
      
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 11:55:29 (permalink)
    I've tried each card individually and they all run fine on their own. Only when I put them in 3 way sli does the system restart. In dual SLI it doesn't restart so I'm at a loss. 
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 11:58:29 (permalink)
    What are you running/doing when the system restarts?

                                 
      
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 12:24:16 (permalink)
    Running 3DMark11 or gaming. Anything that puts any stress on the gpu's causes it to restart with anything more than 2 gpu's running.
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 12:34:45 (permalink)
    Probably not a problem with your power supply but it sounds like an issue with the cards drawing too many amps from the PCIe slots. When benching in sli mode keep an eye on your 12 volt voltage, if you see dips bellow 11.80 you must supplement your power going to the 12 line either with a mod to your 24 pin or perhaps get yourself an EVGA Power boost.

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 12:37:51 (permalink)
    I have found AIDA64 Extreme (formally Everest) to be pretty good for monitoring psu voltages.  I would suggest getting it and monitoring your system voltages while you bench and see if any are dipping.

                                 
      
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 13:22:52 (permalink)
    I guess it would've been worth mentioning beforehand, but I have already ran benches on this setup once and it did fine, also performed well in games. This problem just game up this morning when I went to run a benchmark. Wouldn't that indicate that it would be something in the hardware malfunctioning? Also, on the board I have, there's a 4 pin molex plug above the pcie slots that I believe is for extra power to the Pcie slots should you need it? I had that plugged in as well and it still shut off.
     
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 13:26:20 (permalink)
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    Probably not a problem with your power supply but it sounds like an issue with the cards drawing too many amps from the PCIe slots. When benching in sli mode keep an eye on your 12 volt voltage, if you see dips bellow 11.80 you must supplement your power going to the 12 line either with a mod to your 24 pin or perhaps get yourself an EVGA Power boost.

    Absolutely false. Even at 11.8 it's still well within ATX specifications. ATX specs for voltage regulation allow for a +/- of 5% so on a 12v rail that's either 12.6 or higher or 11.6 or lower. Furthermore, monitoring voltages from software apps is just a sad joke. They really shouldn't even include voltage monitoring in software because it's horribly inaccurate. You need a multi meter to properly test and diagnose voltages.
     
    As for the OP, I'm beginning to think you have a faulty PSU. It's not out of the realm of possibility to get a defective unit. One way to test is that if you have a back up PSU that has 2 6pin PCI-E connectors that you can test with. I'll explain: All you need is a paperclip and the 2nd PSU. Then on that PSU look at the 24pin ATX connector and locate the green wire. There will only be one. And then take the paper clip and use it to connect the green wire to any of the black wires. . Now your 2nd PSU can be manually turned off and on by simply flipping the "on/off" switch on the unit itself. Use it to power the 3rd GTX570 and see if you still get a restart under stressing your system. If not, you've isolated the PSU as the culprit, if you still get a reset, the problem may be deeper and lie in software or perhaps the motherboard itself.

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 13:49:54 (permalink)
    Look for the green wire on the AX1200 or the backup PSU? What's making me think it's the power supply is that when it does it, it's just like hitting the reset button on the front panel, you can hear the psu switch off and then cycle up again to start running. I also had a 4 pin molex plugged into the board itself where the molex plug is for extra power for the pcie slots should you need it. 
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 13:51:49 (permalink)
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    Look for the green wire on the AX1200 or the backup PSU? What's making me think it's the power supply is that when it does it, it's just like hitting the reset button on the front panel, you can hear the psu switch off and then cycle up again to start running. I also had a 4 pin molex plugged into the board itself where the molex plug is for extra power for the pcie slots should you need it. 

    On the second PSU, you do the paperclip mod I stated and you can power the PSU on with the switch on the unit. Use it to power your 3rd GTX570 and see if you still get resets.

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 14:07:52 (permalink)
    Heres an image so you can see before you do it. PS_ON (green) to any COM (black) wire will do.
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 14:28:49 (permalink)
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    Probably not a problem with your power supply but it sounds like an issue with the cards drawing too many amps from the PCIe slots. When benching in sli mode keep an eye on your 12 volt voltage, if you see dips bellow 11.80 you must supplement your power going to the 12 line either with a mod to your 24 pin or perhaps get yourself an EVGA Power boost.

    Absolutely false. Even at 11.8 it's still well within ATX specifications. ATX specs for voltage regulation allow for a +/- of 5% so on a 12v rail that's either 12.6 or higher or 11.6 or lower. Furthermore, monitoring voltages from software apps is just a sad joke. They really shouldn't even include voltage monitoring in software because it's horribly inaccurate. You need a multi meter to properly test and diagnose voltages.

    As for the OP, I'm beginning to think you have a faulty PSU. It's not out of the realm of possibility to get a defective unit. One way to test is that if you have a back up PSU that has 2 6pin PCI-E connectors that you can test with. I'll explain: All you need is a paperclip and the 2nd PSU. Then on that PSU look at the 24pin ATX connector and locate the green wire. There will only be one. And then take the paper clip and use it to connect the green wire to any of the black wires. . Now your 2nd PSU can be manually turned off and on by simply flipping the "on/off" switch on the unit itself. Use it to power the 3rd GTX570 and see if you still get a restart under stressing your system. If not, you've isolated the PSU as the culprit, if you still get a reset, the problem may be deeper and lie in software or perhaps the motherboard itself.


    Well these cards happen to pull over 50 amps and thats not within the spec either. 11.8 might happen to be within the spec but pulling that low causes problems downstream, 11.8 is right on the edge. Would you rather him burn up the 12 volt traces, or just simply supplement the voltage before it becomes a issue and have to do an RMA with ASUS, they aren't the most responsive company. There are only 2 12 volt pins on the 24 pin connector with very little surface area to play with.

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 14:51:39 (permalink)
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    Probably not a problem with your power supply but it sounds like an issue with the cards drawing too many amps from the PCIe slots. When benching in sli mode keep an eye on your 12 volt voltage, if you see dips bellow 11.80 you must supplement your power going to the 12 line either with a mod to your 24 pin or perhaps get yourself an EVGA Power boost.

    Absolutely false. Even at 11.8 it's still well within ATX specifications. ATX specs for voltage regulation allow for a +/- of 5% so on a 12v rail that's either 12.6 or higher or 11.6 or lower. Furthermore, monitoring voltages from software apps is just a sad joke. They really shouldn't even include voltage monitoring in software because it's horribly inaccurate. You need a multi meter to properly test and diagnose voltages.

    As for the OP, I'm beginning to think you have a faulty PSU. It's not out of the realm of possibility to get a defective unit. One way to test is that if you have a back up PSU that has 2 6pin PCI-E connectors that you can test with. I'll explain: All you need is a paperclip and the 2nd PSU. Then on that PSU look at the 24pin ATX connector and locate the green wire. There will only be one. And then take the paper clip and use it to connect the green wire to any of the black wires. . Now your 2nd PSU can be manually turned off and on by simply flipping the "on/off" switch on the unit itself. Use it to power the 3rd GTX570 and see if you still get a restart under stressing your system. If not, you've isolated the PSU as the culprit, if you still get a reset, the problem may be deeper and lie in software or perhaps the motherboard itself.


    Well these cards happen to pull over 50 amps and thats not within the spec either. 11.8 might happen to be within the spec but pulling that low causes problems downstream, 11.8 is right on the edge. Would you rather him burn up the 12 volt traces, or just simply supplement the voltage before it becomes a issue and have to do an RMA with ASUS, they aren't the most responsive company. There are only 2 12 volt pins on the 24 pin connector with very little surface area to play with.

    False.....and actually not even in the same ballpark. Lets do some simple math shall we? 50 amps you say by one card? Not even on their best day could they even remotely get near that. Lets start by looking at the cards rated power draw which is 219w and honestly typically they don't even draw that much during normal games or daily use. But for the example we'll assume they are drawing 219w. The way you derive amperage is by dividing wattage by voltage. We know the card draws it's power from the 12v rail to that's 219w / 12v = 18.25 amps is what's drawn by the card if you stressed it 100%. If a card were to draw 50amps off the 12v rail it would take 600 watts to do that. Does that put it into a little better perspective? It's not going to happen.
     
    Now onto 11.8v, no that's not "on the edge" it's actually a perfectly acceptable voltage range for your card to be in with the 12v line. 11.8v is less than a 2% variance on the 12v line and perfectly fine.
     
    And finally the "power boost" Does not regulate nor does it provide "cleaner" power to the cards. All it is, is a aux source for 12v power (which conveniently violates PCI SIG standards by feeding power in through a PCI-E slot) for the cards to draw from rather than the 24pin ATX cable. It has no regulation ability to the 12v line nor does it stabilize it. It's actually not even passed through the boards pwm phasing to "clean" the power like the current that is drawn from the 24in ATX connector.
     
    Regardless of all this though, as his board already has an AUX molex power input so the need for a power booster is irrelevant.

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 14:53:24 (permalink)
    Alright well I did the mod, I didn't use a paperclip but the fan on the PSU spun up when I turned on the power supply and it stopped when I switched it off. Needless to say, I plugged the other card into the 850W psu I have and it did the same thing. It was as if someone just hit a reset button on it and set it back to boot screen.
     
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 14:56:37 (permalink)
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    Alright well I did the mod, I didn't use a paperclip but the fan on the PSU spun up when I turned on the power supply and it stopped when I switched it off. Needless to say, I plugged the other card into the 850W psu I have and it did the same thing. It was as if someone just hit a reset button on it and set it back to boot screen.


    If you didn't do the paper clip mod the PSU may have not been actually putting out any current. Try again with a paper clip.

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 15:11:10 (permalink)
    What I used was a stripped piece of wire that I inserted into the two pins, the green wire and the black wire next to it. The PSU fan spun up and 3 way SLI was detected in the nvidia control panel, so I'm guessing it was putting out current? 
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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 15:14:17 (permalink)
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    What I used was a stripped piece of wire that I inserted into the two pins, the green wire and the black wire next to it. The PSU fan spun up and 3 way SLI was detected in the nvidia control panel, so I'm guessing it was putting out current? 

     
    As long as you used a piece of metal to conduct current, then the PSU should have been out putting current. Let me ask you this then: Does the restart happen as the same point in your tests? For example at a certain point when running 3D mark or does it just happen completely randomly and at any given time?

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    Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem 2011/02/19 15:26:52 (permalink)
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    Probably not a problem with your power supply but it sounds like an issue with the cards drawing too many amps from the PCIe slots. When benching in sli mode keep an eye on your 12 volt voltage, if you see dips bellow 11.80 you must supplement your power going to the 12 line either with a mod to your 24 pin or perhaps get yourself an EVGA Power boost.

    Absolutely false. Even at 11.8 it's still well within ATX specifications. ATX specs for voltage regulation allow for a +/- of 5% so on a 12v rail that's either 12.6 or higher or 11.6 or lower. Furthermore, monitoring voltages from software apps is just a sad joke. They really shouldn't even include voltage monitoring in software because it's horribly inaccurate. You need a multi meter to properly test and diagnose voltages.

    As for the OP, I'm beginning to think you have a faulty PSU. It's not out of the realm of possibility to get a defective unit. One way to test is that if you have a back up PSU that has 2 6pin PCI-E connectors that you can test with. I'll explain: All you need is a paperclip and the 2nd PSU. Then on that PSU look at the 24pin ATX connector and locate the green wire. There will only be one. And then take the paper clip and use it to connect the green wire to any of the black wires. . Now your 2nd PSU can be manually turned off and on by simply flipping the "on/off" switch on the unit itself. Use it to power the 3rd GTX570 and see if you still get a restart under stressing your system. If not, you've isolated the PSU as the culprit, if you still get a reset, the problem may be deeper and lie in software or perhaps the motherboard itself.


    Well these cards happen to pull over 50 amps and thats not within the spec either. 11.8 might happen to be within the spec but pulling that low causes problems downstream, 11.8 is right on the edge. Would you rather him burn up the 12 volt traces, or just simply supplement the voltage before it becomes a issue and have to do an RMA with ASUS, they aren't the most responsive company. There are only 2 12 volt pins on the 24 pin connector with very little surface area to play with.

    False.....and actually not even in the same ballpark. Lets do some simple math shall we? 50 amps you say by one card? Not even on their best day could they even remotely get near that. Lets start by looking at the cards rated power draw which is 219w and honestly typically they don't even draw that much during normal games or daily use. But for the example we'll assume they are drawing 219w. The way you derive amperage is by dividing wattage by voltage. We know the card draws it's power from the 12v rail to that's 219w / 12v = 18.25 amps is what's drawn by the card if you stressed it 100%. If a card were to draw 50amps off the 12v rail it would take 600 watts to do that. Does that put it into a little better perspective? It's not going to happen.

    Now onto 11.8v, no that's not "on the edge" it's actually a perfectly acceptable voltage range for your card to be in with the 12v line. 11.8v is less than a 2% variance on the 12v line and perfectly fine.

    And finally the "power boost" Does not regulate nor does it provide "cleaner" power to the cards. All it is, is a aux source for 12v power (which conveniently violates PCI SIG standards by feeding power in through a PCI-E slot) for the cards to draw from rather than the 24pin ATX cable. It has no regulation ability to the 12v line nor does it stabilize it. It's actually not even passed through the boards pwm phasing to "clean" the power like the current that is drawn from the 24in ATX connector.

    Regardless of all this though, as his board already has an AUX molex power input so the need for a power booster is irrelevant.


    Then I suggest you take a meter to your cards and see for yourself. My 570 SC's draw from 51.5 amps to 51.7 amps stock clocks have you even tested what your cards draw I see you have 580's.

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