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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 15:33:41
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littleoldme CraptacularOne littleoldme CraptacularOne littleoldme Probably not a problem with your power supply but it sounds like an issue with the cards drawing too many amps from the PCIe slots. When benching in sli mode keep an eye on your 12 volt voltage, if you see dips bellow 11.80 you must supplement your power going to the 12 line either with a mod to your 24 pin or perhaps get yourself an EVGA Power boost. Absolutely false. Even at 11.8 it's still well within ATX specifications. ATX specs for voltage regulation allow for a +/- of 5% so on a 12v rail that's either 12.6 or higher or 11.6 or lower. Furthermore, monitoring voltages from software apps is just a sad joke. They really shouldn't even include voltage monitoring in software because it's horribly inaccurate. You need a multi meter to properly test and diagnose voltages. As for the OP, I'm beginning to think you have a faulty PSU. It's not out of the realm of possibility to get a defective unit. One way to test is that if you have a back up PSU that has 2 6pin PCI-E connectors that you can test with. I'll explain: All you need is a paperclip and the 2nd PSU. Then on that PSU look at the 24pin ATX connector and locate the green wire. There will only be one. And then take the paper clip and use it to connect the green wire to any of the black wires. . Now your 2nd PSU can be manually turned off and on by simply flipping the "on/off" switch on the unit itself. Use it to power the 3rd GTX570 and see if you still get a restart under stressing your system. If not, you've isolated the PSU as the culprit, if you still get a reset, the problem may be deeper and lie in software or perhaps the motherboard itself. Well these cards happen to pull over 50 amps and thats not within the spec either. 11.8 might happen to be within the spec but pulling that low causes problems downstream, 11.8 is right on the edge. Would you rather him burn up the 12 volt traces, or just simply supplement the voltage before it becomes a issue and have to do an RMA with ASUS, they aren't the most responsive company. There are only 2 12 volt pins on the 24 pin connector with very little surface area to play with. False.....and actually not even in the same ballpark. Lets do some simple math shall we? 50 amps you say by one card? Not even on their best day could they even remotely get near that. Lets start by looking at the cards rated power draw which is 219w and honestly typically they don't even draw that much during normal games or daily use. But for the example we'll assume they are drawing 219w. The way you derive amperage is by dividing wattage by voltage. We know the card draws it's power from the 12v rail to that's 219w / 12v = 18.25 amps is what's drawn by the card if you stressed it 100%. If a card were to draw 50amps off the 12v rail it would take 600 watts to do that. Does that put it into a little better perspective? It's not going to happen. Now onto 11.8v, no that's not "on the edge" it's actually a perfectly acceptable voltage range for your card to be in with the 12v line. 11.8v is less than a 2% variance on the 12v line and perfectly fine. And finally the "power boost" Does not regulate nor does it provide "cleaner" power to the cards. All it is, is a aux source for 12v power (which conveniently violates PCI SIG standards by feeding power in through a PCI-E slot) for the cards to draw from rather than the 24pin ATX cable. It has no regulation ability to the 12v line nor does it stabilize it. It's actually not even passed through the boards pwm phasing to "clean" the power like the current that is drawn from the 24in ATX connector. Regardless of all this though, as his board already has an AUX molex power input so the need for a power booster is irrelevant. Then I suggest you take a meter to your cards and see for yourself. My 570 SC's draw from 51.5 amps to 51.7 amps stock clocks have you even tested what your cards draw I see you have 580's. LOL...sounds to me that you don't know how to read or use a multi meter...ROFL..... Seriously think about what you just said. I see you have 3 cards now 51.7 amps is 620.4 watts per card for a grand total of 1,861.2 watts just for your cards. If your cards are taking that much wattage how is it then that your 1200w PSU didn't fail? I'll tell you, because they AREN'T taking that much power. The 51.7 amp figure is probably what your ENTIRE system is drawing....LOL.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 15:49:15
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I actually found the issue guys. After browsing every nook and cranny on the web, I found that creative sound software has been reported conflicting with Nvidia drivers causing systems to restart with seemingly no reason. I ran driver sweeper to clean all my creative software off my drive and surely enough, no restarts. I'm about to hook my 1200W psu up to my 3rd gpu again to rerun the benchmark, but I've ran it finally with no crashes.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 15:53:16
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Dirky I actually found the issue guys. After browsing every nook and cranny on the web, I found that creative sound software has been reported conflicting with Nvidia drivers causing systems to restart with seemingly no reason. I ran driver sweeper to clean all my creative software off my drive and surely enough, no restarts. I'm about to hook my 1200W psu up to my 3rd gpu again to rerun the benchmark, but I've ran it finally with no crashes. Good deal, let us know if that did it.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 15:53:54
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Dirky
I actually found the issue guys. After browsing every nook and cranny on the web, I found that creative sound software has been reported conflicting with Nvidia drivers causing systems to restart with seemingly no reason. I ran driver sweeper to clean all my creative software off my drive and surely enough, no restarts. I'm about to hook my 1200W psu up to my 3rd gpu again to rerun the benchmark, but I've ran it finally with no crashes.
I didn't even see anything in your posts that said you had a creative based sound card...I know those drivers can cause issues, well in any event, sounds like you have enough power  and that you may have got it straight. I was kind of enjoying this thread to....
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 15:55:19
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That is cutting edge news to me. Thanks for the feedback to your resolution. Creative driver causing a spontaneous power off with nVidia's GTX 570 with a third card added. What google link brought this to your attention, may I ask?
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 18:14:16
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Actually I don't believe it's fixed. I ran through the bench with the other psu, swapped it back onto my AX1200 and it shut off again. I reformatted my boot drive, and have been having issues getting my drives to be recognized. It seems as long as my agility drive is hooked up, my boot drive, which is a Vertex 2 60gb ssd, will not recognize. This thing is becoming more of a pita than it's worth.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 18:17:26
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Like I said earlier man, your PSU may be bad.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 18:42:28
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Regardless I would leave one disconnected for now. Your working fine with 2. Get a new PSU. If that's not the issue you can always return it. Your not going to miss out on much being down one card.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 20:42:32
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Even the good PSU's go bad. I have a Corsair HX850 PSU, and hooked it up to my new ASUS Rampage III MB, b4 I even installed the OS, and I hit the power button, a little flicker, but nothing. I hooked up my Antec 650 PSU, and sure enough boots right into the bios no prob. Good thing that Corsair has a 5yr warranty on it. This thred cought my eye, cuz like you have the AX1200, and 570's in sli, but if I ever wanted to go to triple sli, this may or may not affect me as well??
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 21:19:01
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For some odd reason I can not get consistent results. Sometimes the pc runs like it should, and sometimes it just intermittently shuts off and reboots. I've seperated the gpu load from the single rail to 2 cards on the single 100a rail and 1 card using the molex adapters to run on a seperate rail and it ran completely through the benchmark. My next step is to try some gaming with it.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 21:21:56
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Dirky For some odd reason I can not get consistent results. Sometimes the pc runs like it should, and sometimes it just intermittently shuts off and reboots. I've seperated the gpu load from the single rail to 2 cards on the single 100a rail and 1 card using the molex adapters to run on a seperate rail and it ran completely through the benchmark. My next step is to try some gaming with it. It doesn't work that way I'm afraid. Your PSU has one single large 12v rail. Everything that draws power from the 12v rail gets it from the same rail be it from the 6 pin PCI-E connectors or the 4 pin molex connectors. There is no way to isolate another 12v rail on a PSU that only has 1 rail.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 22:15:41
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 22:28:13
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I've had the same problem happen to me but only with 3DMark11 when the GPU's are overclocked.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 22:35:38
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However, playing video games or doing some Heaven & 3dmark Vantage benches doesn't cause mine to reboot. I'm not sure why it's like that. But will be watching this thread for answers.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/19 22:43:26
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I've tried adding a 4th gpu (gtx 580 for physx) just to test the power supply, and it games just fine and also benches w/3DMark Vantage while the CPU & all gpus are over clocked. So, yeah, I'm stoked as well.  Since then, I have given 3dmark11 the GHOST, I uninstalled it. The benchmark wasn't worth troubleshooting in my honest opinion. In the same token, heat can also be the culprit causing your machine to shut down. In 3-way sli the rig gets pretty warm inside with the stock GPU fan IDLE RPM setting. Try raising it to like 60-65% RPM before gaming and see if that helps.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/20 09:51:35
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Dirky Actually I don't believe it's fixed. I ran through the bench with the other psu, swapped it back onto my AX1200 and it shut off again. I reformatted my boot drive, and have been having issues getting my drives to be recognized. It seems as long as my agility drive is hooked up, my boot drive, which is a Vertex 2 60gb ssd, will not recognize. This thing is becoming more of a pita than it's worth. -you could try updating\reloading the bios and firmware for the ssd's-my story when I put 570's in. I went from 285sli>570sli>to one card having a leaking block, back to sli. before all these cards being moved in and out also added ssd's R0 [new win7-64 install] -after the 570's I started to have some blue screens.one every two day's, two a day most at idle- walk out of the room come back 10min's later to find a blue screen, with a 9c dump-hardware failure.-pulls hair out.tried all vid. drivers,flash ,fire fox. still bsod system pasted all benches but one- 3d mark11 which had sli issues so no big deal at the time.[but same install runs today ok] -found windows change my default sound device to none[was set to forte] when the hdmi of the 570's added about 8 new sound hdmi devices. -running a older bios and when a newer bios came out[newer raid rom ver.] along with the g2 firmware , I updated both and have not had a crash from that time. so I point the finger at the bios in my case. just did not like the new combo of 570's and ssd and might had only needed a bios reset to stop the crashes after the 570's-we will never know.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/20 21:05:07
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I had that problem with a 450 watt P/S that fit in the 5 .25 bay with my 750 P/S it work fine with my 470's but when I step-up to the 570's it would shut off in Heaven Benchmak. So I would try the power supply before you rip any apart. I would return the p/s to the vendor. Good Luck
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/20 21:23:23
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After troubleshooting most of the day I found the culprit, and oddly enough it wasn't anything to do with my computer. It was a bad recepticle in my electrical circuit. I booted up my pc this morning and as soon as I booted, my TV shut off. I walked over to it and could smell electrical wire burning so I turned off the breaker and investigated further to find a melted recepticle. I changed the recepticle and all is well. Everything works just like it's supposed to. :D
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/21 08:06:23
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Yikes, good thing your caught that.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/21 08:11:20
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Glad you found the problem. Could have been even worse. Now go enjoy your 3 570's.
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Re:GTX 570 3 way sli problem
2011/02/21 08:32:11
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Dirky
After troubleshooting most of the day I found the culprit, and oddly enough it wasn't anything to do with my computer. It was a bad recepticle in my electrical circuit. I booted up my pc this morning and as soon as I booted, my TV shut off. I walked over to it and could smell electrical wire burning so I turned off the breaker and investigated further to find a melted recepticle. I changed the recepticle and all is well. Everything works just like it's supposed to. :D
Ah.. After reading your thread i was going to mention that about the wall outlet could be the problem and to move the PC to another room in the house and try it out. Yeah lucky you found the prob when you did!
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