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2011/11/23 15:05:44 (permalink)
Hello! First of all I know there are so many HTPC build discussion out there right now and I have not really taken a fair look around. I put a few hours into research is all but I'm finding that a lot of people are talking about AMD's new APU systems, though it may be a little overkill itself.
Honestly that's my #1 choice right now, but I really don't want to go AMD. I did it once with an IBM thinkpad (because I didn't have a choice) and it was such a pain. Sorry to AMD / ATI fans out there.. I'm not completely agaist the AMD for a CPU, while I would prefer Intel, I absolutely must have an Nvidia card.. 

So what I'm asking really is, suggestions for smaller size boards, and what Nvidia 500 series GPU is recommended for bluray / 1080 rendering with 3d support. (Both board & card being EVGA would be nice) but really only the GPU must be, then.. What do I do with the motherboard? There are some online pointing at ASUS micro-atx boards that feature really nice looking cooling designs that appear to be meant for the lightweight side of HTPC. I guess mainly I want something that will fit under the TV and not be horribly loud.. Of course, you do really need to get a dedicated GPU for video now with BluRay & 3d, even 1080 rendering honestly needs something pretty decent..

Again I know there are people out there talking about these things, I'm just trying to get a few (little more recent) pointers that aren't just suggestions to go with an AMD APU. You could call me more of an anti-ATI than a pro-Nvidia person.  Sorry to those of you who prefer their hardware, I know it's all in my head but sometimes that's enough! ><
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    Re:HTPC build with nvidia / evga 2011/11/23 16:54:27 (permalink)
    Really for HTPC IMO you should look to using the integrated Graphic in the Intel P67 with a H67 chipset board.  These will do Great TV (1080P) and audio outputs as well.  The info below gives the difference between the 2 built in Graphic units.  Both the i5-250? series and the i7-260? series have version with either the "2000" or "3000" graphic chips.   I believe EVGA does not have H67 board... and what I see on reviews is the Asus would be the best choice for a H67 mobo.  This will allow you to have a lower Heat content and therefore much quiter unit near your TV.  Oh, the Intel chips support 3D as well. 
     
     Intel HD Graphics 2000 contains six execution units and Intel HD Graphics 3000 contains twelve execution units. This means that Intel HD Graphics 3000 is better suited for more graphics intensive applications such as those that use 3D.

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    Re:HTPC build with nvidia / evga 2011/11/23 20:10:54 (permalink)
    What exactly do you want to do with this system (just watch movies or do you want a tv tuner?), what is the budget and when should the build be done by?
     
    Just so you know, people tend to stereotype computers by their uses as if they can only contain certain hardware and nothing else.  There is nothing wrong with grabbing an otherwise "gaming PC" and use it as an "HTPC".   That said, the marketing of the industry that makes products towards HTPC tends to push low-power and small size; you don't have to fall in line with this thinking, I'm giving you the choice.  Whatever gets the job done.
     
    As for the equivalent rendering performance of Intel's iGPU in Sandy Bridge processors, there isn't much to say because it is at the bottom of all lists.   Depends on what you do, but anything is better than Intel integrated.
     
    That said, consider this:
    • $220 Zotac mini-ITX Z68 board with built-in GeForce GT430 with 1GB of GDDR3
    • 2x $24 A-DATA 4GB DDR3-1333 SO-DIMM
    • $130 Intel Core i3 2120 3.3GHz dual-core w/HT
    • $45 InWin miniITX case, 12"x10"x4" w/200W PSU (14A at 12v)
    • $60 Samsung BR-ROM + DVD burner w/Lightscribe
    • $120 Mushkin 60GB SATA 6Gbps SSD
    • $100 MS Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium
    = $723 before tax and shipping
     
    The GT430 has 96-shaders, making it twice as fast as GT520 in the above review; and depending on the game the GT430 is faster than the AMD Fusions.   No clue on the noise levels of the built-in fan, although if the CPU cooler can wash over it, that's an option.  The PCIe x4 slot is open-ended so if you want to stick an x16 card or a HDTV tuner in there later, you can but you'll need to change the case I choose.  Here's the list of supported CPU and RAM for the board from their website, the RAM I choose is on that list.  
     
    Main drives will be your choice; I'd choose a small SSD for the OS and only the program for your HDTV tuner and/or Bluray drive and maybe one virus scan software, and then a separate large 500GB-2TB mechanical drive for files and movies if you don't already have one.   The SSD would gaurantee noise levels are their lowest.
     
    Note: due to that flood in Thailand a while back where most of our hard drives are made, hard disk prices are going through the roof and SSD's might get cheaper in the next few months.  If you want a larger SSD than the one I picked, go ahead, just the prices are still relatively high.
     
    The GT430 as a dedicated card uses 49W (4A at 12v) according to nVidia, and Intel suggests if you use a 65W TDP part need at least 8A on the 12v line.  Going by this a 200W PSU with 12A on the 12v line is good.  The SSD uses as much power as the RAM, which is like a case fan, < 6W.  You're not cutting it close on power because Intel's power requirements are for the entire category called "65W TDP", none of the CPUs actually draw up to 8A at full load. 

    Of course, if interested in watching BR's, I threw up a combo drive as BR burners are twice the cost.   
     
    Just so you know the GeForce 500 series is just the 400 series done right, it is just a refined die design.  It's not like the difference compared to the 200 series.  For instance, look at the specs from nVidia's site of the GT430 (linked above) and GT530.  1W difference at about the same specifications.

    All in all, what I listed is probably the physically smallest you'll be able to build with as much speed.
    post edited by lehpron - 2011/11/23 20:44:23

    For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

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    Re:HTPC build with nvidia / evga 2011/11/23 23:36:56 (permalink)
    Thank you both, I still am giving thought to the integrated GPU but I am not sure it's for me unless it really can handle 1080 mkvs, which seem to be the most complex thing I'd be asking it to do. I really doubt it would ever be asked to render any 3d. I do want to be able to use it for viewing any flash based video, and I actually upgraded my gaming rig because it was struggling with that, not with my games... So I know that taxes the system enough. Then again I don't want to be "at my limit" right at that point either. Leaning towards a small Fermi chip if not the llano.
     
    I have had both a 480 and a 580 in my gaming rig. I just figured the low end 500s would probably be a little cooler and quieter. I'm not really worried about paying a little bit more for anything in particular. I have a few terabytes of network storage so I'll just use that for most of my storage (already have my collection on there) and I will be fine with just an SSD in the system. I already have one sitting around which I'll probably use to be honest even though it's a little slow low end, it's free.
     
    I really, really do not want to step down to the notebook-style ultra low power ultra nothingness atom / molasses in winter / not built to run an operating system requiring extended memory board and or system. llano sounded good more because it included the GPU on top of being a very inexpensive 4 core system. Your list looks more like what I'll probably end up with though. I will have to read and think on it a little more, thank you.
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    Re:HTPC build with nvidia / evga 2011/11/25 16:25:04 (permalink)
    +1 on Lehpron's link to TectSpot.com'r reveiw.  Seems like the A8-3850 with the correct mobo would be just great for HTPC.   

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    Re:HTPC build with nvidia / evga 2011/11/25 16:51:07 (permalink)
    Hmm, okay.  I guess if we tried to keep all things equal except switching out the mobo+RAM+CPU from Intel to AMD, then that's a cost savings of $70.  But the iGPU in AMD (HD6550) and the GT430 are butting heads, but since the iGPU is made at 32nm because it is in with the CPU, the main benefit is in less power and your get a 32nm Phenom x4 for all the BR ripping you could do.  It also reduces the number of fans in the system to one, reducing noise.
     
    $320 with an AMD A8-3850 + G-Skill 2x 4GB DDR3-1866 + ASUS A75 chipset mini-ITX

    For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

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