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Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:03 PM (permalink)
Most people have been supporting choosing a Titan X over the (predicted) 980 ti, but with the massive price drop of the Titan Z, I wanted to gauge the opinions of this forum in choosing between a Titan X or Z.
 
I have owned a GTX 690 in the past, and not to badmouth it, but I was very unimpressed because of the limited memory on the card. I was actually getting better framerates with my 780ti at 1440p. I was also observing microstutter in certain games, particularly Starcraft 2.
 
Some games are already reaching 6gb of memory use at 4k resolutions, do you all think I would have a similar problem (of limited memory, or microstutter) if I chose the Z over the X? I dont have the budget for a new GPU and 4k monitor now, so I will be at 1440 for at least 1 more year.
 
I am leaning towards the Titan X, but I have not seen too many reputable benchmark comparisons.
 
Please chime in with any advice or anecdotes. Thanks
 
 
 
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:23 PM (permalink)
    Your comment about having micro stutter would indicate that the Z is a bad choice.  You obviously notice it.  Yes, some of it may be memory issues, but it is often SLI related.
     
    Also, the performance of the X is shown to be better than the Z and on a single chip in benchmarks and on the NVIDIA website for 3DMark Fire Strike.
     
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:40 PM (permalink)
    I would choose TITAN X, but you can check first better performance difference.
    And TITAN Z is less problematic than SLI configuration.
    But TITAN X is very powerful card and very close to R9-295X performance and because of that I would go on TITAN X 99% after careful reading about them. TITAN Z have inside two GK110 but with something slower clock, and TITAN X is more than 50% stronger than one single TITAN Black with lot higher clock, plus scaling of two graphic processor together is not 100%...
    Maybe is TITAN Z only few percent stronger but definitely TITAN X is best combination for Windows 10 and DX12.
    And video memory size is on side of TITAN X, one more advantage. That give you space to install one more in time when price of TITAN X seriously drop, because so much video memory will not be limited years.
     
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Wednesday, April 29, 2015 6:29 PM (permalink)
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    Your comment about having micro stutter would indicate that the Z is a bad choice.  You obviously notice it.  Yes, some of it may be memory issues, but it is often SLI related.
     
    Also, the performance of the X is shown to be better than the Z and on a single chip in benchmarks and on the NVIDIA website for 3DMark Fire Strike.
     
    http://www.geforce.com/ha...tx-titan-x/performance


    Micro stutter does not exist when you have a g sync screen, and even without g sync enabled, i have never seen micro stutter when using titan x SLI. I think this myth needs to die, its been around for like 10 generations of GPUs since it actually did exist, and has been fixed long ago. I would bet money that if there is a stutter, it was actually caused by something else in the system.

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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:41 PM (permalink)
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    Your comment about having micro stutter would indicate that the Z is a bad choice.  You obviously notice it.  Yes, some of it may be memory issues, but it is often SLI related.
     
    Also, the performance of the X is shown to be better than the Z and on a single chip in benchmarks and on the NVIDIA website for 3DMark Fire Strike.
     
    http://www.geforce.com/ha...tx-titan-x/performance


    Micro stutter does not exist when you have a g sync screen, and even without g sync enabled, i have never seen micro stutter when using titan x SLI. I think this myth needs to die, its been around for like 10 generations of GPUs since it actually did exist, and has been fixed long ago. I would bet money that if there is a stutter, it was actually caused by something else in the system.




    I apologize for not knowing that micro stutter had been banished by decree some 10 generations ago.  Most tech sites and professionals would disagree, particularly with regard to games without proper SLI support and/or mature drivers for a game.  The OP is the one who made mention of the fact that he noticed it with his 690, hence the comment that he shouldn't once again go with a multiple GPU setup if given the choice since he saw it..
     
    Neither the OP nor I mentioned a Titan X SLI setup, either.  He asked whether he should get a Titan X or a Titan Z.  He also never mentioned buying or having G-sync.  Thus far, the X seems to outperform the Z.  I based my comment on the information that was given.  It still stands based on the information at hand.
     
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:44 PM (permalink)
    Thank you all for the advice and support.
    I definitely think that Titan X will be the route i choose. I cant wait until they are back in stock.
    Happy gaming all.
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:50 PM (permalink)
    I've used SLI since 3dFX Voodoo cards and am very sensitive to any kind of stutter at all and although I usually do SLI having one Titan X for me has smoothed out any microstutter I've had recently.  Having one video card does not eliminate stutter but I think it's just smoother than 2 cards in SLI in most cases. Gsync did not solve occasional SLI stutter for me but I love Gsync and have a hard time playing on monitors without so it does help. There are some games where using SLI I see almost no stuttering at all but as a whole (now that the Titan X is here) one powerful GPU is the way to go so I def say 1 Titan X.
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:13 AM (permalink)
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    ...one powerful GPU is the way to go so I def say 1 Titan X.



    I agree for gaming is single card best.
    Except where no other choice because higher resolution.
    For 4K you can't choose single or SLI, you need 2 way SLI at least for nice fps.
     

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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:15 AM (permalink)
    Titan X.
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:56 PM (permalink)
    I wanted to add my two cents here since I was debating this exact decision (I went with the titan X in the end)
    1. Raw Power: Theoretically, if sli scaling works as expected for a particular game, the TITAN Z should beat the TITAN X by a good margin. Why? Because the Z has a total of 5760 keplar cuda cores (shader processors) while the X has only 3072 cuda cores. But the keplar cores are running at around 900Mhz (because two GK110Bs in a small space give out too much heat) while the maxwell cores are running at 1300Mhz at full load. So, it's not a one-keplar-core=one-maxwell-core.
    2. Real world Comparisons: There are currently only two reviews sites that have directly compared the Z and the X and they show clearly that the Z beats the X. &nbsp www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_x_review,15.html     www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-12-gb-sli/13/       (Please remember, this is only when SLi works to a good degree. A dual core card will be inconsistent in beating a single core across many titles.) Yes, the Z beats the X but not by much but it still beats it, strictly speaking. Also, in all of the comparisons in the two links, the Z does beat the X always. However, Nvidia's own webpage shows the X beating the Z on 3dmark 
    3. Micro-stutter: When I was on the Z (and titan og SLi before that), I had a healthy dose of microstuttering in many many games. I was quite irritated with it. I blamed everything but SLi and it was only when I switched to the X that I realize how much important frametime consistency is. But when SLi did work properly in some games, it was perfect, and I cannot say it was all bad. Anyone who says micro-stuttering was cleared out 10 years ago doesn't know what micro-stuttering is; G-sync won't solve it and sometimes exacerbates the effect. There was a huge controversy a couple of years ago regarding AMD CF setups not at all using the second card because of largely runt or dropped frames. Following that frame time variance and consistency took the foreground over raw performance. SLi and CF still do have the consistency vs performance tradeoff.
    4. future proofing wrt W10, DX12: Assuming DX12 gets quickly adopted, future titles could be using one of these three DX12 multi-adaptor features: Multi-adaptor implicit (basically driver level control meaning SLi/CF with profiles needed for new releases), Multi-adaptor explicit linked (requires two same cards, stacked memory and each gpu handles different work), Multi-adaptor explicit unlinked (any gpu, work load between gpus decided by developer).  Source:  www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/BUILD-2015-Final-DirectX-12-Reveal   Optimisitically, if the second option became prevalent, the Z would become a powerhouse with 12GB stacked memory and 5072 cores and could see it topple other cards in performance. But that is a BIG IF. Moreover, while most keplar and fermi cards will support DX 12, ALLL of the features of dx12 won't be supported and only the X and future cards can do that.
    Finally, I am glad I made the switch over to the X for now. The X runs much cooler than the Z did, and the frame smoothness in non-sli-friendly game makes me enjoy games a lot more now. That loss of extra performance was a good tradeoff. I can always get another X later if the VR SLi thing becomes a hit not to mention we don't know how long VR is going to take to hit critical mass in terms of game titles and polished hardware.
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Saturday, June 13, 2015 0:35 PM (permalink)
    titan x holds HDMI 2.0 or HDMI 1.4? My titan Z runs with v.1.4, I wonder if X been upgraded to v2.0
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Saturday, June 13, 2015 0:43 PM (permalink)
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    titan x holds HDMI 2.0 or HDMI 1.4? My titan Z runs with v.1.4, I wonder if X been upgraded to v2.0




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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Saturday, June 13, 2015 1:59 AM (permalink)
    For gaming X > Z even before you consider the cost, so it's a no-brainer.
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:09 AM (permalink)
    Actually you can see microstutter pretty easily. Just run games in borderless fullscreen mode. It completely breaks SLI frame pacing. In Witcher 3 it says 60fps in borderless windowed, but looks like 20 fps with all the hitching. Go into exclusive fullscreen mode and the SLI frame pacing works correctly and it looks perfectly smooth.
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Saturday, June 13, 2015 1:44 PM (permalink)
    i do play in window mode some games and some in full screen. i go for best performance, there is no point for user having Titan Z to swap for TitanX, cos X is weaker card & Z gives better performance. Z is most powerful single card so far by Nvidia. Next year they will probably do TitanX double GPU card so then i wil swap.
     
    Titan Z gives about 10fps more than TitanX i say this is lot of frames when it comes to 4k. it not 5% like some of u say its around 20% more powerfull. Titan Z FTW.
    Titan Z struggles with 4k gaming & going for Titan X is even worst solution. Usually I exchange my cards every 2 years. my last was gtx690, now titanZ & im just waiting for next double gpu card taht gonna eat my Z
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    Re: Titan X or Titan Z Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:01 PM (permalink)
    titan x ftw.

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