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2011/10/03 05:25:22 (permalink)
I am receiving slow performance from my new GTX 570 HD,
running on a Q6600//12 GBytes Sdram DDR2//Windows 7 64.
 
My Passmark 3DMark is around 2100 (vs 3500 on Passmark's official benchmarks),
On 3DMark,  the GPU usage is at 99% during the 3DMark Extreme Test (1920x1080) with usual around 1828 3DMark,
but GPU averages around 47% when performing the Performance Test 1280x720, with around 4486 3DMark.
Basic Test (1024x600) yields a 5326 result, averaging around 35% GPU.
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The EVGA Precision application says that the Core Clock 787, Shader Clock 1594, Memory Clock 1950.
The EVGA page :

states that the Memory Clock should be 3800.
This slow memory clock seems to explain my slow performance.
Yet I receive the runaround from their technical support/customer support.
 
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:29:14 (permalink)
Oh dear.
 
I don't know all the proper terms, but GPU memory is dual channel, so it splits it's bandwith in half and can do the job twice as fast.  Each channel runs at 1900 mhz, combined for an effective speed of 3800mhz.   Companies report the memory speed based off of it's effective speed (3800mhz), whereas programs like EVGA precision report each channel's speed (1900mhz)
 
So you weren't ripped off.  What's the clock speed on your Q6600?  That's most likely the bottleneck, but if you overclock it you can get some huge performance gains.
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:30:25 (permalink)
Memory clock that EVGA Precision displays is always half of what is advertised on the box.
 
No need to worry your card is actually operating at 3800mhz mem clock (1950 x2 = 3800)
 
As for the lozer than average GTX 570 performance figures this is likely due to the Q6600 slowing the card down, if you want you can try and overclock your Q6600 a little and you should notice the GTX 570 unleash the rest of its potential.
 
EDIT: Valarioth beat me to it ;)
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:46:54 (permalink)
You should never compair an official benchmark to your own PC, since parts are so different there really is no comparison to make.
\your older and low-end Q6600 is definitly slowing your hole PC down.


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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:47:19 (permalink)
Q6600 is running at its normal rate of 2.4 GHz.
 At the end of the Basic and Performance tests (but not the Extreme test), 3DMark states:
" [STOP] Your Score is Low Compared to Similar Systems. There may be a problem."
That is, 3DMark has looked at the data for other similar Q6600/DDR2 systems, and found a discrepancy.

If my Q6600 local bus bandwidth were too slow, I would expect that to show up in the higher resolution tests which most likely move much more data between the Q6600 and the GTX 570.
Instead the opposite is the case.
The worst tests are actually at the 2 lower resolutions (Basic and Performance, and not Extreme).
My Passmark Memory Mark is 1425.
 
post edited by Aeneas32 - 2011/10/03 05:54:15
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:51:15 (permalink)
The q6600 is def your problem. Your simply useing a g-card that's faster than the CPU...so its waiting for the CPU to get done. It's a hurry up and wait scenario for the 570. The q6600 was a tough cookie to overclock high and keep cool when it came out...most people had a hardtime even getting a 3.2ghz overclock to play nicely...and that's the bare minimum number you need to be at to alleviate some of the gpu's struggle. Also, getting rid of the 570 won't help you either cause your going to have this same scenario with all gpu's from the gtx295 on up with your setup. Also, you may want to apologize to Evga now for jumping the gun and blaming them...cause that was just not rite man. Good luck with your decisions!! \m/

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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:52:08 (permalink)
Why the hell are you so worried about a benchmark?
 

 

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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:55:39 (permalink)
Actually it's the other way around. The extreme tests in 3D Mark 11 and Vantage put more work and stress on the GPU then on the CPU.
I don't know the exact facts on the data ransfer between CPU and GPU in these two tests, but I know for certain the above is true.
Also: the CPU becomes less of a bottleneck when you apply a higher resolution or a lot of effects like MSAA and DOP, because the GPU itself has to work a lot harder in this scenario and isn't waiting for the CPU to feed it all the time.
 
So your benchmark scores are perfectly fine like this
 
If you are willing to spend a little on your PC to upgrade it, you might be able to find a Q9650 or QX9650 processor. They should be quite a bit faster then the Q6600.
At any rate you could overclock your Q6600 to 3.5 Ghz to gain som performance ingame and in benchmarks.


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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:56:36 (permalink)
The 3D Benchmarks are definitive of what this video card is worth.
That is why they are selling it for the large premium in price that they are. 
The benchmark of any product is the Truth, which strips away the slick marketing claims and glossy advertisement endearments, and either device does what the seller claims, or Not.
 
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 05:59:10 (permalink)
The whole similar system thing in 3D Mark '11 for the most part isnt worth looking at.

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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 06:05:46 (permalink)
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The 3D Benchmarks are definitive of what this video card is worth.
That is why they are selling it for the large premium in price that they are. 
The benchmark of any product is the Truth, which strips away the slick marketing claims and glossy advertisement endearments, and either device does what the seller claims, or Not.


What?
Benchmarks don't prove anything

 

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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 06:07:36 (permalink)
Benchmarks are fun to look at and compair, but be very sceptic about them when you judge 1 certain part.
A 3D benchmark isn't just about the GPU. Your CPU has a significant part in the result, as does your RAM, Mobo and even your OS and it's degration.
Driver versions influence the end result, the number of processes running in the background and so on...
Bottom line: be carefull when you judge your GPU, if you were to put this exact GPU in another system the bench result would totally differ.
 
And +1 on Sleinous. The 3D Mark system comparison is something like the Windows Performance Index: fun to read but rather useless. I think that based on the position of the stars or something, guesswork anyway.


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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 06:24:06 (permalink)

Could You paste benchmark link?
You probably have normal GPU score and very low CPU/Physics score which is lowering final score.


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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 06:30:49 (permalink)
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Memory clock that EVGA Precision displays is always half of what is advertised on the box.

No need to worry your card is actually operating at 3800mhz mem clock (1950 x2 = 3800)

As for the lozer than average GTX 570 performance figures this is likely due to the Q6600 slowing the card down, if you want you can try and overclock your Q6600 a little and you should notice the GTX 570 unleash the rest of its potential.

EDIT: Valarioth beat me to it ;)

Im really sorry i just thought this was slightly funny , 1950 x 2 = 3900 not 3800... its okay. Its the morning, i forgive you . Sorry to interrupt, proceed with thread

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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 06:44:06 (permalink)
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Could You paste benchmark link?
You probably have normal GPU score and very low CPU/Physics score which is lowering final score.

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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 07:02:27 (permalink)
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The 3D Benchmarks are definitive of what this video card is worth.
That is why they are selling it for the large premium in price that they are. 
The benchmark of any product is the Truth, which strips away the slick marketing claims and glossy advertisement endearments, and either device does what the seller claims, or Not.



Hello Aeneas32 , and Welcome to the forums ,
Now take a deep breath , count to 10 and relax    There is no need to blame Evga take a minute to read what the other members are saying , your GPU is fine , it's the Q6600 that's slowing you down , do some more reading in the forums and you will see this argument has been had and resolved many times before
 
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 07:07:10 (permalink)
If there are known problems with the speed realization with Q6600 or other CPUs, then EVGA should be making that known in their advertising.
And if the CPU is so important in graphics speed, then maybe spending a premium on a GTX 5-series GPU is a waste of money.
 
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 07:10:36 (permalink)
He can't post a link as a new member, also that " [STOP] Your Score is Low Compared to Similar Systems. There may be a problem." is purely random, i have seen that message on the highest score of a certain setup lol, here is one of mine that has the same lame message, here is another pretty decent score with a single card with the same message.
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 07:13:07 (permalink)
Oh and the STOP sign in the Futuremark results is a sales pitch to sell software to you , this is a link to my 3D Mark 11 http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1236925 
 
It also says STOP

 
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 07:19:46 (permalink)
It is your duty as a buyer to commen yourself with the subject in question.
Advertising has a certain core of truth to it, but you can allways assume some factors are a little bit exaggerated, that's just the way the market works nowadays.
Now I don't mean this in a bad way, but if you can't figure out yourself that a brandnew 2011 GPU will not work at it's optimum with ± 5 year old system, you might want to catch up on some reading in the industry


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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 07:59:52 (permalink)
The CPU is 3 years old, and at the time it was the fastest widely available CPU on the street.
The motherboard is around 2 years old.
It looks like that CPU almost doubles my CPU clock rate and that realized maybe 2.5 times the Performance 3DMark.
And that is with a 470, instead of my 570 -- what is the difference ?
Maybe the CPU is the graphics processor to be concerned about, after all, not the GPU.
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:01:03 (permalink)
By the way, do EVGA motherboards that I see on the EVGA web site contain GPUs onboard ?
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:09:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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If there are known problems with the speed realization with Q6600 or other CPUs, then EVGA should be making that known in their advertising.
And if the CPU is so important in graphics speed, then maybe spending a premium on a GTX 5-series GPU is a waste of money.


I'm not sure it's their job to ?? You would have gotten the same result with ANY brand of Nvidia Card ?? Even any high end Ati card would most likely do the same thing.  It's like trying to power a big V8 engine ( GPU) with a fuel pump (CPU) from a little 4 cylinder car .. The engine spends more time waiting for the fuel than it does burning it so she spits and sputters ..... " The fuel in this case being any 3D application"
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of upgrading your computer
 
Edit : And I don't think there are any with onboard graphics  , but I could be wrong there
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:19:59 (permalink)
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The CPU is 3 years old, and at the time it was the fastest widely available CPU on the street.
The motherboard is around 2 years old.
It looks like that CPU almost doubles my CPU clock rate and that realized maybe 2.5 times the Performance 3DMark.
And that is with a 470, instead of my 570 -- what is the difference ?
Maybe the CPU is the graphics processor to be concerned about, after all, not the GPU.

The Q6600 launched in Q1 of 2007. As we're nearing the end of 2011 it has been almost 5 years since this baby came out.
even 3 years ago it was far but the fastest thing around. The Q6600 has been a low to mid end CPU since it came out.
The high-end S775 quad processers are the Q9xxx series.
 
There isn't much difference between the GTX 470 and 570 except that the 570 obviously has a little more processing power and a better performance/watt ratio. They also improved cooling solutions and so on. 500 series is actually just en pretty good revision of the original Fermi chip. Therefore I'm suprised you didn't see the same dissapointing results with your old GTX470?


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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:21:05 (permalink)
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If there are known problems with the speed realization with Q6600 or other CPUs, then EVGA should be making that known in their advertising.
And if the CPU is so important in graphics speed, then maybe spending a premium on a GTX 5-series GPU is a waste of money.


I'm not sure it's their job to ?? You would have gotten the same result with ANY brand of Nvidia Card ?? Even any high end Ati card would most likely do the same thing. 

+1^^
 

Aeneas32 you clearly need to educate yourself more. 


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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:22:42 (permalink)
The cpu is not 3 years old. I had a q6600 in my system in early 2007 I had to overclock it to 3.2ghz to get the most out of my 8800gt in SLI (wich is significantly slower than a 570). DX10 was just coming out. So I'm certain your CPU is the problem. there have been two new generations of processors released scince the Q6600.
As other members where saying."Post the 3dmark link."
We are trying to be helpful but your mind is closed t the resolution.
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:22:49 (permalink)
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If there are known problems with the speed realization with Q6600 or other CPUs, then EVGA should be making that known in their advertising.
And if the CPU is so important in graphics speed, then maybe spending a premium on a GTX 5-series GPU is a waste of money.

I'm not sure it's their job to ?? You would have gotten the same result with ANY brand of Nvidia Card ?? Even any high end Ati card would most likely do the same thing.  It's like trying to power a big V8 engine with a fuel pump from a little 4 cylinder car .. The engine spends more time waiting for the fuel than it does burning it so she spits and sputters ..... " The fuel in this case being any 3D application"
Welcome to the wonderful world of upgrading your computer
Edit : And I don't think there are any with onboard graphics  , but I could be wrong there

To be precise, it sounds from the statements here that it is EVGA which is marketing the V8 Fuel Pump when the customer possesses a 4-cyclinder car.
The V8 Fuel Pump seller has a responsibility to state that the V8 Fuel Pump is not recommended for a 4 cyclinder car.
And Q6600 nowadays is considered a high midrange chip.
Its aggregate un-overclocked clock rate is 2400x4 = 9600 GHz .
That is still faster than most chips on the street.
 
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:23:28 (permalink)
Aeneas32

By the way, do EVGA motherboards that I see on the EVGA web site contain GPUs onboard ?

No they do not.
 
And as far as how old your Computer is and the relation to how it would perform with your card.
It is not how old your computer is, it is how old the Technology is. Even a stock clocked X58 which was released in 2008 can cause a bottleneck neck for the 570 or ANY high end GPU be it from AMD or Nvidia. No manufacturer out there says on there products anything about the possibility of having to upgrade your system or overclocking it. That is up to the consumer to do research on the matter.
Also the Q6600 is three generations old. May have been good back in the day of the 8800 cards. Not anymore.

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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:24:19 (permalink)

There isn't much difference between the GTX 470 and 570 except that the 570 obviously has a little more processing power and a better performance/watt ratio

 
The 570 is actually a die shrink of the 480. The 580 is a fully unlocked FERMI GPU.
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Re:Ripped Off with EVGA GTX 570 on Q6600 2011/10/03 08:25:35 (permalink)
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The CPU is 3 years old, and at the time it was the fastest widely available CPU on the street.
The motherboard is around 2 years old.
It looks like that CPU almost doubles my CPU clock rate and that realized maybe 2.5 times the Performance 3DMark.
And that is with a 470, instead of my 570 -- what is the difference ?
Maybe the CPU is the graphics processor to be concerned about, after all, not the GPU.

The Q6600 launched in Q1 of 2007. As we're nearing the end of 2011 it has been almost 5 years since this baby came out.
even 3 years ago it was far but the fastest thing around. The Q6600 has been a low to mid end CPU since it came out.
The high-end S775 quad processers are the Q9xxx series.

There isn't much difference between the GTX 470 and 570 except that the 570 obviously has a little more processing power and a better performance/watt ratio. They also improved cooling solutions and so on. 500 series is actually just en pretty good revision of the original Fermi chip. Therefore I'm suprised you didn't see the same dissapointing results with your old GTX470?


I think he is referring to my 3D Mark link , and he did not say what GPU he is upgrading from ?
 
And it's 3 - 470's for the record

 
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