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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/23 21:16:07
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The GTS 450 moved right into the next wu with a 14k+ ppd, so I don't think the card kicked it's oc and was in 2D clocks. Probably something in that wu like you said. Had one the other day that dropped my GTX 465 into the 12k ppd range and it has been in the 15k+ ppd to 16k+ ppd since using the -advmethods flag.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 06:12:26
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Rut roh. Just got a P10632 on my GTS 450 even with -advmethods and it's only doing 7,541 PPD. 
I was afraid that might happen. The relatively low shader count on the 450s is bound to be an issue with WUs that are capable of utilizing more shaders. Unfortunately, only time will tell how often that will be an issue.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 08:51:48
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parja
kram36
Rut roh. Just got a P10632 on my GTS 450 even with -advmethods and it's only doing 7,541 PPD.
I was afraid that might happen. The relatively low shader count on the 450s is bound to be an issue with WUs that are capable of utilizing more shaders. Unfortunately, only time will tell how often that will be an issue.
That was one of my concerns as well, and one of the reasons why I opted for the 460 EEs instead. The other reason was I´m planning to put 4 of them on my 790FX- GD70, and I don´t want to fry them.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 14:41:19
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Just got a 10632 unit - Running stock clocks I get 9600PPD. 920MHz stock atm to see if my card is going bad... had to move the card to the server, because today it doesn't like my folding rig for some reason and kept EUEing even at stock. Guess I'll see in a few hours if I have to RMA my brand new EVGA GTS 450 FTW >_<
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 16:10:50
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I'm happy to report my new build with my first Fermi purchase is up and cruching its first protein! The 450 is showing on HFM that its a Core 15 p11255 (R1, C12, 615) 912 point unit. PPD 13,585! We'll see how it goes overnight.... Oh, and core is 947, shader 1894.. GPU only 48C!!! with 90% fan
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 16:40:44
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Have 2 450's doing 28k+ a day
480 does 16k to 17k and uses at least twice the power.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 16:50:26
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Add me to the list with clients folding on GTS450's. Just picked up two today. I had a hell of a time getting them running, but all seems ok now.
Current clocks are 920/1840/1804 with the fans set at 60%. Temp on card 1 is 59C and card 2 is 44C.
PPD on card 1 is 14021 (Project P10934, 925 pts) and card 2 is 13779 (Project P10935, 925 pts).
One of my gtx 260's has an off-balance fan, so I was trying to replace it with the 450. With the PPD we're seeing, I might dump all my 200 series cards and replace them with 450's. I'll see how they do over the weekend.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 16:57:22
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kram36
Rut roh. Just got a P10632 on my GTS 450 even with -advmethods and it's only doing 7,541 PPD.
I was afraid that might happen. The relatively low shader count on the 450s is bound to be an issue with WUs that are capable of utilizing more shaders. Unfortunately, only time will tell how often that will be an issue.
Yep. Will play this one out for a bit before I pick up another one. I'm happy with the GTS 450 except that one wu. I might take the -advmethods flag out for a few wu's and see how it does. Maybe they will drop the P10632's.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 17:07:39
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OK, 450 owners, can you check your HFM.net logs and report back with what your average PPDs are for projects in the 10626-10633 range?
Those projects have 582 atoms each whereas all of the other OPENMMGPU projects I'm seeing are 247 or 264 atoms. I'm guessing the higher atom count is making those units capable of utilizing more shaders, causing a big PPD drop for the lower shader cards.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 18:19:43
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Haven't got one yet Parja.. but I have to report my second wu
recieved on my new 450 is now running a P10962 OPENMMGPU
at an astounding 14,531 PPD! 1k more than the first one..got the priorities and affinities all sorted out now that SMP is running also... I'll check the logs in the AM to see what I get overnight.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 19:35:10
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I need someone to explain something to me with these 450s. I have searched to the end of the net and found 1 forum article about low GPU usage with F@H on these specific GPUs (to some chosen few like myself) What I read was to change compatibility mode for F@H, to which I did and went from a stuck 70% to 80% using Vista mode. The poster in the forum then went on to say if they OCd the CPU,GPU usage went DOWN. I had my CPU mildly OC'd for running the SMP's (67xx 20-28hrs) Its default clock is 3.1, I have UNDER clocked it to 2.0 and the GPU is now running 93~95% usage with a PPD of 12507.43 WU- P11229 (R1,G10,C15) 912 points/ 12507.43 PPD
Windows compatibility= Vista (tried every mode this works the best) AMD CPU= Athlon x3 445 default 3.1 @ 2.0 (under clocked) GTS 450 = 900/1800/1804 You folks are much more intelligent than I, anyone have any idea why this would work this way? I have to add I am trying everything possible to AVOID at all cost the RMA process and return process.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 19:58:04
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How many video cards do you have in that board howdy?
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 20:01:44
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Just 1 right now, testing to see if its going to be stable and thinking if it works Im going to install the other one
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 20:14:02
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I like the ppd its doing less then my 470
I'm going to look at the prices for the 450 its doing better then my 260.
  
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 20:21:27
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The only thing I can see different Kram is most of you guys are running Intel and Im using AMD. Although S7icky is running an AMD and having no issues. I just cant understand why this needs to be this way, unless it is a driver issue of some sort.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 20:28:07
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howdy2u2
I need someone to explain something to me with these 450s. I have searched to the end of the net and found 1 forum article about low GPU usage with F@H on these specific GPUs (to some chosen few like myself) What I read was to change compatibility mode for F@H, to which I did and went from a stuck 70% to 80% using Vista mode.
The poster in the forum then went on to say if they OCd the CPU,GPU usage went DOWN.
I had my CPU mildly OC'd for running the SMP's (67xx 20-28hrs) Its default clock is 3.1, I have UNDER clocked it to 2.0 and the GPU is now running 93~95% usage with a PPD of 12507.43
WU- P11229 (R1,G10,C15) 912 points/ 12507.43 PPD
Windows compatibility= Vista (tried every mode this works the best)
AMD CPU= Athlon x3 445 default 3.1 @ 2.0 (under clocked)
GTS 450 = 900/1800/1804
You folks are much more intelligent than I, anyone have any idea why this would work this way?
I have to add I am trying everything possible to AVOID at all cost the RMA process and return process.
Howdy, When I first put my two 450's into my dedicated folding rig, I could barely get them past 30% usage. That was using the driver's supplied with the two cards. So I then did a clean install of the beta drivers available on nvidia's site. This seemed to help somewhat, getting me up to around 70% usage. The whole time I hadn't yet tried to start my smp client... as a result my CPU was downclocked. As soon as I started my SMP client, the usage on the two 450's jumped to 99%. Though I'm probably wrong, you might want to go into your bios, and return the configs back to default settings. Thus clocking your CPU at it's normal speed. That might allow you to fold on your CPU and GPU's at full speed...
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 20:36:25
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Jpeck, I have/had the same issue and basically followed the same route as you did. I'm going to let this 1 finish this WU and add the 2nd 1 into the mix, see what happens. Then Ill go into BIOS and try your suggestion. Im just excited that I got this damn thing into the 90s for GPU usage.I just have to take it a little at a time right now, Ive been bummed out for the last 3 days working on this issue.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 21:20:25
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I understand! Couldn't believe how much effort it took for me to get these 450's running.
Now it appears my CPU in the same rig is running slower than it should... back to the drawing board for me.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 21:26:12
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Only effort I really had to put into my GTS 450 was pulling the GTX 285 out it replaced and putting it into the system.
Maybe check your bios for some type of cpu speed stepping and disable it.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 21:47:58
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No issues for me to get 450's running at 99% GPU at stock or overclocked. Also CPU speed does not seem to effect my 450's performance. Not running smp client.
post edited by awalleyeguy - 2010/09/24 22:35:14
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 21:54:17
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Bah, just my luck to get a bad GTS 450. Swapped between 2 computers and I'm still getting multiple NANs at stock clocks & Vcore. I underclocked it and stability appears to be marginally better now, however I've started the RMA process. Here's hoping the next one doesn't let down (booming voice) ScIeNcE!
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/24 23:27:05
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Well I added in the 2nd card and its folding.
Reset clock on CPU to stock and restarted folding, GPU usage dropped off to 70% both cards @ stock CPU clocks. Installed SMP client and GPUs dropped off to 30-40%. Deleted SMP client Went back in to BIOS and UNDER clocked CPU to 2.0 - GPU 1 95%, GPU 2 84%
Going to hold here and see what tomorrow brings
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/25 05:52:40
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I know guys are running 6 & 7 GPU's with the SR2.
Windows 7 will support upto 8 GPU's.
I tried that and it never works out for me. I can get 140,000 ppd from my SR-2 without any GPUS. I would love to add the GPUs to the mix but leaving 1 CPU off and adding up to 3 GTX 480's still puts my PPD down. An I doing something wrong :( Joe
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/25 06:10:51
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looks like that 10632 is a new test core. maybe they haven't worked out the kinks yet. seen a few WUs come through that struggle to use 99% consistently on the GPU even if they are the only thing running.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/25 06:19:53
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Im still up in arms with these little guys. Im giving them another chance at life in my system. Pros: (for my set up) Less power Less heat OC like mad Quiet Cons: PITA to set up in my system Not producing as I would like them to Dont get me wrong but Id like to see the usage up @ the 100% range. More PPD=more WU done and that is my goal, scoot through the WUs without errors and call it a day. I cant really complain though because the current WUs= 22k PPD which is ~4k better than the 200s that were in the same box. I just wish the computer gods would shine a little light on me and let me get these to 100% usage. Then I could see what these can really do in my set up. They are both running about 78-85% usage and wont go any higher  Side note: If one wants to run 2 GPUs does the MOBO necessarily have to be SLI capable? Question meaning, If I was to get a xfire board with 2 PCI-E slots and not wanting to run Xfire (NVidia GPUs anyway) folding only does it work? I have another CPU (AMDx4) sitting here and almost enough items to build yet another system.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/25 06:36:34
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Gotta learn to keep my mouth shut.. just got a P10632 WU for each of my three GPUs :(
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/25 06:40:46
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For me when I run smp and gpu my gpu usage goes down, and so does ppd. I just figured it was because this rig only has 4GB of ram.
Also does not matter what gpu I use. Has always been this way for me. More points and wu with only gpu.
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/25 06:50:10
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Gotta learn to keep my mouth shut.. just got a P10632 WU for each of my three GPUs :(
Have you tried using the -advmethods flag ?
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/25 06:52:32
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For me when I run smp and gpu my gpu usage goes down, and so does ppd. I just figured it was because this rig only has 4GB of ram.
Also does not matter what gpu I use. Has always been this way for me. More points and wu with only gpu.
You need process lasso, you can set the affinity so that the GPU's get a dedicated core and you can also make it so the GPU core has a higher priority so it always gets the resources it needs and the CPU only takes what is not needed
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Re:GTS 450 for folding
2010/09/25 06:56:43
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hmm having trouble quoting in IE9... i was using -advmethods but I took it off to try to avoid getting them. got them anyway on the next download.
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