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I think I posted about this almost a year ago, but there was never a solution. So I recently got a pair a GTX 980 Ti's and I'm experiencing the same old issue I did with my GTX Titans, which is a significant performance drop in gaming and benchmarks when my ROG Swift is plugged in. Note that this is irregardless of whether or not G-sync is turned on or off in the NVCP or if it's an inactive display. It only happens when it's plugged in and thus the G-sync options are available in the NVCP. It seems to be driver-related and it still hasn't been "fixed" for me. I used to think maybe it was my old Titans, but it's happening with brand new 980 Ti's. One thing I noticed is that under GPU-Z and NVCP, the Bus Interface is PCI-E 2.0 instead of 3.0. This prompted me to the following fix: http://forums.evga.com/How-to-enable-PCIE-30-in-Windows-8-and-81-Regular-and-Pro-m2063059.aspx However, there's still a performance hit of 5% (which is much better, but it's still there and it's really bugging me). I did this a few days ago. This morning, every game I started up was crashing at some point, so I figured maybe this "fix" has externalities of some sort. Is there a better way to enable PCI-E 3.0? Just to be sure it isn't something else, I performed a clean install of Windows 8.1. The issue persists. I'm also having stability issues, as the display drivers stopped working randomly then came back on, leaving my screen frozen for about 15 seconds. Are the most recent Geforce drivers a mess or something? For reference, here are my relevant system specs: Display(s): Asus PG278Q & Asus PB278Q GPU(s): 2x GTX 980 Ti Mobo: Asus Rampage IV Formula CPU: i7 3930K @ 4.3GHz Memory: Corsair 16GB @ 1866MHz PSU: Corsair AX 1200i Note that the EZ Plug above my top graphics card on the mobo is not plugged in. I used to always plug it in, but it doesn't seem to make a different. I don't think it causes a lack of power delivery, but correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/06/28 23:43:24
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In the BIOS -> Advanced -> System Agent Configuration settings, set PCIE_X16 Link Speeds to [Gen 3] if not already set. Instead of manually regediting, grab the force-enable-gen3.exe near the bottom of the webpage and run it. Uninstall the Graphics Driver in Safe Mode using Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) and then perform a Custom (Advanced) install of Hotfix driver 353.38, selecting only to install PhysX (unless any of the other optional driver components are needed) along with the Graphics Driver..Then run force-enable-gen3.exe. Then run the Render Test in GPU-Z and see how it rolls. Just a few things to try.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/06/29 01:51:58
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bob16314 In the BIOS -> Advanced -> System Agent Configuration settings, set PCIE_X16 Link Speeds to [Gen 3] if not already set. Instead of manually regediting, grab the force-enable-gen3.exe near the bottom of the webpage and run it. Uninstall the Graphics Driver in Safe Mode using Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) and then perform a Custom (Advanced) install of Hotfix driver 353.38, selecting only to install PhysX (unless any of the other optional driver components are needed) along with the Graphics Driver..Then run force-enable-gen3.exe. Then run the Render Test in GPU-Z and see how it rolls. Just a few things to try.
Thanks for your reply. The force-enable-gen3.exe didn't do anything. I restarted my PC after, but still no change. I downloaded it, then opened it. I tried it multiple times. Perhaps it's outdated? Please note I'm using Windows 8.1. Update: Got it to work. I had to run it as an admin for it to work. I'm going to run 3DMark and see if this changed anything. Update: The G-sync display hit is still about 5 percent. Does anyone else have this issue or can they try it out? Note that this issue only persists in SLI. (1) Run 3DMark with G-sync off, but your G-sync display plugged in (does not have to be active, just plugged in) (2) Run 3DMark with G-sync display plugged in. Make sure settings and overclock are exactly the same as in the first test. (3) Compare the two graphics scores. Like I said, it's been almost a year and changing the graphics cards didn't change the problem. PCI-E 3.0 helped, but still didn't eliminate the disparity.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/06/29 06:31:41
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When you say 5% performance hit, what is that in comparison to? Are you running the benchmarks with another monitor and comparing the ROG Swift to those results? Or are you saying running the test with two monitors (one having gsync) is different than just one monitor plugged in?
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/06/29 07:31:11
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Keep in mind that when you run the "force-enable-gen3" patch, you need to run it "as administrator" for it to work and then reboot.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/06/29 13:20:36
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Crimson AL When you say 5% performance hit, what is that in comparison to? Are you running the benchmarks with another monitor and comparing the ROG Swift to those results? Or are you saying running the test with two monitors (one having gsync) is different than just one monitor plugged in?
When the G-sync monitor is plugged in, there is a 5% performance hit (it was 17% with the PCI-E Gen 2 default). This happens even if the ROG Swift is turned off as an active monitor in the NVCP under Set Up Multiple Displays. This is also the case if I turn off my second monitor (or unplug it, it doesn't matter) and run the ROG Swift as the primary or only monitor. Note that I always have G-sync off for these tests since G-sync would cap my FPS at 144. It's the presence of the G-sync options in the NVCP that mess everything up, which means it's a driver-related issue. A year ago, others claimed that they didn't take a performance hit. It'd be nice if someone could test this with their SLI setup and G-sync display. It could simply be an X79 issue, which totally sucks since that used to be the top tier platform. bdary Keep in mind that when you run the "force-enable-gen3" patch, you need to run it "as administrator" for it to work and then reboot.
That's what I did, as I mentioned in my previous comment.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/06/29 15:52:26
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bkhan530 I'll test this in a few as I have a non-gsync display right next to my PG278Q and those exact models of the 980 in SLI. Edit: Here are my results with FireStrike: Drivers: 347.09 WHQL System: Intel 3770K @ 4.5 GHz, 16 GB 2133 MHz ram, Asus Maximus V Motherboard, 2 x EVGA GTX 980 SC with ACX 2.0, Monitors: LG 27EA83-D (IPS), ASUS ROG PG278Q (G-Sync) ALL RUNS DONE USING STOCK CLOCKS WITH SLI ENABLED Run 1: Multimonitor setup with LG as slave and ROG as primary: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565202 Run 2: Multimonitor setup with LG as primary and ROG as slave: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565246 Run 3: LG connected to GPU, ROG physically disconnected from GPU: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565273 Run 4: ROG connected to GPU, LG physically disconnected: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565303 Compare link of LG only vs ROG only: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3829337/fs/3829356 While there is certainly a hit with G-Sync around 4-5% (graphics score), I don't see the purported 30% hit that this guy is talking about. Regardless, it seems clear the G-Sync module introduces overhead and NVIDIA should focus on optimizing that, especially with FreeSync coming.
Can't believe they haven't fixed this yet. bkhan530 reported this in January of this year.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/07/02 12:48:04
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bkhan530 I'll test this in a few as I have a non-gsync display right next to my PG278Q and those exact models of the 980 in SLI. Edit: Here are my results with FireStrike: Drivers: 347.09 WHQL System: Intel 3770K @ 4.5 GHz, 16 GB 2133 MHz ram, Asus Maximus V Motherboard, 2 x EVGA GTX 980 SC with ACX 2.0, Monitors: LG 27EA83-D (IPS), ASUS ROG PG278Q (G-Sync) ALL RUNS DONE USING STOCK CLOCKS WITH SLI ENABLED Run 1: Multimonitor setup with LG as slave and ROG as primary: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565202 Run 2: Multimonitor setup with LG as primary and ROG as slave: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565246 Run 3: LG connected to GPU, ROG physically disconnected from GPU: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565273 Run 4: ROG connected to GPU, LG physically disconnected: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565303 Compare link of LG only vs ROG only: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3829337/fs/3829356 While there is certainly a hit with G-Sync around 4-5% (graphics score), I don't see the purported 30% hit that this guy is talking about. Regardless, it seems clear the G-Sync module introduces overhead and NVIDIA should focus on optimizing that, especially with FreeSync coming.
Can't believe they haven't fixed this yet. bkhan530 reported this in January of this year.
I doubt it'll be fixed anytime soon (if at all). We're such a small subset of consumers, so Nvidia could probably care less if their top 1% are getting 5% worse performance with g-sync enabled. Here's an interesting thought though: Do you think benchmarks in all of the 980 Ti reviews are hampered by this? Most reviewers have g-sync monitors and I'm sure there use them for their tests (but with g-sync off), which would lower the 980Ti performance by 4-6%. I haven't seen any overclock results that match mine, so perhaps that is the case. I think it's something to consider.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/07/02 13:43:09
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bkhan530 I'll test this in a few as I have a non-gsync display right next to my PG278Q and those exact models of the 980 in SLI. Edit: Here are my results with FireStrike: Drivers: 347.09 WHQL System: Intel 3770K @ 4.5 GHz, 16 GB 2133 MHz ram, Asus Maximus V Motherboard, 2 x EVGA GTX 980 SC with ACX 2.0, Monitors: LG 27EA83-D (IPS), ASUS ROG PG278Q (G-Sync) ALL RUNS DONE USING STOCK CLOCKS WITH SLI ENABLED Run 1: Multimonitor setup with LG as slave and ROG as primary: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565202 Run 2: Multimonitor setup with LG as primary and ROG as slave: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565246 Run 3: LG connected to GPU, ROG physically disconnected from GPU: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565273 Run 4: ROG connected to GPU, LG physically disconnected: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565303 Compare link of LG only vs ROG only: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3829337/fs/3829356 While there is certainly a hit with G-Sync around 4-5% (graphics score), I don't see the purported 30% hit that this guy is talking about. Regardless, it seems clear the G-Sync module introduces overhead and NVIDIA should focus on optimizing that, especially with FreeSync coming.
Can't believe they haven't fixed this yet. bkhan530 reported this in January of this year.
I doubt it'll be fixed anytime soon (if at all). We're such a small subset of consumers, so Nvidia could probably care less if their top 1% are getting 5% worse performance with g-sync enabled. Here's an interesting thought though: Do you think benchmarks in all of the 980 Ti reviews are hampered by this? Most reviewers have g-sync monitors and I'm sure there use them for their tests (but with g-sync off), which would lower the 980Ti performance by 4-6%. I haven't seen any overclock results that match mine, so perhaps that is the case. I think it's something to consider.
Definitely something to consider. 980 Ti & Titan X are really pwning the Fury X then.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/07/03 15:41:38
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bkhan530 I'll test this in a few as I have a non-gsync display right next to my PG278Q and those exact models of the 980 in SLI. Edit: Here are my results with FireStrike: Drivers: 347.09 WHQL System: Intel 3770K @ 4.5 GHz, 16 GB 2133 MHz ram, Asus Maximus V Motherboard, 2 x EVGA GTX 980 SC with ACX 2.0, Monitors: LG 27EA83-D (IPS), ASUS ROG PG278Q (G-Sync) ALL RUNS DONE USING STOCK CLOCKS WITH SLI ENABLED Run 1: Multimonitor setup with LG as slave and ROG as primary: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565202 Run 2: Multimonitor setup with LG as primary and ROG as slave: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565246 Run 3: LG connected to GPU, ROG physically disconnected from GPU: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565273 Run 4: ROG connected to GPU, LG physically disconnected: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565303 Compare link of LG only vs ROG only: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3829337/fs/3829356 While there is certainly a hit with G-Sync around 4-5% (graphics score), I don't see the purported 30% hit that this guy is talking about. Regardless, it seems clear the G-Sync module introduces overhead and NVIDIA should focus on optimizing that, especially with FreeSync coming.
Can't believe they haven't fixed this yet. bkhan530 reported this in January of this year.
I doubt it'll be fixed anytime soon (if at all). We're such a small subset of consumers, so Nvidia could probably care less if their top 1% are getting 5% worse performance with g-sync enabled. Here's an interesting thought though: Do you think benchmarks in all of the 980 Ti reviews are hampered by this? Most reviewers have g-sync monitors and I'm sure there use them for their tests (but with g-sync off), which would lower the 980Ti performance by 4-6%. I haven't seen any overclock results that match mine, so perhaps that is the case. I think it's something to consider.
Definitely something to consider. 980 Ti & Titan X are really pwning the Fury X then.
It makes sense honestly. Nvidia, fix this please. Your card will look even better in comparisons.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/07/08 09:15:51
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bkhan530 I'll test this in a few as I have a non-gsync display right next to my PG278Q and those exact models of the 980 in SLI. Edit: Here are my results with FireStrike: Drivers: 347.09 WHQL System: Intel 3770K @ 4.5 GHz, 16 GB 2133 MHz ram, Asus Maximus V Motherboard, 2 x EVGA GTX 980 SC with ACX 2.0, Monitors: LG 27EA83-D (IPS), ASUS ROG PG278Q (G-Sync) ALL RUNS DONE USING STOCK CLOCKS WITH SLI ENABLED Run 1: Multimonitor setup with LG as slave and ROG as primary: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565202 Run 2: Multimonitor setup with LG as primary and ROG as slave: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565246 Run 3: LG connected to GPU, ROG physically disconnected from GPU: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565273 Run 4: ROG connected to GPU, LG physically disconnected: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/5565303 Compare link of LG only vs ROG only: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3829337/fs/3829356 While there is certainly a hit with G-Sync around 4-5% (graphics score), I don't see the purported 30% hit that this guy is talking about. Regardless, it seems clear the G-Sync module introduces overhead and NVIDIA should focus on optimizing that, especially with FreeSync coming.
Can't believe they haven't fixed this yet. bkhan530 reported this in January of this year.
I doubt it'll be fixed anytime soon (if at all). We're such a small subset of consumers, so Nvidia could probably care less if their top 1% are getting 5% worse performance with g-sync enabled. Here's an interesting thought though: Do you think benchmarks in all of the 980 Ti reviews are hampered by this? Most reviewers have g-sync monitors and I'm sure there use them for their tests (but with g-sync off), which would lower the 980Ti performance by 4-6%. I haven't seen any overclock results that match mine, so perhaps that is the case. I think it's something to consider.
Definitely something to consider. 980 Ti & Titan X are really pwning the Fury X then.
Report driver issues directly to NVIDIA: http://www.nvidia.com/obj...rqualityassurance.html It makes sense honestly. Nvidia, fix this please. Your card will look even better in comparisons.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/07/28 10:15:32
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I just tested this myself. I used a PG278Q and a Vizio TV. PG278Q only with G-Sync & V-Sync off... Firestrike Extreme: 9190 Graphics Score: 9797 Vizio TV only with V-Sync off & no G-Sync listed in nvidia control panel: Firestrike Extreme total score: 9200 Graphics score: 9807 Driver used: 353.30. Looks like this problem doesn't exist on my system.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/07/28 13:49:43
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I get higher 3d mark scores by 5% if I unplug all my monitors and just run 1. Even higher if I use HDMI over display port. Weird.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2015/07/28 15:21:08
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PG278Q SLI Firestrike Extreme: 3DMark Score 12683 Graphics Score 14403 Physics Score 16118 Combined Score 5726 Graphics Test 1 79.86 fps Graphics Test 2 51.5 fps Physics Test 51.17 fps Combined Test 26.64 fps Vizio TV SLI Firestrike Extreme: 3DMark Score 13053 Graphics Score 14995 Physics Score 16123 Combined Score 5784 Graphics Test 1 82.94 fps Graphics Test 2 53.71 fps Physics Test 51.19 fps Combined Test 26.9 fps 2-3 fps difference is all it takes for you to get beat in benchmarks.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
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I figured I'd revive this thread with an update. I recently purchased an Asus PG348Q (3440x1440 100Hz g-sync display), and now my performance drop due to g-sync is 10-15% lower under the same clock speeds. Note that I'm still running the same 3Dmark Firestrike test as before. Would anyone else with a 3440x1440 g-sync display be willing to replicate these tests? (1) Run 3DMark with G-sync off, but your G-sync display plugged in (does not have to be active, just plugged in) (2) Run 3DMark with G-sync display plugged in. Make sure settings and overclock are exactly the same as in the first test. (3) Compare the two graphics scores. Taking note of Sajin's response, it's possible that Sandy Bridge E is the culprit and doesn't truly use PCI-E 3.0 since his performance hit is within the margin or error. If so, it seems like the g-sync SLI performance hit is higher when on a higher resolution and using Sandy Bridge E.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2016/07/08 20:27:40
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Sajin Hmm. Not good.
When you replicated the test, were you using a 5960X?
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2016/07/09 03:40:02
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Update: I've been using Fire Strike normal as my test this entire time. Comparing Fire Strike Ultra results without a g-sync display to with the PG348Q yields a much different result. The performance hit is now 2-3%, which is essentially negligible. This is a rather odd finding.
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Re: GTX 980 Ti SLI G-sync Issues
2016/07/09 13:02:43
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Sajin Hmm. Not good.
When you replicated the test, were you using a 5960X?
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