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2015/02/27 11:19:14 (permalink)
Hi I just ordered by first loop from EKWB: see below did I miss anything?
EK-XRES 140 D5 Vario (incl. pump)
EK-CoolStream RAD XTX (240)
EK-HD Tube 12/16mm 500mm (2 pcs)
EK-HD Tube D.I.Y. Kit 10&12mm
EK-HDC Fitting 16mm G1/4 - Nickel(6 pcs)
EK-Supremacy EVO - Full Nickel (Original CSQ)   
I wanted to add another RAD XTX 240 or 360 to the loop and 2 x 980 classified blocks, is that doable with a single loop? or should I get another EK-XRES 100 D5 for the cpu and run to separate loops. 
FYI I would prefer 1 loop because of the space in my case(760T).
 
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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/02/27 12:32:04 (permalink)
    I will be watching this thread carefully,as I too want to try my first custom loop.Good luck and if you have time could you possibly show pics of your "build log"?

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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/02/27 13:11:57 (permalink)
    If you're just doing the cpu and the 2 980 classifieds, you might be better off with just  a 360 rad. The general guideline is 120mm rad space for every component. You can always do the 360 and 240 but it would be overkill in my opinion. And personally, if I want more rad space I prefer getting one bigger rad like a 420 or 480 versus 2 smaller ones but that's me. 
     
    Edit: oh, if you get the second rad you should be able to run one D5/res combo

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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/02/27 13:15:11 (permalink)
    Looking at your case, you can fit the 360 radiator up top and since you'd prefer one loop I say go with a 360 up top. 

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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/02/28 12:22:12 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback
    I'm gonna build the cpu loop then add the gpu blocks when I decide what gpu's to get(I returned the classifieds due to terrible oc from factory bios)
    I will defiantly create a log on this post and also compare my current Noctua NH-D15 to this custom loop.
    As long as my RMA with newegg goes through, does anyone need backplates?
    Also anyone got an opinion on good oc videocards on water? I was thinking 2 x gtx 970 g1 or waiting for a gm200? FYI i'm running 5760x1060 at 60hz
    I really think the way the 980's power delivery system is designed, it needs a custom bios to achieve a noticeable oc as afterburner and precisionX really have only little gains because of the bios voltage lock. I'm not ditching on them but though for the money they would have made it a bit easier, like why 3 bios if they are all locked. I wonder if the kingpins are the same.
     

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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/02/28 12:28:24 (permalink)
    rlb9682 I was looking at some videos from jay's 2 cents and he was saying he wouldn't feel comfortable with only one 360 rad and my case will only take up to a 360 on top. With regards to the room in the case, I have the room for the rads(240 and 360)but with 2 reservoir it would be a little tight and make my life harder with the acrylic tube bends.  

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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/02/28 23:59:29 (permalink)
    You only need one reservoir per loop. You can use just a single D5 and res for a dual radiator loop, just be efficient with the tubing routing to minimize the total length of the loop. 
     
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    Have water, will cool. 
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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/03/03 16:11:52 (permalink)
    The 1x120 for every component needs 2 caveats... 1) this will keep a temp safe, not necessarily that good, 2) not really that good of an idea if you plan on overclocking.
     
    1x120 will keep you safe, hence things like H50's, BUT, H50s when clocked REALLY struggle. 
     
    If you are jumping into watercooling, you are normally doing it for one or more of these reasons: 1) you like the look, you are wanting to drop the db level versus a BIG HSF, 3) you are a clocker and you want to get those temps DOWN and you are not wanting the investment, or setup/prep/maintenance of a chiller or Phase system.
    If this is simply because it looks cool and maybe a bit quieter under heavy load, what you selected would be fine, with a single 360.
     
    Being that you have Classifieds and are going water, to me that says you are clocking and benching some and trying to keep it cool, and I would hater to see you spend this kind of money for rather lack-luster cooling, sure it will be better than reference but not by the margins you are wanting to see.  In general I suggest 1x 120 for just keeping things quiet, 1x360 for 2 items to 2x120 (240) per device if you are clocking /benching and are pushing your hardware hard, 360 per device is overkill, but I can see it if you are trying to be competitive in the ambient based cooling and you are still seeing your coolant temps increasing. 
     
    I usually sit in the 360 for 2 devices to a 240 per device, you do this and you will see some really solid temps.
     
    With the case you have I would go with a 360 AND 240, with that you can clock as hard as you want and know it will never get NEAR thermal threshold, and even under heavy load, you will see good temps.  Remember it is always better to have too much radiator than not enough.
     
    Not trying to argue with you rlb9682 or to belittle your knowledge, but this is how I approach my cooling and advise others to do as well. :)
     
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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/03/03 16:58:46 (permalink)
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    The 1x120 for every component needs 2 caveats... 1) this will keep a temp safe, not necessarily that good, 2) not really that good of an idea if you plan on overclocking.
     
    1x120 will keep you safe, hence things like H50's, BUT, H50s when clocked REALLY struggle. 
     
    If you are jumping into watercooling, you are normally doing it for one or more of these reasons: 1) you like the look, you are wanting to drop the db level versus a BIG HSF, 3) you are a clocker and you want to get those temps DOWN and you are not wanting the investment, or setup/prep/maintenance of a chiller or Phase system.
    If this is simply because it looks cool and maybe a bit quieter under heavy load, what you selected would be fine, with a single 360.
     
    Being that you have Classifieds and are going water, to me that says you are clocking and benching some and trying to keep it cool, and I would hater to see you spend this kind of money for rather lack-luster cooling, sure it will be better than reference but not by the margins you are wanting to see.  In general I suggest 1x 120 for just keeping things quiet, 1x360 for 2 items to 2x120 (240) per device if you are clocking /benching and are pushing your hardware hard, 360 per device is overkill, but I can see it if you are trying to be competitive in the ambient based cooling and you are still seeing your coolant temps increasing. 
     
    I usually sit in the 360 for 2 devices to a 240 per device, you do this and you will see some really solid temps.
     
    With the case you have I would go with a 360 AND 240, with that you can clock as hard as you want and know it will never get NEAR thermal threshold, and even under heavy load, you will see good temps.  Remember it is always better to have too much radiator than not enough.
     
    Not trying to argue with you rlb9682 or to belittle your knowledge, but this is how I approach my cooling and advise others to do as well. :)
     



    Thanks Dave, you helped answer some of my questions with your answer. 
     
    In big industrial equipment cooling setting I have noticed that circulation speed of the coolant is also critical to heat exchange. 
     
    Too fast (gpm) fluid flow is worse than slower flows.  Do not know if it was cavitation or  just that the coolant was not given the opportunity absorber/ exchange the thermal load. 
     
    How do you best determine the pump speed in your liquid cooling loop?
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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/03/04 10:21:09 (permalink)
    @Kool GTX
    Well, in general most of the PC watercooling pumps do not have THAT much power to where it is a problem.  Sure you can run a 655 Strong on a low restriction block, 120 radiator at Wide Open Throttle and cause the problem you are describing.  In industrial you are 100% right, but there is some seriously powerful equipment there.
    For the longest time, if I was cooling 1-3 devices I used a 655 on the mid speed (3) and that did well, if I got past that number and/or added in a second radiator I went to speed5. 
    For the PC, too much is very rarely an issue, and the 655 really is the staple workhorse of the industry, I ran 2 360s, CPU block, VRM block, mobo block 2 full cover GPU blocks and it ran great and kept everything nice and cool.  And if I wanted to move it to a really tiny loop, the adjustable version I can just turn it down a couple notches.  Also some of the newer model pumps have PWM controllers and you can control it from a PWM based external fan controller or through the BIOS until you find your hardware's sweet spot.
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    Re: FIRST CUSTOM LOOP 2015/03/04 12:19:25 (permalink)
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    @Kool GTX
    Well, in general most of the PC watercooling pumps do not have THAT much power to where it is a problem.  Sure you can run a 655 Strong on a low restriction block, 120 radiator at Wide Open Throttle and cause the problem you are describing.  In industrial you are 100% right, but there is some seriously powerful equipment there.
    For the longest time, if I was cooling 1-3 devices I used a 655 on the mid speed (3) and that did well, if I got past that number and/or added in a second radiator I went to speed5. 
    For the PC, too much is very rarely an issue, and the 655 really is the staple workhorse of the industry, I ran 2 360s, CPU block, VRM block, mobo block 2 full cover GPU blocks and it ran great and kept everything nice and cool.  And if I wanted to move it to a really tiny loop, the adjustable version I can just turn it down a couple notches.  Also some of the newer model pumps have PWM controllers and you can control it from a PWM based external fan controller or through the BIOS until you find your hardware's sweet spot.


    Thank you EVGATech DaveB, for the insight. 
     
    I have decided to go with the Swiftech H240-X for my first CPU water cooler as it will allow me to expand it in the future if I decide to put my EVGA 2-way SLI 780Ti Kingpins under water in the future.
     
    Plan on taking my Silicon Lottery bind & delid i7-4790K @ 4.8GHz (@ 1.325 VCore & 1.92V CPU input) and trying to get 5.2GHz with my new build I have started based around an Asus Z97-WS MB in a Corsair 760T case.
     
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    Figure its good to have a goal for the build; testing will determine what will be stable.
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