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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/10/31 08:04:11 (permalink)
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To Run Long Tasks Only :
 
Location: C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\www.gpugrid.net
 
File Name: app_config.xml
 
<app_config>
   <app>
   <name>acemdlong</name>
   <max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent>
   <gpu_versions>
       <gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
       <cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
   </gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>
 




does that work for you? everytime I try to restrict a project like that ( with 0 max concurrent) it just completely ignores it. 
 
GPUGrid's website lets you pick which projects though. Wish I could get it to work, I would like to run specific tasks on certain GPU's..


Sorry what Orange_1050 Said.
Each Project as a settings page like the one Orange_1050 shows in his post.

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/10/31 08:04:11 (permalink)
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/10/31 10:32:09 (permalink)
That's what I thought, there really needs to be a way to do it though.. without global settings, Need some way to restrict on a machine basis. I.E. In GPUGrid I would like my 780 to get all long tasks, but my 760's to get all short..
 
And that damn High Priority Panic Mode Nonsense! :P

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/10/31 12:41:22 (permalink)
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That's what I thought, there really needs to be a way to do it though.. without global settings, Need some way to restrict on a machine basis. I.E. In GPUGrid I would like my 780 to get all long tasks, but my 760's to get all short..
 
And that damn High Priority Panic Mode Nonsense! :P


For the most part that is why I use  to manage my projects.
I do still set up deferent settings for most projects on each of the project web sites.

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/10/31 13:19:50 (permalink)
I use BAM too, but even when setting up different work preferences there's no way to nail down which sub-projects to which pc's. Say I wanna run prime grid on all my gpus, but each one does better with another. Like I don't want my 650ti doing world record genefer (at 30 days) when my 780 will do it in 3. But as posted b4 the 650ti is a killer at PPS Sieve chomping em up at 15-16 minutes. (760 will do one at 10:15 on the nose everytime, and the 780 only 9 minutes and some change) so definately not worth running on the 780, it just goes on and on.

If I'm not mistaken there is no way to do this. I used to be able to change the settings on the site, hit update on the machine, then do the same for the others and so on, but now the clients are auto updating themselves and just taking the newest settings constantly.  
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/10/31 13:39:14 (permalink)
ok so I got my feet wet crunching with the SkyNet POGS project (looks like the team made a statement!). I would like to contribute more, but I have limited CPU resources operating (key word here is operating, but I will address that in a second). However - this GPU project is a different story. I have two 780 SC cards folding that I can change over to help.  The skynet setup was easy. There is mention of xml so I made need some assistance getting that started (just put a little dunce hat next to my name).
 
I have a 4p I bought from clo007 and it arrived in pieces (no fault of clo007 - he packed it like a pro) anyway winvert got on the TS3 evga teamspeak and got it running but eventually a capacitor burned on the mobo. I bought a replacement mobo and have all of the parts to crank it up again.Several attempts failed so I may have damaged one of the cpus. I dunno.Anyone willing to help me get this running would be greatly appreciated/rewarded/cash prizes etc.. It would do well for future cpu crunching.
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 07:06:01 (permalink)
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If your running a older and/or slower GPU then I recommend you stick to short tasks. By older/slower I am referring to anything under a GTX 670 or a GTX 770.
 
For long runs you need to finish them within 24 hours to get a bonus point reward. So if you have a 670, 680, 690, 770, 780, 780 Ti, Titan, 970, or a 980 then go for the long runs. Other cards might be able to make the 24 hour dead line but I know the ones listed will do so.
 
I will be joining in with my 680 and 780 Ti. My CPU cores will be crunching away on SIMAP of course.


This weekend I'll test one on a 660ti, since it 's right on or just below your Mendoza line.


The 660 Ti is the one that is right on the line. It all depends on the specific 660 Ti. Some do better than others. If your lucky and got one that is a tad faster than most then you should be OK.


I've started the great 660ti experiment. I have 3 such cards and the one I believe to be my best card picked up a short-runs before I could change my settings. The other 2 are running great on long-runs. Looks to be 9-10 hours each after 15% complete. I'm not sure if I'm doing the correct wu though because the deadline is like 5 days not 1.
I'll keep you posted.


 

 
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 07:49:26 (permalink)
Let me know how the 660ti works Yodap, I have two of them I would like to put on long tasks..

   
             
  
      
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 08:55:50 (permalink)
I will test my GTX 660Ti today as well, it is installed on my 2P Rig.   FAILED
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 10:44:52 (permalink)
I'm happy to see you all prepare to this event.
Curious on how we will do.
Big names on the participant list.
 
Let's make it a 5 day Blitzkrieg
 
 


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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 10:49:08 (permalink)
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I'm happy to see you all prepare to this event.
Curious on how we will do.
Big names on the participant list.
Let's make it a 5 day Blitzkrieg


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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 11:07:39 (permalink)
OK so 2 660ti's are on track to finish right around 10 hrs. the 3rd is 10% done after an hour. Same rate. For fun I decided to load a Long runs up on a 650ti and that will be done after 14 hours. Looking forward to the contest and the points I'll see on GPUGRID after this weekend. This project loves to give you 2 tasks no matter what settings you have.


 

 
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 11:13:27 (permalink)
My GTX 660Ti today as well, it is installed on my 2P Rig Failed to run Outcome Computation error and Client state Compute error.
http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=13308999
http://www.gpugrid.net/workunit.php?wuid=10242255
 
name unfoldx337-NOELIA_UNFOLD-14-72-RND4878
application Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card)
created 1 Nov 2014 | 17:10:10 UTC
I blame this on Ubuntu 14.04 Desktop and not the GTX 660Ti. Over 25 failed today.
I never did get a single GPUGRID to work, I did forget that I have tested this before.
 
<core_client_version>7.2.42</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
process exited with code 199 (0xc7, -57)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
SWAN : FATAL : Cuda driver error 3 in file 'swanlibnv2.cpp' in line 446.
# SWAN swan_assert -57

</stderr_txt>
]]>
 
FYI  Collatz Conjecture and MilkyWay@home run fine on my 4P and 2P. 650Ti and 660Ti
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 12:39:12 (permalink)
The bonus deadline isn't reflected on the Boinc client. Its a GPU Grid in house calculation. If you complete a long run and get it turned in with in 24 hours of your downloading it you get the bonus points.
 
With a new GPU your estimated run time calculation is going to be off until you run a few WU's. I just put my 780 Ti back on GPU Grid and its telling me 12 hours. I know the 780 Ti can do the WU's in about half that.
 
One other tip, thing to know. If you suspend a WU for what ever reason be sure it gets finished on the same model of GPU as you started it with. If not, chances are it will error out. So if you are running a 680 and 780 Ti and you suspend a 780 Ti WU you need to finish it off with the 780 Ti. If the 680 tries to finish it your more than likely going to have a problem.



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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/01 23:59:09 (permalink)
So then, I noticed with the default config there is this cpu based task "Test app for CPU md blah blah". Exactly what are these and do they contribute to the contest?
  
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/02 08:55:27 (permalink)
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So then, I noticed with the default config there is this cpu based task "Test app for CPU md blah blah". Exactly what are these and do they contribute to the contest?


Can't say for sure but then that is part of the learning curve and it will take awhile to learn each BOINC Project.
Some contest the Project Web Site will tell you what you need to setup for contest but remember each Project and each Contest are not set the same.
 
Look at each task under each project to see which ones you want to run and run them.
I you are looking to build your Signature for BOINC users up then run each project to receive the Badge and then move on the next Task.
 
For like PRIMGRID I run each task to receive each Badge Level, like Sliver and Gold and so on.
 
If you are not into Badges the run Projects that mean something to you whether a cure for cancer or math.
 
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/03 18:08:56 (permalink)
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I use BAM too, but even when setting up different work preferences there's no way to nail down which sub-projects to which pc's. Say I wanna run prime grid on all my gpus, but each one does better with another. Like I don't want my 650ti doing world record genefer (at 30 days) when my 780 will do it in 3. But as posted b4 the 650ti is a killer at PPS Sieve chomping em up at 15-16 minutes. (760 will do one at 10:15 on the nose everytime, and the 780 only 9 minutes and some change) so definately not worth running on the 780, it just goes on and on.

If I'm not mistaken there is no way to do this. I used to be able to change the settings on the site, hit update on the machine, then do the same for the others and so on, but now the clients are auto updating themselves and just taking the newest settings constantly.  


Here is a snippit from one of my cc_config files. The system has a 650Ti and 3x 8400 GS video cards in it. So, since the 8400 GS is not capable of the dual precision work, I clearly don't want them running certain apps. However I do want them running others within the project. So, what I had to do is the following:
 
<cc_config>
<options>
<max_tasks_reported>25</max_tasks_reported>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
<report_results_immediately>1</report_results_immediately>
<http_1_0>1</http_1_0>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.gpugrid.net/</url>
<device_num>1</device_num>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.primegrid.com/</url>
<device_num>1</device_num>
<type>NVIDIA</type>
<app>genefer</app>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.primegrid.com/</url>
<device_num>1</device_num>
<type>NVIDIA</type>
<app>genefer_wr</app>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
<device_num>1</device_num>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.gpugrid.net/</url>
<device_num>2</device_num>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.primegrid.com/</url>
<device_num>2</device_num>
<type>NVIDIA</type>
<app>genefer</app>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.primegrid.com/</url>
<device_num>2</device_num>
<type>NVIDIA</type>
<app>genefer_wr</app>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
<device_num>2</device_num>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.gpugrid.net/</url>
<device_num>3</device_num>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.primegrid.com/</url>
<device_num>3</device_num>
<type>NVIDIA</type>
<app>genefer</app>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.primegrid.com/</url>
<device_num>3</device_num>
<type>NVIDIA</type>
<app>genefer_wr</app>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
<device_num>3</device_num>
</exclude_gpu>
</options>
</cc_config>
 
So to answer your question, yes  you can exclude running specific apps on specific cards. Notice the PrimeGrid exclusion where I tell the cards not to run the Genefer work units. I have both types in the file. And I had to exclude them from GPUGrid altogether because the 650Ti will pull work and then BOINC will try to run it on any available card. They will fail on the 8400 GS cards so, that is a bad thing.
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/03 21:04:53 (permalink)
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Here is a snippit from one of my cc_config files. The system has a 650Ti and 3x 8400 GS video cards in it. So, since the 8400 GS is not capable of the dual precision work, I clearly don't want them running certain apps. However I do want them running others within the project. So, what I had to do is the following:
 
So to answer your question, yes  you can exclude running specific apps on specific cards. Notice the PrimeGrid exclusion where I tell the cards not to run the Genefer work units. I have both types in the file. And I had to exclude them from GPUGrid altogether because the 650Ti will pull work and then BOINC will try to run it on any available card. They will fail on the 8400 GS cards so, that is a bad thing.




I was using exclude but never got it set up past a project level. That will help me out a great deal! Thank you!
 
And I have a 8400 GS in my media center running as the main card for video output only, no processing :) funny..

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 08:45:28 (permalink)
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So then, I noticed with the default config there is this cpu based task "Test app for CPU md blah blah". Exactly what are these and do they contribute to the contest?


Can't say for sure but then that is part of the learning curve and it will take awhile to learn each BOINC Project.




Im interested in how those CPU WU's will credit, especially now just before the Cruncathlon.
I'm most certain it will Count in the contest.
Didn't get any of those yet, but I'll keep an eye on it and report back.
 
 
 
 
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 09:10:48 (permalink)
You have to select to run test applications as the CPU work is still test. Any challenges hosted outside of the actual project will always incorporate all work completed because third parties really can't filter that data. I don't believe it is typically exported in that manner. So, to answer your question, it should count towards the competition and your teammates that are CPU heavy can help your team. Just keep in mind there is no guarantee of work availability. Also, if you are running one of the newest clients....
 
 
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_...id=57198#57198

Details can be found in the link above.

Windows and Mac have version 7.4.26 while Linux has 7.4.25

This one caught my eye:

client: If CUDA driver 6.5 or later is installed, prevent use of NVIDIA GPUs with Compute Capability < 2.0 and show explanation in Event Log and Notices.

client: let a MT job run even if it uses more than max # CPUs. Suppose the user fetches an 8-CPU job, then changes their prefs to use 6 CPUs. Let the job run anyway.

client: detect Windows 10

 
I will add that they have been testing CPU work for a while and have dabbled with Android work even longer. They really should change their name yet again...
 
Edit: You can see my 2P Opteron 6274 run times here: http://www.gpugrid.net/sh...tail.php?hostid=170277 The system is running stock speeds under windows 8.1 Pro.
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 10:42:48 (permalink)
After Testing this week this is what I will be running:
Short Run Tasks: 3 GTX 690
Long Run Tasks: 3 GTX 680 & 3 GTX 780
Day Runs only Short Run Tasks: 2 GTX Titans.

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 13:04:06 (permalink)
I have concluded the cpu tasks based on credit to be a waste of time.. I have run through 4 of the "Test application for CPU MD", using 8 cores for 1 process (i7-4820k @ 3.7-3.9Ghz) it took just over ten hours for 500,000 Gflops to process.. netting a less than measly 3k in points. Sticking with the GPU!

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 13:20:26 (permalink)
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I have concluded the cpu tasks based on credit to be a waste of time.. I have run through 4 of the "Test application for CPU MD", using 8 cores for 1 process (i7-4820k @ 3.7-3.9Ghz) it took just over ten hours for 500,000 Gflops to process.. netting a less than measly 3k in points. Sticking with the GPU!


Why would you say they aren't worth running? Do you have a more important project to run on your CPU's? Just curious is all. Also, keep in mind that CPU work isn't always the same science research as the GPU app. So, if your goal is to push the teams stance on this project, why wouldn't you squeeze the extra 3k here? Or do you justify it earning more points elsewhere. Again, just curious.

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 13:50:06 (permalink)
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Why would you say they aren't worth running? Do you have a more important project to run on your CPU's? Just curious is all. Also, keep in mind that CPU work isn't always the same science research as the GPU app. So, if your goal is to push the teams stance on this project, why wouldn't you squeeze the extra 3k here? Or do you justify it earning more points elsewhere. Again, just curious.




I do prefer running POGS (which does have a decent point yield on my cpu's, both amd and intel based), or if there is a random monthly challenge going on like I'm all in on simap despite it's dreadful points return 
 
But yes, I was just simply saying based on a points standpoint especially in comparison to what the GPU's can provide it seems completely one sided and the cpu can be put to better use on other projects. For example, my 760's can process an acemdlong at 9-10 hours and that's on average 150k points. And my 780 at half that time. 

I do get the point of: if you are interested in the project that it really doesn't matter though. 
 

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 14:21:37 (permalink)
Well...I figured you would say POGS...kinda a sore point for me. I feel they are wasting resources to begin with and dragging their feet terribly. I like the project for the most part, but they really need to move things along. To me, adding more work there is less smart than GPUGrid. 1.) Because they (POGS) should have a CPU optimized app long before now that is crazy better than the one they are using. 2.) They are also working on a GPU app that should have received a lot more attention by now as well. However, these go back to before April and just haven't gotten but a fraction of the attention that it should have by now. However, they may have me help test their original project they are porting to BOINC, so there is some kind of progress happening....
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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 15:40:46 (permalink)
I do agree with you there.. I'm hoping sourcefinder goes to gpu when it gets switched over finally.. but I doubt it.. wish they would hurry up all around!
 
But with POGS you could have one GPU do an entire galaxy! rather than 500-1,000 cpu tasks.. come on guys! 

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 15:43:25 (permalink)
SourceFinder will more than likely be CPU only. At least at first.

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 17:27:00 (permalink)
I am running One Test application on my 2P it took 30 Cores and will take 27 hours to complete.
First GPUGRID CPU Project I have ever ran.

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 20:33:55 (permalink)
27 hours? yikes! was it still just 3k credit 500,000 gflops project or was this some massive wu due to the large amount of cores?

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Re: CRUNCHATHLON GPUGRID [MONTHLY RUN - RACE III] 2014/11/04 22:59:17 (permalink)
Two of my Test Application for CPU are now delivered and validated.
Both took respectively 6,2 and 6,3 hours on a i7 4960X @4,2Ghz.
Credits returned was 2.247 and 2.198. Should be 357pr hour for each WU.
Note that this one WU uses all (12) cores.
For comparison, one POGS WU takes 2,4hrs, and return 212points, for each core.
Meaning a bit more than 1000 points pr hour pr 12 core cpu.
Because of the Crunchathlon and whether running long or short tasks, my numbers are like this. 
With my 780Ti:
One Longrun use 5,6hrs, and pay's 159.000 credits. This mean 28.200 pr hour.
One Shortrun use 2,8hrs and pay 18.300 credits. Meaning 6500 credits pr hour.
 
For the Crunchathlon, I'm doing longruns, but probably switch over to short ones the last hours. So I might throw in a couple of short ones the last minutes.
 
 
 


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