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2014/04/15 07:38:40 (permalink)
I recently picked up an upgrade CPU for one of my rigs and I want to do a bit of OCing on it. At issue is I need to pay for the cooling solution using some credit I have at Newegg. That sort of limits my options a bit. I really wanted to either go EK or Swiftech kit, but Newegg doesn't carry anything that exotic. So...that leaves me with the AIO liquid cooling solutions in stock at Newegg. Which one should I get and why? I'm trying to find the most capable option they have available with the limited options Newegg carries. It will be cooling an unlocked socket 1366 CPU I have on the way. The mobo is my E762. The case is a HAF-X. I figure I'll try and squeeze a bit more life out of it until the new DDR4 hardware is available in 2015.
 
Which should I pick and why?
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 07:54:31 (permalink)
    FWIW the Cooler Master Glacer 240L is a licensed Swiftech H220.
     
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 07:56:07 (permalink)
    Brad, I would go with one of the 240 base designs, they have more cooling capacity, especially if you want to clock, or push the proc rather hard this will help keep the temps down.  From there, Corsair and Coolermaster both make a good product from what I have seen they are both solid.  Now only go with the CM 280 if your mounting area is 2x 140mm fans rather than the standard 120mm base.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 07:56:25 (permalink)
    I would think the Corsair H60 would be plenty for the job or the refurbed H80i  on page 2....
     
    They have a decent warranty/ price to performance / and ease of use ( hook up )

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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 08:23:50 (permalink)
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    FWIW the Cooler Master Glacer 240L is a licensed Swiftech H220.
     
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16835103196


    Yep. Except for the fans it is identical to my H220.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 08:39:24 (permalink)
    Interesting on the Glacer being a re-branded Swiftech. I'll probably go that way then. Was previously looking at the Corsair H105, H100i and H110.
     
    So, I guess my next question is rad fans. Is the H220 rad designed for high static fans? What should I pick for fans and should I just do push or push-pull? And why? On a side note, I'm not overly bothered by fan noise. My current fans are push-pull Scythe Ultra Kaze on a Megahalems, which are noisy. I prefer fan capacity over sound levels.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 08:56:08 (permalink)
    I originally had my fans in a 'push' config drawing air from outside of the case. This was ideal at first because of the nice slide out dust filter on my case. Once the weather started to get warmer this turned out to be a very bad idea since the H220 was blowing all of the heat from the radiator directly onto my video boards. My primary 680 was reaching 78°C when gaming. Once I changed the fan's direction everything was great. According to that Linus Tech Tips, 'push' or 'pull' yields the same results. 'Push-pull' gives no improved cooling.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 10:19:57 (permalink)
                                                      The H110 will fit in your Haf-X, uptop just fine. Only had to drill new holes for mounting it. Here is a picture of it in the case. (picture is kind of dark)
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 11:21:18 (permalink)
    Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103184
     
    Why? It performed closest to the H220. http://youtu.be/DhkWrSmvrZk?t=15m
     
    Fans: http://koolance.com/fan-120x25mm-108cfm x4 for push/pull. You want the best performance this is where it's at. 
     
    Another good choice of fans with PWM control: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103069
     

     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 11:49:41 (permalink)
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    Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103184
     
    Why? It performed closest to the H220. http://youtu.be/DhkWrSmvrZk?t=15m
     
    Fans: http://koolance.com/fan-120x25mm-108cfm x4 for push/pull. You want the best performance this is where it's at. 
     
    Another good choice of fans with PWM control: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103069
     




    But isn't the Glacer 240L the H220 with different fans? I'd just need to swap fans to something else to improve the cooling? Looking at Corsair SP120 high static pressure version. Pondered Noctua NF-F12 but their price is ungodly.
     
    Glacer 240L, SP120 high performance high static pressure 2 fan pack and a tube of MX-4 puts right under $200. My upper limit is $240.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 11:56:46 (permalink)
    The biggest difference between the Eisberg and the Glacer is the Pump and the fans. The Eisberg pump outputs 400 L/hr vs the Glacer pump at 165 L/hr. The Glacer comes with better 86CFM High static Pressure (the blademaster 120 fans I linked with PWM control) fans vs 60 CFM low static pressure Fans for the Eisberg.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 12:35:09 (permalink)
    So of the two, is the Eisberg the more efficient loop if the fans were swapped? Looks like Eisberg and Glacer both can be upgraded with different tubing and maybe larger rad in the future?
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 12:42:43 (permalink)
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    So of the two, is the Eisberg the more efficient loop if the fans were swapped? Looks like Eisberg and Glacer both can be upgraded with different tubing and maybe larger rad in the future?


    Yes.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 12:49:00 (permalink)
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    So of the two, is the Eisberg the more efficient loop if the fans were swapped? Looks like Eisberg and Glacer both can be upgraded with different tubing and maybe larger rad in the future?


    The Glacer has a fill port on the radiator. I don't see anything on the Eisberg to add fluid when you expand the loop unless you also add a reservoir. The Glacer has larger tubing, same size as H220. I get really good cooling from my H220 and is why I would choose the Glacer. Ambient temps at 20-23C and 3DMark11 never gets hotter than 56C. Metro Last Light around 50C. BF3 or BF4 around 52C. Cools around 8-10 degrees better than H80i.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 13:17:35 (permalink)
    The fill port on the Eisberg is on the reservoir that is on top of the block/pump. The Eisburg also looks like it's sold just as the pump/block without rad as an option. I guess I'm pondering Eisberg vs Glacier now. Given I can use any fans I want which would be more efficient for OCing and why?
     
    I'm looking at the capability of customizing the tubing length to keep the loop clean looking and future rad upgrade as positives in whatever I go with.
     
    On a side note, what boggles my mind a bit with both Corsair and Cooler Master is they're competing with themselves. They've got way too much overlap in AIO's.
    post edited by Brad_Hawthorne - 2014/04/15 13:24:33
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 13:39:08 (permalink)
    My suggestion for fans on one of those would be Noctua NF-F12's (and they are PWM as well), high static pressure, VERY well made, and frankly half the noise of most fans of comparable performance.
    Those fans are very hard to compete with is you are looking at a 25mm thick, just a great combo of pressure and db level.  I know you don't mind volume, BUT, if you don't need it, why not have it quiet.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 16:11:07 (permalink)
    That is an outrageous price on those Noctua fans but many argue that they're the best. I only paid $18.99 each from NewEgg last November and I was griping about that price. They do work very well and even at full speed they are really quiet. Gawd! $32!!!
    I am having some second thoughts about the pump setup on the Eisberg. Although the tubing is smaller than the Glacer, the Eisburg looks like it has standard screw-in fittings enabling you to increase the hose size at a later date if desired. If the Glacer is indeed identical to my H220 then it has weird integral swivel fittings attached to the pump by a flange using two screws. I don't know for certain if you can change the flanges for a larger hose. What I like about the Glacer is the location of the fill plug. I can open the fill port without removing the rad from my case. I have no idea how you could even open the Eisberg fill port without all of the coolant running out. Tough decision. I'm glad I didn't have to make a choice between the two or I'd still be sitting here thinking about it.
     
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 16:21:55 (permalink)
    Sajin mentions 400 L/hr vs 165 L/hr Eisberg vs Glacier and you mentioned hose diameter also being a thing to think about. Eisberg is Alphacool while Glacier is Swiftech. Every article I've read about the Eisberg mentions pump noise. That's not too big of a deal to me. Things to ponder.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 16:43:35 (permalink)
    It's really a no brainer at this point. The Eisberg has the better pump, both can be expanded, putting better fans on the Eisberg is just going to make it more superior to the Glacier. Noise isn't a problem for ya so there ya go. 
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 16:48:54 (permalink)
    IDK anything about how the amount of flow would effect cooling performance. When I set up my H220 I took a page out of the Corsair H80i playbook. Rather than have the pump and fan speed controlled by CPU temp, I have my pump running at a fixed speed hooked to the sysfan1 header and my fans ramping up and down controlled by the cpufan header. So basically you could compare my setup to being just like a tower cooler like a Cooler Master V-8 except it's filled with water to transfer heat away from the CPU instead of air. Just like an air cooling tower, my fans increase in speed as the temps get higher removing more heat by moving more air through the rad.
    I use RealTemp to shut my PC down in case the pump ever fails and the temps climb too high.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/15 16:53:04 (permalink)
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    It's really a no brainer at this point. The Eisberg has the better pump, both can be expanded, putting better fans on the Eisberg is just going to make it more superior to the Glacier. Noise isn't a problem for ya so there ya go. 


    Yeah, the Eisberg has standard fittings and makes it a better pump for expansion purposes. I still don't know how the flowrate effects cooling ability.
    http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18955/ex-wat-246/Cooler_Master_Eisberg_Solo_Prestige_Water_Block_w_Intergrated_Pump_RL-EBSL-FLNN-R1.html
     
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/16 04:02:23 (permalink)
    I'll go Eisberg because of the better connector options on the head.
     
    Corsair SP120 is 3.1mm/H2O, while Noctua NF-F12 is 2.6mm/H2O. Corsair is 35 dBA, while Noctua is 22.4 dBA. Corsair will cost me $34, while Noctia will cost me $64.
     
    Running the numbers, the Corsair preforms better, but is louder and more cost effective. For now I think I'll go with SP120. If I don't like the dBA of the Corsair I can swap to Noctua next month.
     
    So, I'm going Eisberg, SP120 and MX-4 for the purchase. Total Newegg cost $234.
     
    Thanks everyone for helping me dig through the specs and stats. I really think Corsair and Cooler Master need to pair down a bit on their offerings. I don't know how they can be profitable on the AIOs when they compete against themselves.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/16 04:14:10 (permalink)
    I think the Eisberg is a good choice. It looks like you'll have to turn the fans around to blow the hot air out of the case instead of directly onto your video boards. This can be a PITA trying to hold the fans in place while trying to get a screw started during installation. It is almost impossible to find the hole in the radiator. The solution I used was to start all of the fan mounting screws just a few threads leaving 1/8" of movement between the screw head and the radiator. Then I pulled the fan away from the radiator and used a 'Hot Glue Gun' to apply a small amount of Hot Glue to one edge and pressed the fan into place on the rad. After that the fans were exactly where they were supposed to be and I had no problems finishing the install. Hope this helps to make things easier for you.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/16 06:06:04 (permalink)
    Future pondering. The Eisberg 240L uses the Alphacool ST30 240mm dual rad. Is there merit in going ST30 360mm, XT45 360mm or UT60 360mm next month when I have a bit of extra cash? Thoughts on top mounted in a HAF-X? Any advantages to going that route?
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/16 06:28:21 (permalink)
    If you are planning on clocking it the extra cooling capacity would be good, if this is running at stock and going to stay that way, I don't know if I would bother, unless you are planning on moving this over to your next platform that you plan on clocking.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/16 09:27:31 (permalink)
    The unlocked Xeon I got for cheap and figure I'll abuse it a bit under water. Here is the info the seller gave me on the chip.

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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/16 11:21:32 (permalink)
    OK, in this case, a bigger radiator might be a very good idea.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/17 07:51:52 (permalink)
    Just for fun I did a bit of measurement. Looks like the Alphacool 420 rads would work in the HAF-X with a little dremel work.
     
    The red area is out of bounds determined by the bay, the back case fan and the front panel wiring and board clearance. The yellow area I need to remove with a dremel.
     
     
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/18 07:32:57 (permalink)
    Think I'll throw in a Alphacool 360 Monsta next month. No sense in screwing with case mods to do the 420 rad. The Mosta is overkill anyways.
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    Re: AIO Liquid Cooling 2014/04/18 18:16:00 (permalink)
    Well, the Eisberg 240L is all installed after a much needed full tare down of my rig, major cleaning and rebuild. Looks like all is well.
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