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2010/11/09 11:51:24 (permalink)
Hi all
 
Do you all remember the first GTX 480 Engineering Sample shots that had Leds to light up their side GeForce Logo's?
this is the effect you'd get:

 
Here the GTX 580 PCB naked, left from C171 just under the 6pin peg connector are two holes, where you'd normally would place the leds:

 
Well since that the GTX 580 FTW Hydro Edition has leds to light up them EVGA logo's, I got to this theory:
 
This is a GTX 480 Engineering Sample with the Heatsink Removed:

 
As you can see , it has a white 2 pin connector, Retail cards did not hjave this connector, but like the GTX 580 PCB shows a retail GTX 480 does have two holes in the PCB with traces , making it modable to let Leds to be added on that location, here a retail GTX 480 PCB, showing them two holes on that same location as the GTX 580 Reference PCB:

 
If some don't know what connector I mean , here a pic of it circled in red:

As for the Transluent GeForce Logo's here is a closeup from a GTX 580 Engineering Sample, yu can clearly see that the geForce logo is transluent :)


So that being, the GTX 580 PCB's seem to have the same type of holes which could be modded to give the cards leds to light up the GeForce Logo's like them GTX 480 Engneering Samples did, which used the GF100-350-A2 GPU and older.
If any GTX 580 FTW  Hydro Edition holder would be willing to show the card's naked PCB, could you make a high res shot of teh top side of the PCB?
 
That would be of great help to my research of this interesting feature that was left out.
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/09 11:55:51 (permalink)
MSI has modified PCB's with led's on there 460's
so not impossible
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-460-hawk-review/5

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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/09 12:00:27 (permalink)
hmm interesting, why leave out such a cool idea in the first place, okay i did hear an ongong runor that NVIDIA had troubles with the company that was going to provide the leds, also odd why that could happen, if that were the case, why are there Engineering Samples that do have them in the first place, it kinda baffles my mind, to obtain one of those Engineering Samples that would be my best bet, but then again how to obtain them and from where, I guess I'd need to ask EVGA internally heh.
 
I have had numerous Engineering Samples from 3dfx mainly a few from NVIDIA and ATi also there are ways of doing but, the main thing is how to get to the right people, that is hard.
 
So what I did is buy a GTX 480 from the first batch , a NVIDIA OEM card, see what this will show up with.


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/09 13:40:04 (permalink)
it's quite common in industry to see samples, prototypes, etc. not to be watered down with all the bells and whistles vs the real deal
it really has no function but just because the reference does not have it doesn't mean third parties cannot come up with a solution
i read somewhere early 480 batches had translucent "GeForce" logo's to allow light out
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/09 14:18:23 (permalink)
The Hydro Copper card LED plugs directly into the fan header.


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/09 23:44:29 (permalink)
hmm that's interesting, Could you show me a PCB shot of the Hydro Copper card?
 
Then I wonder what them two holes were made for which sit next to C171, personally I think it's similar to that of the GTX 480 Engineering Sample cards, but it was either left optional, or that the GTX 480 PCB was re-used and gotten some fewer upgrades, which I doubt most likely, but anything is possible in this world these days.
 
Anyways If I find anything new on this subject, I'll let you guys know.


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/10 00:12:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Yes, that can work for an LED too. The PCB of the Hydro Copper card is identical to the reference design.


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/10 09:05:26 (permalink)
I really wished the 480's got the LED's and the transparent place for their geforce logos=/

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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/10 12:14:33 (permalink)
Hmm interesting, I also wonder could a GTX 480 Engineering Sample with 512Cuda Cores beable to run in SLI with a reference GTX 480 with 480 Cuda Cores or a GTX 580 with the same amount of Cuda Cores as being 512 as well, same amount of TMU's which is 64 and amount of ROPS for both which is 48, same amount of ram and bus 1536MB 384Bit GDDR5, hmm this would be interesting to find out, anyways I'd be willing to do this sometime in the future :)


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/10 13:04:22 (permalink)
I'm guessing the driver may let it pass but you'd get some possible race conditions or stuttering where one card having more cores than the other might throw things off.  I'd probably send an email asking them rather than potentially bust two 480's but that's just me ;)
 
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/10 15:35:28 (permalink)
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I'm guessing the driver may let it pass but you'd get some possible race conditions or stuttering where one card having more cores than the other might throw things off.  I'd probably send an email asking them rather than potentially bust two 480's but that's just me ;)

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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/24 01:30:04 (permalink)
Well after looking at my GTX 480 in depth I did find out a few things, the PCB is from the first batch which is a good thing.
 
Even that the GeForce Logo is very good looking, not transluent like the Engineering Samples have, but yeah none the less it really looks nice.
 
Behind the 6pin PEG there are two quite large solder points just right from 0503 & 0504
Gold Leader - In Flight: that used to be the place where this white connector was placed:  which I circled in red


And that is where the leds were mounted on to, which you can clearly see on this GTX 480 Engineering shot photo, I circled the connector in red, as being this is of course the other side of the PCB, but, to be honest it's exactly the same spot :)


So it seemed the PCB was not changed, as where only the white connector was left aside, as where the PCB is ready for sucha  connector to be remounted if needed to be, only the shroud's GeForce logo isn't transluent so this kinda put my Geforce Led Mod to a hault, I am going to rethink this idea though, since nothing is impossible
 
Anyways here is what I seek to help me out here, is for a very experienced case modder to cut out the GeForce logo and replace it with acrylic glass, thus I seek someon that has experienced in handling with Acrylic Glass, I guess it's still a hard thing to attempt, it is doable though, but I just dunno how atm.
 
Can anyone from EVGA please post pics of this transluent logo, there by showing how it was done from the inside of the shroud and also how the leds were placed?
 
It's that I am quite sure that all NVIDIA subvendors received GTX 480 Engineering Samples with these leds , although to obtain one of these GTX 480 Engineering Samples with functional leds would be even my greater passion , but either way would be very helpful
post edited by Gold Leader - 2010/11/24 01:52:18


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/24 01:51:11 (permalink)
Those would sell like hot cakes if you could mod shrouds.

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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/24 01:52:41 (permalink)
Well it's for research for the moment, I don't plan on taking drastic moves like that yet, all I'd like to know is how it was done, I do have some people in Austria that are willing to do this, although I need more information on how these transluent GeForce logo's were placed and cut out, we do have some ways of doing, one thing is for sure this won't be easy to do.
 
The shroud is incredible consumed of hard plastic material, very complicated to work with.
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/24 01:58:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Yeah, it wouldn't be to hard to do it, the hard part is making it look good. You almost need a cnc machine to do the cutting.

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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2010/11/24 02:01:37 (permalink)
yeah for example which I totally have no experience with it's just the idea that struck my mind it is doable but it's very complicated my Austrian mate told me, his friend has some acrylic expeerience with numerous case mods, but to do such a complicated small logomakes it a tad harder, just to cut out them letters them selves, like the R in geForce and the G it's self these will be very hard to do, unless there is another way to do this, so to have alook at an engineering sample by how NVIDIA did this transluent logo can help alot.
 
Well here's the good news from that Acrylic modeler from Austria
 
He just wrote, that even a perfect replacement of the letters and logo is possible. But takes time. Many hours. But it is possible, anyways it's good for the head's up so far, I will donate my Zotac GTX 480 for this job, in December I will buy a GTX 480 SC+ for use hehe, I envy GTX 480's alot even over the 580's, it's the original Fermi where it all began ya know
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/03/24 17:18:01 (permalink)
Well I got it all summed up now people, the entire GeForce Led logo thing and also why that the GTX 590 has the same logo as the GTX 480 and not as the GTX 580
 
So here the nice discoveries I came accross:

Remember that the GTX 480 Engineering Samples had them GeForce Led Logo's?


The thing is , is that NVIDIA had issues with the company that was going to produce the leds for these translucent GeForce logo's, thing is NVIDIA has all them logo's lay'n around, so this also explains why the GTX 590 has the same logo as a GTX 480 and not of a GTX 580.

The Leds are lit up by J8, which can be seen here as I have circled in red:


That same J8 can be seen on this GTX 480 ES PCB:


And here a GTX 580 PCB with J8 unattached ,as you can clearly see the two solder points for J8 to be connected to, J8 is located just under the 6 Pins power connector


So that being said, it all kinda fits in the puzzle, as the logo's go? well see for your self, :

GTX 480 Engineering Sample Translucent GeForce Led Logo:


GTX 480 Production Sample GeForce Logo:


GTX 580 Engineering Sample Translucent GeForce Led Logo:


GTX 580 Production Sample GeForce Logo:


GTX 590 Engineering Sample Translucent GeForce Led Logo:


GTX 590 Production Sample Translucent GeForce Led Logo:


And indeed The leds have been placed this time and they seem to have a function as well:
"...also sports a lighted GeForce logo by the power connectors. We should also point out that the lighted GeForce logo isn’t just for looks. If there are any power-related problems, the logo will blink to let users know their cards aren’t getting enough juice."


Source:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/NVIDIA-Ge…One-PCB/?page=2

it all makes sense now, from the GeForce GTX 480 ES /580 ES GeForce Logo Led theory, that lead to the Logo + Led choice for the GTX 590, hereby NV used all the backhand translucent GeForce Led Logo's for the GTX 590's just my theory, but not an impossible one either
 
Once I get my hands on an EVGA GTX 590 CE, I will definitely take a look under the hood and see how these leds were connected to J8, still some savings to do before I can really occupy one
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/03/24 18:33:58 (permalink)
Have you checked to see if there's voltage where the connectors would be?
 
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/03/24 19:00:46 (permalink)
Well the traces are there on the GTX 480 and 580 PCB's so they can be applied if needed to be, all I need is a GTX 590 taken appart and see how NV applied them leds to J8 hehe.
 
Here a high res shot of my GTX 480 and GTX 580 SCE's rear PCB's, I circled the rear sides of J8 on both cards and as I could see they are traced.
 
Click to enlarge:

 
I never removed my coolers of my GTX 480's but after looking around on the net this photo made it clear enough that they are traced indeed:
 
GTX 480:

 
GTX 580:

 
So yeah, the PCB's were ready, NVIDIA had the Translucent Logo's also, but the company that should of provided them leds never worked out, shame really, it would of been nice if all flagship Fermi's had these leds and not just the GTX 590 stand alone, ah well somethings just don't happen let's hope that the Kepler series will get these leds too, would make the GeForce cards look nicer on the outside as well and as for the function to show if your PSU is big enough to take them on, yeah I call that a good way of making this idea a useful one also
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/08/25 07:34:47 (permalink)
Makes me wonder if the GeForce Kepler GTX 700 series will get these leds as well The do tend to give the product a better and cooler look
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/08/25 07:51:30 (permalink)
lol i want all of my pc components have LED logos so that it will shine during night time 


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/08/25 08:15:22 (permalink)
well as the article reads, the GTX 480 like 580 were originally going to be shipped with leds for their Geforce logo's so the product would stand out, the GTX 590 however did get these leds, but their logo's do look more like to that of the GTX 480 and not the 580.
 
Might explain why NV went for these logo's since they may have had quite a bunch of them translucent logos laying around from their 480's.
 
The 590 leds are somewhat too dim, I would of gone for this brightness:

 
So that they stand out


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/08/26 08:29:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
simple solution..
 
instead of looking for a spot on the pcb why not just use a pin tool and replace the leads on a ground line and a 5v lead on the pcie power leads. when you put in the new pins just add the led line using very thin wire and add a two wire fan connector to the other end.  now run the LED lead it to where you want it to be and hot glue them in place then connect the lead.  now its just a matter of getting the logo cut out and you're done.
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/08/26 14:56:54 (permalink)
future cards should have this feature
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2011/09/08 13:52:10 (permalink)
@ Porpoise Hork
Yeah easily said and well said, my hands are too shakey for that type of work heh, due to all the medication I am on , but yeah that can be a way.
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2013/05/31 05:21:21 (permalink)
Here the card my friend Loschwerg has from Voodooalert.de:




 
He was able to get it up and running after he fixed the led logo!

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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2013/05/31 07:51:25 (permalink)
It wasn't easy to get the logo illuminated the right way, took me about three hours to figure out the correct position. I'm using three cold white LEDs.
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2013/05/31 08:33:13 (permalink)
Löschzwerg

It wasn't easy to get the logo illuminated the right way, took me about three hours to figure out the correct position. I'm using three cold white LEDs.

hah you made it to EVGA too rofl, awesums to see you here bud


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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2013/09/19 08:52:11 (permalink)
Got some great news everyone!!!!
 
Last night I was looking on ebay for a GTX 480 from NVIDIA , an original one, then I stumbled upon this awesome looking NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Engineering Sample!!!!!! 
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/231054122427?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

 
Here the green glass part being protected, looks new xD well not used

 
And it looks a lot like the one Loschwerg has, a Rev.A2 or maybe a Rev.A3 due to it's Black PCB, that with with GeForce Led Logo's and with 480 Fermi CUDA Cores or maybe even 512 Fermi CUDA Cores.. I really hope for 512, since that is a card we both have not seen or tested before xDDD
 
When it arrives I will test it first, it may need some Development Alpha or Beta drivers for it to function properly, so if anyone can help me with that , I'd really appreciate that
After testing I will do a high detailed GTX 480 Engineering & Production Sample break up topic, hereby revealing the true differences of the Engineering Sample & Production GeForce GTX 480, hereby I can close the game between the two and what NVIDIA changed to get the Production samples for what they have become
 
Also it will act as a guide for those that still have GTX 480 Engineering Samples & Production Samples on how to clean them correctly, this will be interesting and useful on all sides, I also hope to see where eactly NVIDIA has placed them led Logo's and show you how they are connected to the GeForce Logo, and I am thinking that this GeForce Led Logo is the exact same design and size as the ones used on the GTX 590's.
 
To claim this I will measure it and ask the GTX 590 users to measure theirs and if the sizes add up, then this mystery has also been solved.hereby I hope to keep this thread up to date!
 
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Re:Leds on GTX 580 cards, reminds me of the following.. 2013/10/03 13:43:40 (permalink)
So here it is!
 
Top view:

 
Rear view, PCB date shows 5009, meaning it's from Week 50, Year 2009! PCB was made in Hong Kong, but the Assembly was made in USA:

 
Headshot:

 
Top Angled view:

Top Side View; note the translucent GeForce Led Logo and the green translucent plexiglass part, kinda resembles a GTX 470 cooler or that of a GTX 580 heh.

 
Shroud removed and here is what is under the hood As you can see it still has five copper heatpipes, but the construction of the heatsink is also very different.

 
The Led Logo connector, that white two pinned connector is set to J8 as being the Led Logo Power Connector, only the Leds are missing, but I have a friend that can help me with that part

 
This is how the GeForce Led Logo is mounted or placed:

It is actually a piece of translucent plexiglass, where they coloured the NVIDIA logo Lime Green, so when a led light puts light on it, it glows up really well, as Plexiglass can spread light particles very well.
 
Here a closeup of the GeForce Led Logo, on how it's placed:

 
Here the difference between the EVGA GTX 480 Production Model and the NVIDIA GTX 480 Engineering Sample, a major difference for sure!

 
Here the rear view:

 
Here a more detailed rear view, bit of a weird photo, since I used an old pic of the EVGA GTX 480, just to compare with the GTX 480 ES:

 
Headshot of the two:

 
Sides compared, again a major difference:

The fan frame of the GTX 480 ES has an anthracite colour, over a black one xD
 
GeForce Logo's compared:

The GeForce Led Logo looks waaay cooler imo, kind of a shame this was never added, even that the GTX 590's have these same Led Logo's it seems.
 
Last but not least, the Bios post, showing that it's a GF100 Engineering Release

 
The card isn't stable in Win 7 the screen scrambles up, I think it needs a very special driver & OS layout to function to it's rights, my friend in Germany also has a GTX 480 ES and he will try to help me get more out of this card. Forceware 327.23 WHQL didn't even detect it as a GTX 480 xDDD Just as a standard VGA adapter, GPU-Z also could not detect my card, so I think this is either a late Rev.A1 or an early rev.A2 and possibly this Card has 512 Fermi CUDA Cores enabled, from what I can recall is that Chris "ChrisRay" Arthington told me that the GTX 480 Engineering Samples or say Prototypes are very unstable and seem to crash or run very awkwardly, and that special drivers are needed for them to function is some type of order.
 
If any of the EVGA or NVIDIA Engineers or Tech support have idea's to get this card running please every idea is greatly welcome!


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