candle_86

kaninja

transdogmifier

yes, except it is.

I have the money, but I can't get the care because "durrr..socialized medicine....have to go thru government"...
"Oh, wait, that'll cost too much..nope we're not paying...Don't care if you want to fight to live....here's your end of life
counseling..oh, and btw, we have to cut it because "socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money"."

but you keep on believing the garbage they fed you...

What you describe isn't socialized medicine....sounds like a mess.

Here the only part the government plays is distributing the cash to the provinces based on need / population.

The Government has zero say in what care you do or do not get.

A lot of our doctors aren't multi-millionaires but they do EXTREMELY well. Interestingly, because WE pay for them, we can look on-line and see what they make each year. Our family doctor made $385k last year.....not bad for a 58 year old guy that works 3 days a week on average.

I should not that the price for Epipen has remained constant in Canada for 6 years now, and the increase the United States has seen will not be seen here. Currently the cost is 1/3 of what it is in the U.S. We have something called the Patented Medicine Price Review Board which strictly regulates what pharmaceutical companies can charge for their drugs here.....no gouging allowed.

I do see a lot of propaganda about socialized medicine on American TV though which is often quite funny and full of ridiculous lies.

candle_86
Also as a tax payer maybe I don't want to pay for the meth addict down the block that goes to the hospital ever few days, I'd be fine with it if the screened out anyone with drug problems, or those that refuse to work but are able to work. I don't want to pay for lazy people or addicted people.

Absolutely. Our ER staffing here is actually trained to screen out "drug seekers". This starts at triage.....and our seasoned Nurses run a pretty tight ship. Also we do not hand out heavy drugs like Oxycodone very easily here. Someone walking off the street asking for "something for the pain" get screened out right quick.

 
not just the pain, if they overdose I won't want my tax dollars to pay to save their life, I'll support universial health care once I know things like that wont be covered at tax payer expense.
 
Able to work at some type of job but not willing to - no medical care (must show proof of job seeking or have a disablility waiver from the social security people to get medical care)
No life saving done at tax payer expense because you did something stupid like overdose on drugs, or decided to do 150mph in a 40mph zone
 
pretty much prevent tax payers from paying for lazy or stupid people and we got a deal.

That would never work. You include everyone or none. The reason being is that the management of such an exclusionary system would cost the taxpayers more for less service.

They did a pilot program for welfare here. Drug testing was mandatory for the program. What they found was that for the amount of positive drug tests they found (which was a lot lower for welfare people than many would assume), was that the cost of managing the testing would cost taxpayers more than just paying the welfare cheques regardless.

Universal healthcare is Universal period. Rich or poor, the best of us and the worst.

The opposite is the vile maxim.....all for ourselves and nothing for anyone else.

You can judge a societies greatness in how they treat the least among them.

kaninja

candle_86

kaninja

transdogmifier

yes, except it is.

I have the money, but I can't get the care because "durrr..socialized medicine....have to go thru government"...
"Oh, wait, that'll cost too much..nope we're not paying...Don't care if you want to fight to live....here's your end of life
counseling..oh, and btw, we have to cut it because "socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money"."

but you keep on believing the garbage they fed you...

What you describe isn't socialized medicine....sounds like a mess.

Here the only part the government plays is distributing the cash to the provinces based on need / population.

The Government has zero say in what care you do or do not get.

A lot of our doctors aren't multi-millionaires but they do EXTREMELY well. Interestingly, because WE pay for them, we can look on-line and see what they make each year. Our family doctor made $385k last year.....not bad for a 58 year old guy that works 3 days a week on average.

I should not that the price for Epipen has remained constant in Canada for 6 years now, and the increase the United States has seen will not be seen here. Currently the cost is 1/3 of what it is in the U.S. We have something called the Patented Medicine Price Review Board which strictly regulates what pharmaceutical companies can charge for their drugs here.....no gouging allowed.

I do see a lot of propaganda about socialized medicine on American TV though which is often quite funny and full of ridiculous lies.

candle_86
Also as a tax payer maybe I don't want to pay for the meth addict down the block that goes to the hospital ever few days, I'd be fine with it if the screened out anyone with drug problems, or those that refuse to work but are able to work. I don't want to pay for lazy people or addicted people.

Absolutely. Our ER staffing here is actually trained to screen out "drug seekers". This starts at triage.....and our seasoned Nurses run a pretty tight ship. Also we do not hand out heavy drugs like Oxycodone very easily here. Someone walking off the street asking for "something for the pain" get screened out right quick.

 
not just the pain, if they overdose I won't want my tax dollars to pay to save their life, I'll support universial health care once I know things like that wont be covered at tax payer expense.
 
Able to work at some type of job but not willing to - no medical care (must show proof of job seeking or have a disablility waiver from the social security people to get medical care)
No life saving done at tax payer expense because you did something stupid like overdose on drugs, or decided to do 150mph in a 40mph zone
 
pretty much prevent tax payers from paying for lazy or stupid people and we got a deal.

That would never work. You include everyone or none. The reason being is that the management of such an exclusionary system would cost the taxpayers more for less service.

They did a pilot program for welfare here. Drug testing was mandatory for the program. What they found was that for the amount of positive drug tests they found (which was a lot lower for welfare people than many would assume), was that the cost of managing the testing would cost taxpayers more than just paying the welfare cheques regardless.

Universal healthcare is Universal period. Rich or poor, the best of us and the worst.

The opposite is the vile maxim.....all for ourselves and nothing for anyone else.

You can judge a societies greatness in how they treat the least among them.

then we don't need it, I'm perfectly happy with how things were, and saw no reason to change it at all.

Just take the Insurance companies and their profits OUT of the Loop, would probably save 30 - 40 %

bill1024

Cool GTX
Just take the Insurance companies and their profits OUT of the Loop, would probably save 30 - 40 %

From what I hear they are losing millions of dollars and are dropping out of the ACA market. They are not making millions.
 
This should not be a problem today any way. We all have Obamacare and life is good. Healthcare is now cheap for everyone.

 
Insurance Company have :
Marble Palaces
Pay egregious amounts to senior staff
pay egregious bonuses
stock options for senior staff & board members
Pay dividends
 
They force Pharmacies to pay $15,000/Yr - per Retail location - to be on the approved vendor list for their customers/clients- (the patient) to be able to buy drugs at those locations.
 
Kind of sounds like racketeering to me