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2013/06/12 06:13:34 (permalink)
I think EVGA needs to add a new rule for posting NEWS articles. OCN and other big communities have rules about post NEWS articles.  They don't allow members/moderators or staff to post just links to articles.
 
*EXAMPLE*
Snippet (a paragraph, not the whole article)
Source link
*Optional*
Post what you think about the article or talk about what you found interesting etc.
(you know take part in the discussion if you want to make a topic about it)
 
That can't be too much to ask EVGA to do.
 
 
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 06:28:40 (permalink)
    I agree.
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 07:48:23 (permalink)

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 09:26:22 (permalink)
    TOS needs to be rewritten altogether and in brief. And each forum section needing its own rules, a brief set of rules in a sticky.

    Id like to less personal attacks and kids understanding the difference in an opinion vs taking things too personal. A set of rules would stop this, ans with mods not babying this kids.

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 09:37:33 (permalink)
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    TOS needs to be rewritten altogether and in brief. And each forum section needing its own rules, a brief set of rules in a sticky.
     
     
    Perhaps it can also have pictures for those that can't read.

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 09:47:08 (permalink)
    knightsilver

    TOS needs to be rewritten altogether and in brief. And each forum section needing its own rules, a brief set of rules in a sticky.

    Id like to see less personal attacks and kids understanding the difference in an opinion vs taking things too personal. A set of rules would stop this, and with mods not babying this kids.

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 11:15:09 (permalink)
    MSim 

    I think EVGA needs to add a new rule for posting NEWS articles. OCN and other big communities have rules about post NEWS articles.  They don't allow members/moderators or staff to post just links to articles. 

    *EXAMPLE* 
    Snippet (a paragraph, not the whole article) 
    Source link 
    *Optional* 
    Post what you think about the article or talk about what you found interesting etc. 
    (you know take part in the discussion if you want to make a topic about it) 

    That can't be too much to ask EVGA to do. 
     
    That's perfectly fine with how to open a post.  What people have done in the past is paste the entire article and a link, or just the entire article.  In contrast, I would rather people just post a link and maybe a comment or two about the article.  
     
    Other than the fact that other communities have rules for posting news articles, what particular complaint(s) do you have about they way members post news threads here?  I'd just like to understand why you feel this needs to be addressed.
     
     
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    TOS needs to be rewritten altogether and in brief. And each forum section needing its own rules, a brief set of rules in a sticky. 
    [....]
     
    Tried that before with the older forums.  Members generally skirted around the TOS with the gray areas in the descriptions.  We try not to enforce the TOS too literally, but there needs to be something on paper so members can know what to expect.  The only places that really need a different section of rules is the Marketplace, and we've been considering one for the gaming section, given a slightly different atmosphere in that section.  I'm open to suggestions if you feel other sections of the forums deserve more or less special attention 
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    Perhaps it can also have pictures for those that can't read.

    Now that's a good idea.  I'm thinking pony memes....

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 12:16:55 (permalink)
    the other problem is if you post a snippet - you come under infringement for posting someone else news
     
    so too much you get dinged - some sites don't allow snippets at all
     
    I used to provide large snippets - till I got dinged and told to post just links ( I do post on more than 1 site so..Im not necessarily referring to this site)
     
    so from now on I either provide a very short snippet or just a link (because in those cases posting a snippet would be primarily the whole story and covered under infringement)
     
     
    that leaves just the links - which under law is legal to provide links
     
    I don't mind the links alone provided there is a Heading/headline
     
    as for feedback/behavior in the posts...ie flaming/trolling that is a MOD issue and if people get a little out of hand then the mods should step in (you can also notify them about a post)
     


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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 12:25:58 (permalink)
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    They don't allow members/moderators or staff to post just links to articles.

    Why not?  What difference does it make whether a person posts just the link or a paragraph from the article?  What is your rationale for creating the rule?  What if the member has nothing to say about the article, but is just posting it for general knowledge? 
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 12:37:44 (permalink)
    If a person only posts a link, I tend to skip to another thread without reading the article and without replying.  However, if another person posts a link, explains a bit about it or what they liked about it, then I'm more than likely going to visit the link.  It doesn't hurt to post a short highlight snippet from the article as well to further the reader's interest.  I've done that a few times.

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 12:46:13 (permalink)
    Pictures work, I vote for Renaissance pics!
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 12:47:22 (permalink)
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    If a person only posts a link, I tend to skip to another thread without reading the article and without replying.  However, if another person posts a link, explains a bit about it or what they liked about it, then I'm more than likely going to visit the link.  It doesn't hurt to post a short highlight snippet from the article as well to further the reader's interest.  I've done that a few times.

    Normally, if a person posts a link, the subject to that link is in the subject line of the thread.  If a person wants to skip reading the thread because the subject line wasn't enough to catch their attention, then so be it.  I don't feel that a rule needs to be created that forces the member to post some of the article.  Besides that, I have seen and read some threads where the member posted the entire article, which in some cases was a very long article.  Creating a rule where a member has to post "a few paragraphs" can be interpreted very subjectively as far as the amount of the article he/she decides to post....in other words, I feel that it is fine that way that it is.  If you want to post some of the article...fine....if only the link...fine too.
    post edited by VistaHead - 2013/06/12 12:49:42
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 12:53:08 (permalink)
    My point is posting just a link means it's not personalized.  It's like giving someone a card and not writing anything in it, not even a name.  Personalizing the OP is not much to ask.

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 12:56:23 (permalink)
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    Pictures work, I vote for Renaissance pics!

    They didn't have cameras back then. I suppose it would require wood etchings.
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:01:27 (permalink)
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    My point is posting just a link means it's not personalized.  It's like giving someone a card and not writing anything in it, not even a name.  Personalizing the OP is not much to ask.

    Asking to personalize it is one thing...creating a rule to force a person to do it is another...it should remain the poster's discretion.
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:07:01 (permalink)
    MSim suggested making it a rule.  I think personalizing the link should be promoted if anything.  In any case, if nothing is done, that's ok too; it's not that big a deal to me - it was rather just a suggestion/opinion.
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:08:15 (permalink)
    I disagree...  The last thing we need is more rules...  Why do we looooove rules sooo much?  Nevermind...  This is America....

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:11:06 (permalink)
    I see nothing wrong with adding a rule against link dumping. Problem is the prime offenders are the enforcers around here. That is why you'll get resistance on this. My main issue with it is if you have something to contribute to the forum via a thread post, it should at least have content in it. This is just another variation of picture dumping a bear we all used to know did habitually.
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:30:15 (permalink)
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    I see nothing wrong with adding a rule against link dumping. Problem is the prime offenders are the enforcers around here. That is why you'll get resistance on this. My main issue with it is if you have something to contribute to the forum via a thread post, it should at least have content in it. This is just another variation of picture dumping a bear we all used to know did habitually.

    I disagree, as it is not link dumping (in most cases)...there is a story and content attached to the link...now whether or not the story is worth reading is another matter.  It is not comparable to posting only a picture.
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:31:08 (permalink)
    I would like to see something more then just link dumping. it would be nice to know more about the link subject then just the url title. at least put what made the link worth posting in the 1st place.


     
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:33:23 (permalink)
    This is a forum for discussing computer related topics, not a computer news website. If I want to catch up on the latest tech news, there are tons of websites dedicated to doing just that. What I want to see is someone post a link to an article and start a conversation about it by stating their opinion\etc. Merely posting a link doesn't start a discussion, which is supposed to be the purpose of starting a thread. What bothers me about this practice is that it's more of a clutter than it is a valuable contribution to the forum .
     
    People typically follow this format when posting general news link in the General Discussion forum, and it works a lot better than merely posting a link as far as getting replies and generating interest. 

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:38:10 (permalink)
    The purpose of news is for reading. In addition there are lots of problems with posting snippets or the whole article. A few years back a copyrighted article was posted on the EVGA forums and it wasn't even the entire article. The owner of the copyrighted article contacted EVGA and asked for its removal.
     
    Normally if I post a news link URL I try and make some comments but I don't always have the time. In such a case that is why others are welcome to post and add their own comments which makes for interesting banter.

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:43:35 (permalink)
    I agree to an extent there should be more than just a link in a news post but snippets fall under fair use if it's meant to illustrate a point, so maybe if people quoted an interesting paragraph from an article with a comment about it it's fine as far as copyrights go. The idea is credit where credit is due, and posting more than a link is more likely to get people to click that link.

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:44:42 (permalink)
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    I disagree, as it is not link dumping (in most cases)...there is a story and content attached to the link...now whether or not the story is worth reading is another matter.  It is not comparable to posting only a picture.

    Here is my reasoning why it's link dumping. 99% of the time the person who posts it does not even interact in the thread. You have no discourse at all. That IS link dumping. It's bad forum etiquette and just plain lazy. Have the decency to at least post one sentence. This is a forum, not an RSS feed. On a forum you post conversation, not link spam.
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 13:58:34 (permalink)
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    I disagree, as it is not link dumping (in most cases)...there is a story and content attached to the link...now whether or not the story is worth reading is another matter.  It is not comparable to posting only a picture.

    Here is my reasoning why it's link dumping. 99% of the time the person who posts it does not even interact in the thread. You have no discourse at all. That IS link dumping. It's bad forum etiquette and just plain lazy. Have the decency to at least post one sentence. This is a forum, not an RSS feed. On a forum you post conversation, not link spam.

     
    I feel bad for saying it because RJ does it a lot but I have to agree :P Though sometimes the tech news subforum is so dead he's the only one to keep it going, lazy posts or not.

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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 14:01:30 (permalink)
    It's not hard to post a sentence or two. Can people not afford to spend 15 seconds writing something? If not, I think they shouldn't even be posting the link. I pose that they do have the time but don't bother. It's bad forum etiquette and a just a bad habit in general. I hope some of you will get out of the habit.
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 14:26:38 (permalink)

     
    Haters gonna hate.


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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 14:28:45 (permalink)
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    Haters gonna hate.

    It's not hard to take 5 seconds to write one sentence. See, even brcromer can do it. 
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 14:43:21 (permalink)
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    Though sometimes the tech news subforum is so dead he's the only one to keep it going, lazy posts or not.

     
    This pretty much says it all...  I've noticed over the last few years that this forum has become a very lively place for tech discussion, to a somewhat dead forum where everyone whines about what everyone else is doing... "Lets create a new rule"...  It's like folks here want to act like politicians telling everyone what to do, and "passing new rules".
     
    I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one over 18 on this forum anymore.  I would assume older folks have enough common sense gained from life experiences to know that new rules mean nothing.  This is the most moderated forum I have ever seen, or care to see...  Yet it's still not enough for some folks...  Soooooooo  Sad.
     
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    Re:EVGA needs rules for posting NEWS articles 2013/06/12 14:48:17 (permalink)
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    You all have fun regulating yourselves, and soon you will find you are by-yourselves!!!

    This forum has always been regulated by a long list of forum guidelines. A simple reply to your statement can be handled by "There are 190 members and 7512 guests." Seems pretty healthy to me. It's not like you're forced to be here. 
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