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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:12:51 (permalink)
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I gotta say, I'm really loving the look of that cooler. Does this do Quad SLI, I wonder?


No quad support, sorry.

Why does it have an SLI connector then?

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Never mind, Jacob answered the question
 
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:14:45 (permalink)
i was close 460 not 560 (shame it wasn't )nailed the single card 3D able .Good product if the price point is reasonable in comparison to other options.Guessing 379.99  (based of buying two 01G-P3-1367-TR 460 cards @ 179.99 each)

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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:18:20 (permalink)
Someone explain this to me... This card will out perform a 580 but will cost less! Why I ask? 


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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:20:46 (permalink)
cheaper PCB ?

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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:25:22 (permalink)
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Someone explain this to me... This card will out perform a 580 but will cost less! Why I ask? 

I bet EVGA got a killer deal on the 460 gpu they are putting on the card.
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:27:46 (permalink)
I think you are right about that! Once a new series comes out most people want the newest/latest.  I only use one monitor but even I'm tempted.


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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:35:46 (permalink)
i sure would like one

 
          
             
  


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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:38:54 (permalink)
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Unfortunately it was too late to remove it from the PCB before it went to production.

Hmm okay although It would interest me if the engineering samples could work in Quad SLI mode since they do have them SLI connectors, could you find this out?
 
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I just wonder what would happen if you'd palce a pair of them GTX 460 2WIN Engieering Samples iin Quad SLI, it should work, in theory that is, just try it out I'd say.
 


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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 18:43:13 (permalink)
If you look real close it appears there are two regular GTX460 heasinks under that hood, mounted one up and one down.

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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 19:07:51 (permalink)
hmmm, kind of a let down. I was hoping for GT560 or 570 chips and also 1.5- 2 gigs of ram per gpu.



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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 19:11:04 (permalink)
I was hoping 2048MB ram per GPU, it would of been more useful for the people with 3x 1920 x 1200p or greater, that being useful for anyone that wants to take advantage of 3 screens and 3D Vision if needed to be.
 
But yeah, I am passing on this one, got 2x EVGA GTX 580 SCE's here, although it is a shame that it does not support Quad SLI which would of made it a more interesting product and that it uses the older GF104 GPU's instead of the improved GF114's is also a a negative part to it.
 
Ah well this is a way to get rid of the older GF104 GPU's that remained in old stock, it's a way of putting them for good use, I guess
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 19:19:22 (permalink)
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 19:40:35 (permalink)
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Someone explain this to me... This card will out perform a 580 but will cost less! Why I ask? 

 
Another answer to this question is that it has to be cheaper (in my opinion).  The GTX 580 in SLI will beat this card.  Since this card does not support quad SLI (in other words does not support SLI with another card), it cannot compete at any higher performance level and must give an enthusiast a reason to limit himself to the performance of this once card versus buying two, three, or four GTX 580s when cost may not be a concern.
 
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i was close 460 not 560 (shame it wasn't )nailed the single card 3D able .Good product if the price point is reasonable in comparison to other options.Guessing 379.99  (based of buying two 01G-P3-1367-TR 460 cards @ 179.99 each)

 
I would guess that it will be priced over $400.  Dual-GPU ("SLI on a stick") cards have a history of not carrying the best price-to-performance ratio.  The costs of production of a dual-GPU card are greater; especially since this is a non-reference design card.  Also, this card does carry a little extra appeal over two standard 460s in SLI for those who don't have a SLI-capable motherboard or those who prefer the simplicity of only one card.  And of course there is the GPGPU market (Folding@Home primarily) who will be interested in the amount of power available for the number of slots it occupies since they aren't limited to requiring SLI support.
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 19:44:48 (permalink)
Nice looking card, great idea. Must admit that I am kind of disappointed as I was hoping for 2 x 560 and not 2 x 460.... I thought this gpu was eol in favor of the 560..... maybe it's me but it does not make sense to bring out a new product based on eol gpu....
 
Guess there's life in the GTX 460 yet......
 
Don't suppose there is talk of a 560 version then?
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 19:55:39 (permalink)
name is kinda lame. why not call it a 460GX2 ? would be more suitable.
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 21:33:26 (permalink)
No Quad support? That's the only reason why I was interested in this. Aw well...
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 22:55:19 (permalink)
Im wondering where the exhaust goes?The tiny vent on the end isnt even in the airflow and the front of the card isnt even open?


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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/10 23:39:58 (permalink)
I'm feeling pretty conflicted about this card.
 
On the one hand, I think it's really cool and would really want to pick one up.
 
On the other hand, I just cannot see what group of audience this card is made for.
 
First is the choice of 2x 460 instead of 2x 560 GPUs. Why cripple the card from the start, and not take full advantage of GF104/114? I understand that providing GTX 580 like performance for less money is great (assuming this thing is less than $500), but at the same time the GTX 580 is a single GPU and this is not. So inherently the GTX 580 will be preferred by many gamers. I can see this card as a "poor man's GTX 580", but so is GTX 460 SLI, which might end up being cheaper than this card. Without the ability to quad-SLI, I don't see what will set this card apart from a pair of regular GTX 460s.
 
Next, about the ports on the back. 3x DVI-D support screams multi-monitor/Nvidia 3D. Indeed many people who buy this card will probably use it for multi-monitor gaming. But the 2Win only comes with 1gb of memory/GPU, which has already been shown as a bottleneck at resolutions from 2560x1600 and up. Why limit the card at its intended function by not giving it enough RAM? So again, a pair of GTX 460 2gb cards will provide better performance, and probably cost the same or less.
 
So I really don't see where this card is supposed to fit on the market.
At $500, consumers have GTX 580, GTX 560 SLI, and 6950 XFire. All of these solutions provide more performance than the GTX 460 2Win, but are also more expensive. 
 
At $400~, the 2Win is really competing with GTX 460 SLI and 6870 XFire. But the problem with that is the SLI/Xfire solutions will probably provide better performance, and end up being cheaper. A pair of GTX 460s are around $320-$350 now, and a pair of 6870s are around $360. So again the 2Win cannot compete in either performance or price.
 
It's only at $350 or below I can see a point for the GTX 460 2Win, in terms of performance/dollar anyways. If EVGA had added another 2gb of RAM and made this a 4gb card, then I can potentially see this card being good for surround setups and finding a niche there. But at its current configuration and (assumed) price of $400~, I can only see people buying it for mass folding farms.
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 02:24:00 (permalink)
@ ebolamonkey3,
 
Very good data points as to the sensibility of the card. Adequate memory for supported resolutions, SLI support, latest technology, all things we expect from a new release, especially in an intelligent, competitive market. Here, a product fits squarely into a price/performance catagory. If it doesn't, it's purpose is scrutinized.
 
With this product, I think it's important for us to consider that EVGA was not intending to fill any gaps, or appeal to the "must have latest tech" crowd. The fact that they used end of life GPUs suggests they came upon an opportunity and put on their thinking caps. Despite the 5 series, the GTX 460 is a great gpu, capable of driving the console ports and most of the demanding titles quite nicely. Dual 460's simply make it interesting.
 
It's fair to have mixed feelings and criticisms; but take the card for what it is folks. Don't be surprised if under the hood we see a budget conscious design. I would expect it to overclock a bit and handle gpu temps well though. Regarding dumping heat inside the case, quit the ****in folks. Internal exausting designs are here to stay. Buy a bigger case with better airflow, or buy a console.
 
I give EVGA a thumbs up for taking on the project. It's putting capable GPUs to good use, and it shows initiative. Bring on the beefy phase, custom designed high end stuff now! I'd love to see a non-reference flagship from EVGA..
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 06:15:40 (permalink)
I had interest in this till they said no SLI, why was there an SLI connector on the PCB during production? Why not make use of the SLI connector?
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 07:54:01 (permalink)
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I had interest in this till they said no SLI, why was there an SLI connector on the PCB during production? Why not make use of the SLI connector?


Well atm GTX 460's only support SLI... As for the sli connector heard card was rushed out and it was already included. If for some reason it is not disabled via hardware. It would take drivers from nvidia or someone that knows alot about drivers/programming  to make a custom one with modded drivers from nvidia... Why are they not going to do it? Simple $$ why buy 2x GTX 480/470/570/580's When you could just buy a couple of these at a lower price. Same reason why nvidia didnt allow Tri-SLI on the GTX 460's you would not even need the higher end cards with three.
The card is aimed at people with the budget in mind, that may not have an sli board, or have a small form factor board.
 
 
Personally I would just buy a couple GTX 460's if you can do sli with deals going on you can get a couple GTX 460's new at 134-140 a pop if your patient and willing to wait. 
 
dbe425

Someone explain this to me... This card will out perform a 580 but will cost less! Why I ask? 


Its cheaper to produce than a GTX 580, The GTX 580 has 3 way and 4 way sli, in none sli games the GTX 580 is faster. Its really that simple...
 
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 08:01:50 (permalink)
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As for the sli connector heard card was rushed out and it was already included.

That doesn't explain why they would have a SLI finger on a PCB that was never going to use it... these arn't everyday PCB's are they? I assume they would have known from the start that there was no need to put a SLI connector on the PCB unless they were going to attempt it and later failed...
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 08:08:23 (permalink)
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As for the sli connector heard card was rushed out and it was already included.

That doesn't explain why they would have a SLI finger on a PCB that was never going to use it... these arn't everyday PCB's are they? I assume they would have known from the start that there was no need to put a SLI connector on the PCB unless they were going to attempt it and later failed...


That does explain it actually, it was left on and was not taken off... they may have had original ideas to offer sli, but then said oh the cash factor we wont sell as many high end cards we are not going to use it. Stop thinking so much into it... its just a video card... will make your life alot simpler=)

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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 08:15:02 (permalink)
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As for the sli connector heard card was rushed out and it was already included.

That doesn't explain why they would have a SLI finger on a PCB that was never going to use it... these arn't everyday PCB's are they? I assume they would have known from the start that there was no need to put a SLI connector on the PCB unless they were going to attempt it and later failed...

This card is intended to provide nVidia 3D Vision Surround with a single cost effective card. EVGA has achieved it's goal, well if they price it correctly. I don't think the idea of this card was to ever have it combined in SLi with another card. Defeats the whole purpose of making this card.
 
Then again, maybe nVidia said no go to EVGA on allowing it to SLi. Maybe this is the same pcb the 590 will use and it saved money to use it.
 
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 08:45:40 (permalink)
bumper crop of 460 PCB's bought cheap form Nvidia to clear stock my guess.EVGA had a idea and used it .Great budget 3d ready card IMO,just not something i would want or need at this time.Good job EVGA always thinking FORWARD .Keep the great ideas and innovation flowing

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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 08:47:40 (permalink)
it comes down to price....they know it ...so they are fishing....i personally believe this card has a niche....i hope it is a sign of things to come from EVGA...

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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 08:58:05 (permalink)
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As for the sli connector heard card was rushed out and it was already included.

That doesn't explain why they would have a SLI finger on a PCB that was never going to use it... these arn't everyday PCB's are they? I assume they would have known from the start that there was no need to put a SLI connector on the PCB unless they were going to attempt it and later failed...

 
The layout, hardware components, etc, need to be done way in advance of the software.
 
Maybe someday we can get Quad to work, just right now it is not supported.
 


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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 09:50:52 (permalink)
@ jacob
 
if i were you i would put a sli bridge in the accessories pic......and then watch these guys go nuts......pretty big deal being made over sli being on the pcb......knit picken for sure...

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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 10:39:18 (permalink)
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@ jacob

if i were you i would put a sli bridge in the accessories pic......and then watch these guys go nuts......pretty big deal being made over sli being on the pcb......knit picken for sure...

Yea right are you kidding me... I am not making a big deal about it as much as the people who buy this and see a SLI connector on it only to realize they can't actually use it... I think that is a huge let down and going to be a smack in the face...
 
It was obviously put on there for a reason... If they knew that this card would never use SLI then the PCB should never of had one from the start... It's going to look silly having this card for sale with an SLI connector and then hopefully big bold words saying... "THIS DOESN'T ACTUALLY SUPPORT SLI WITH ANOTHER CARD WE JUST DECIDED TO LEAVE "PUT ONE ON THE PCB""...
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Re:EVGA "Gemini" Dual GPU card - dual 560? 2011/03/11 10:45:57 (permalink)
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As for the sli connector heard card was rushed out and it was already included.

That doesn't explain why they would have a SLI finger on a PCB that was never going to use it... these arn't everyday PCB's are they? I assume they would have known from the start that there was no need to put a SLI connector on the PCB unless they were going to attempt it and later failed...


The layout, hardware components, etc, need to be done way in advance of the software.

Maybe someday we can get Quad to work, just right now it is not supported.


 
Don't really understand what you mean... so you got a PCB with a SLI connector on it in advance of knowing it wouldn't actually work...
 
And the hardware in advance to the software is only true to a point. Usually software is used to determine design the circuit, program the chips being used, etc...
 
And if what you said is your design plan, it was obviously in your plan to add the connector... so it should be no problem for you guys to "continue" to write the software to get this to work in quad.
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