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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/27 12:55:31
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Definitely keeping my eye out on the FTW+ and I really hope we can Step Up to it with a FTW. I have 43 days left on my Step Up time and it would be great to get the new one with all of the new features. I do agree the FTW+ should've been the original one.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/27 15:10:24
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I also would like to know.
It's sad that you are buying a powerful model and they release better/improved model after two months.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/27 15:32:10
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Would it really be worth it guys, I mean changing out video cards just to go from the FTW to the FTW+?
I ask because I really don't know, I just got my new FTW here a couple of weeks ago with the backplate and love it. I mean if I did that, I would really not gain anything in the performance department right?
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/27 16:03:24
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I almost pulled the trigger on a purchase today. Then I found this article while researching. I think I will wait a bit longer.
http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/78613-evga-launching-new-improved-geforce-gtx-970-ssc-card/
This was mentioned previously by another forum member, but it was never cited.
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hey there is a link in my original comment, it is just small. It copy pasted over by itself so I was just lazy with the whole link. thanks for adding it. d.burnette
Would it really be worth it guys, I mean changing out video cards just to go from the FTW to the FTW+?
I ask because I really don't know, I just got my new FTW here a couple of weeks ago with the backplate and love it. I mean if I did that, I would really not gain anything in the performance department right?
as the only cost would be that of shipping I would do it. this new card should have better overall cooling as the heatpipes are running inline with the card now not to mention the memory cooling. I would spend the extra $10-20 if that is all that it costs. the new ssc is the same price as the old sc model so I would expect the same for the ftw+
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/27 17:09:26
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Would it really be worth it guys, I mean changing out video cards just to go from the FTW to the FTW+?
I ask because I really don't know, I just got my new FTW here a couple of weeks ago with the backplate and love it. I mean if I did that, I would really not gain anything in the performance department right?
Completely worth it. 6+2 power phase vs 4+2, full length backplate that comes with it, a cooler that covers the memory chips and other components, and a 6+8 (75W+150W) pin power setup instead of 6+6 (75W+75W) for higher clocks and better stability while overclocked. It could even ship with the memory overclocked and be overclocked higher than the normal FTW because of the memory cooling. I wouldn't be super upset if they do not allow it but it would be a nice gesture and I always hear about how good EVGA support is. To answer your performance question you'd gain a bit from overclocking but overall the FTW+ is geared more for overclocking. If you do not care about it your standard FTW will do just fine. People ordered the FTW to get the better binned chips and overclock higher, but overclocking on the current FTW is limited quite a bit due to lack of power draw.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/27 17:17:16
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Ok thanks for the feedback guys, will keep my eye on the forums and if this becomes available as a step up from the FTW will probably take advantage of it.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/27 18:16:04
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I can stepup from a vanilla 970, but what is the point. 980 and 970 are just midrange cards indisguise... Anymore investment is a waste on these when gm200 is coming!
Can you post a link on this?
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/28 05:03:17
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I wonder if they improved coils in FTW+
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/28 05:17:22
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I wonder if they improved coils in FTW+
I really hope they do. I've been worried about buying this current arch of cards because I hear a lot about whining. But I have faith. I really want EVGA to be my first GPU card.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/28 11:16:29
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claytonma
I can stepup from a vanilla 970, but what is the point. 980 and 970 are just midrange cards indisguise... Anymore investment is a waste on these when gm200 is coming!
Can you post a link on this?
He's just talking about NVIDIA's current business model. Their first lineup of a new architecture is kind of stripped down, then their next revision of the architecture is better but also more pricey. They did this with Kepler, but it makes no difference as the price scales up anyways. The GTX 970 is a great deal and I highly doubt the next revision of the Maxwell architecture will match the price. I don't think the new Maxwell is due for another 9 months or so and they still haven't even released the GTX 960 yet.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/28 11:27:11
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Piospi
I also would like to know.
It's sad that you are buying a powerful model and they release better/improved model after two months.
780ti Classified. 780ti Classified K|ngp|n. Your point being? You can't step up to a Classified card. You can't step up from a Classified to a better Classified (K|ngp|n in this case). For everyone: The holidays are still going on a Manning is minimal. They may offer a step up from a FTW to the FTW+, but keep in mind.. How many other companies allowed to you to return your used equipment for the price you paid toward newer equipment? This is a nice thing for EVGA to do, and by no means are they required. Be happy EVGA allows any type of step up, but don't get upset if they don't allow it. If you had bought an ASUS, MSI, GIGABYTE, GALAX, XFX, bobs best, or any other brand, you would be trying to sell instead of ever considering a step up.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/28 17:22:46
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Piospi
I also would like to know.
It's sad that you are buying a powerful model and they release better/improved model after two months.
780ti Classified. 780ti Classified K|ngp|n. Your point being?
You can't step up to a Classified card. You can't step up from a Classified to a better Classified (K|ngp|n in this case).
For everyone:
The holidays are still going on a Manning is minimal. They may offer a step up from a FTW to the FTW+, but keep in mind.. How many other companies allowed to you to return your used equipment for the price you paid toward newer equipment? This is a nice thing for EVGA to do, and by no means are they required. Be happy EVGA allows any type of step up, but don't get upset if they don't allow it. If you had bought an ASUS, MSI, GIGABYTE, GALAX, XFX, bobs best, or any other brand, you would be trying to sell instead of ever considering a step up.
I agree, but at the same time they released the FTW that can't even reach it's max boost clock in 90% of games due to being limited by power draw. I'd understand if it were a GTX 960, but it's supposed to be one of their higher tier GPUs. It has the same power phases and PCI power connectors as their standard $330 GTX 970, it just has a better cooler. It's still a good GPU, but when other companies offered all of the extra bells and whistles for cheaper it hurts the argument. I feel like they should offer a step up for the FTW+ for a limited time and only if you have a FTW.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/28 18:15:18
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I agree, but at the same time they released the FTW that can't even reach it's max boost clock in 90% of games due to being limited by power draw. I'd understand if it were a GTX 960, but it's supposed to be one of their higher tier GPUs. It has the same power phases and PCI power connectors as their standard $330 GTX 970, it just has a better cooler. It's still a good GPU, but when other companies offered all of the extra bells and whistles for cheaper it hurts the argument. I feel like they should offer a step up for the FTW+ for a limited time and only if you have a FTW.
I haven't noticed my FTW not being able to maintain the stock boost clock. Just out of curiosity, what games has yours been doing this in?
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/29 08:24:14
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Wow, I just stepped up my 970 SSC to a 970 FTW (I had 0 days left, couldn't wait any longer), and now I see this FTW+...
Really, EVGA hasn't even put my FTW in the mail yet due to Holidays, and it's already outdated by the FTW+? Missed it by a week? Thanks EVGA.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/29 09:02:53
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Wow, I just stepped up my 970 SSC to a 970 FTW (I had 0 days left, couldn't wait any longer), and now I see this FTW+...
Really, EVGA hasn't even put my FTW in the mail yet due to Holidays, and it's already outdated by the FTW+? Missed it by a week? Thanks EVGA.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2014/12/29 10:00:59
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Wow, I just stepped up my 970 SSC to a 970 FTW (I had 0 days left, couldn't wait any longer), and now I see this FTW+...
Really, EVGA hasn't even put my FTW in the mail yet due to Holidays, and it's already outdated by the FTW+? Missed it by a week? Thanks EVGA.
Are you saying they did something wrong? Be glad you got a nearly free upgrade compared to taking a huge hit selling a used card to buy a brand new card. This is the game of electronics. You buy the best, so they release better. May as well get used to it, because it will continue to happen.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 03:42:25
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Hi, The program EVGA Step-Up say: - Graphics Cards Examples:
- GTX 460 → GTX 580: YES (Upgraded GPU)
- GTX 460 768MB → GTX 460 1GB: NO (Same GPU)
- GTX 570 → GTX 480: NO (Must be GPU upgrade)
If you purchased your GTX 970 FTW card does not have possibility of changing to a GTX 970 FTW+ since both are the same GPU.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 05:15:16
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We understand....This is a different situation. New customers will receive a new and improved version. I feel strange, because this version (backplate + improved cooling) should immediately leave factory.
I'm sorry but buying the MSI or ASUS I am sure that there will be a situation like here. One thing bothers me - if I'll want to buy a second GTX 970. My old FTW will fit with the new version for SLI? This is the second fact.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 06:08:22
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Xioiz
Hi,
The program EVGA Step-Up say:
- Graphics Cards Examples:
- GTX 460 → GTX 580: YES (Upgraded GPU)
- GTX 460 768MB → GTX 460 1GB: NO (Same GPU)
- GTX 570 → GTX 480: NO (Must be GPU upgrade)
If you purchased your GTX 970 FTW card does not have possibility of changing to a GTX 970 FTW+ since both are the same GPU.
The only way for sure is to check the step-up for yourself. EVGA has made exceptions in the past and may do so again with this revision of GTX 970's. As a matter of fact, I was able to step-up to the new SSC from the old one, right now I'm pending.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 06:39:54
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<------ sitting here hoping my 680's will die before the warranty is out so I can RMA them for one or two of the 970's you guys are all going to send back, hehe 
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 10:58:51
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My stepup from the now "old" SSCs to the now "old" FTWs has been processed and paid for, but I have not sent the cards in yet. I wonder if I should pump the brakes and see if the offer the FTW+ cards in the stepup, or try to make the move for the "new" SSC cards. Do you think the new SSC is better than the old FTW? ...and will the "new" SSC or FTW light up my effing EVGA Pro SLI bridge?!?!
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 12:29:10
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My stepup from the now "old" SSCs to the now "old" FTWs has been processed and paid for, but I have not sent the cards in yet. I wonder if I should pump the brakes and see if the offer the FTW+ cards in the stepup, or try to make the move for the "new" SSC cards. Do you think the new SSC is better than the old FTW?
...and will the "new" SSC or FTW light up my effing EVGA Pro SLI bridge?!?!
+1 Definitely would be nice to know. But my right hand is ready for another facepalm if its something that they STILL didn't address.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 14:08:18
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I pulled the trigger on the new GTX970 SSC yesterday. As long as no issues arise like coil whine, all should be fine and I won't regret my purchase. Why cry about a small clock increase when you can simply overclock yourself? 
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 14:42:50
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I pulled the trigger on the new GTX970 SSC yesterday. As long as no issues arise like coil whine, all should be fine and I won't regret my purchase. Why cry about a small clock increase when you can simply overclock yourself?
Are you saying the regular 970 FTW will overclock with the FTW+ no problem? Because I can assure you the FTW+ will clock way higher, even the SSC will over the FTW. They can draw a lot more power with a 6+8 pin setup. Also which is why they should offer a step up, because the SSC outdoing the FTW which is their top model is not what should be happening.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 14:52:37
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My stepup from the now "old" SSCs to the now "old" FTWs has been processed and paid for, but I have not sent the cards in yet. I wonder if I should pump the brakes and see if the offer the FTW+ cards in the stepup, or try to make the move for the "new" SSC cards. Do you think the new SSC is better than the old FTW?
...and will the "new" SSC or FTW light up my effing EVGA Pro SLI bridge?!?!
Just received the new SSC last Sunday. Despite this card's coil whine during moments of 1000+ fps (fixed with the limiter on Precision) and low ASIC of 64% (not like that matters though) I was able to clock this to 1500+ core easy enough and everything feels solid for the time being. If the changes they made to the new SSC interests you and you don't want to wait for the FTW+ considering both cards are suppose to be physically identical except for a back plate, then go for the new SSC. Otherwise I doubt many users here are complaining about the "old" FTW cards. Can't comment on the SLI bridge though.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 20:26:02
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I have a pair of GTX 970 SSC's as well. I was just about to pull the trigger on some FTW's until I noticed it would save me 60 dollars and i'd get a little bit slower of a card, but have more overclocking potential. I do feel bad for the few that got the short end of the stick... If I were still within my 30 day period of buying them, I'd probably take the restocking fee... Sometimes companies won't charge the fee as long as you buy something else from them.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 21:12:07
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Are you saying that you're complaining about having a FTW and not a FTW+? If you're really that upset about your 970FTW not being a FTW+, then just sell it at a loss and buy a new one when they are released. Just keep in mind, its the same GPU with small board changes. Ya, the new SSC and FTW+ will probably have better features, but thats the speed of tech. Heck, this new SSC and the FTW+ could be upgraded in a few months also and then I'm SOL. Just be happy that your GTX970 is as bad ass as it is and get fraggin. you don't seem to be really up to date maverick. - 2 more phases on the board - plate cooling the pcb in front - backplate included on the back - 3 DP outputs (keep in mind all new 144Hz G-sync monitors use only DP) - "very aggressive pricing" according to Jacob all that on the list you call "small board changes"? think twice! the new FTW+ buyers will get what we FTW buyers paid for but never got.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
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aronh17
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I pulled the trigger on the new GTX970 SSC yesterday. As long as no issues arise like coil whine, all should be fine and I won't regret my purchase. Why cry about a small clock increase when you can simply overclock yourself?
Are you saying the regular 970 FTW will overclock with the FTW+ no problem? Because I can assure you the FTW+ will clock way higher, even the SSC will over the FTW. They can draw a lot more power with a 6+8 pin setup. Also which is why they should offer a step up, because the SSC outdoing the FTW which is their top model is not what should be happening.
Are you saying that you're complaining about having a FTW and not a FTW+? If you're really that upset about your 970FTW not being a FTW+, then just sell it at a loss and buy a new one when they are released. Just keep in mind, its the same GPU with small board changes. Ya, the new SSC and FTW+ will probably have better features, but thats the speed of tech. Heck, this new SSC and the FTW+ could be upgraded in a few months also and then I'm SOL. Just be happy that your GTX970 is as bad ass as it is and get fraggin.
I'm not complaining whatsoever, all I did was state facts. I've already said I wouldn't be too disappointed but they should offer it. However other companies have not had to re-offer their GPUs because they came with the bells and whistles on day one, just to put into consideration.
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the_real_maverick
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/02 21:42:51
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sahafiec
the_real_maverick
Are you saying that you're complaining about having a FTW and not a FTW+? If you're really that upset about your 970FTW not being a FTW+, then just sell it at a loss and buy a new one when they are released. Just keep in mind, its the same GPU with small board changes. Ya, the new SSC and FTW+ will probably have better features, but thats the speed of tech. Heck, this new SSC and the FTW+ could be upgraded in a few months also and then I'm SOL. Just be happy that your GTX970 is as bad ass as it is and get fraggin.
you don't seem to be really up to date maverick.
- 2 more phases on the board
- plate cooling the pcb in front
- backplate included on the back
- 3 DP outputs (keep in mind all new 144Hz G-sync monitors use only DP)
- "very aggressive pricing" according to Jacob
all that on the list you call "small board changes"? think twice!
the new FTW+ buyers will get what we FTW buyers paid for but never got.
I know what the new specs are and ya, to some that's a big improvement. To me, someone who does no voltage OC, it doesn't make or break the card. The biggest thing to me would be the backplate as I like the looks of it and it helps the PCB from sagging. But, this iteration and change to cards isn't anything new though. I've been on these forums a long time and it seems to happen every other generation. A card gets a "+" or "Ti" or "SSC"... then owners of the older one get upset that they didn't get the new stuff. Prices usually fall overtime also, so nothing new here imo  I just hope the new SSC will play BF4 at 2560x1440 better than my 680 2gb did. 
post edited by the_real_maverick - 2015/01/02 21:57:23
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