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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/04 13:39:49 (permalink)
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I am not understanding how sometimes I can set the offset, monitoring tools report that its supposed to be running 2214, but it in fact is running stock speeds. I guess I need to better understand how the manual voltages ramp themselves up - Thermals are fine, idle is 32C and load is 38C in Furmark so far.
 


Its proberbly a powertarget limitation followed by aperf Cap , you Can check this via logfils of dedicatet Monitoring Software like afterburner or GPU z , These will show you the Performance Cap reason . Same happens when you Look at the Thread openers 3d Mark results of 5800 in ultra or Close to 25 K normal in Graphics Score Can be achieved with 1080 gtx @ 2025-50 on core and a slight memoryoverclock .

Btw , anyone tried to Flash a classified BIOS on a FTW to get benifits from its higher PT ?
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/04 13:42:15 (permalink)
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I am not understanding how sometimes I can set the offset, monitoring tools report that its supposed to be running 2214, but it in fact is running stock speeds. I guess I need to better understand how the manual voltages ramp themselves up - Thermals are fine, idle is 32C and load is 38C in Furmark so far.
 


Its proberbly a powertarget limitation followed by aperf Cap , you Can check this via logfils of dedicatet Monitoring Software like afterburner or GPU z , These will show you the Performance Cap reason . Same happens when you Look at the Thread openers 3d Mark results of 5800 in ultra or Close to 25 K normal in Graphics Score Can be achieved with 1080 gtx @ 2025-50 on core and a slight memoryoverclock .

Btw , anyone tried to Flash a classified BIOS on a FTW to get benifits from its higher PT ?



I had it running 2214MHz , now I just need to find the right curve and settings it wants, its just time consuming compared to PC clocking :)
 
As for the classy BIOS, it has different power delivery on the classy, I would be HIGHLY hesitant to flash the classy BIOS to the FTW given that fact..
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/04 13:44:15 (permalink)
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I am not understanding how sometimes I can set the offset, monitoring tools report that its supposed to be running 2214, but it in fact is running stock speeds. I guess I need to better understand how the manual voltages ramp themselves up - Thermals are fine, idle is 32C and load is 38C in Furmark so far.
 


Its proberbly a powertarget limitation followed by aperf Cap , you Can check this via logfils of dedicatet Monitoring Software like afterburner or GPU z , These will show you the Performance Cap reason . Same happens when you Look at the Thread openers 3d Mark results of 5800 in ultra or Close to 25 K normal in Graphics Score Can be achieved with 1080 gtx @ 2025-50 on core and a slight memoryoverclock .

Btw , anyone tried to Flash a classified BIOS on a FTW to get benifits from its higher PT ?


Why? Both have the 130% power limit with the slave bios?

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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/04 13:46:05 (permalink)
And I'm at 24k or under with 1080 sli overclocked at 2190mhz on normal firestrike? That's possable with a single 1080?

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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/04 14:10:39 (permalink)
FTW Starts @215W and reaches 279,5 with addional 30% PT
Classic Starts with 245 W and reaches 318,5 W after 30% increase , thats why .
Source :http: //de.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6386-KR
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/04 14:14:29 (permalink)
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And I'm at 24k or under with 1080 sli overclocked at 2190mhz on normal firestrike? That's possable with a single 1080?

Pure Graphics Score( iam Not talking about total Score here ) ? With 2 sli'd 1080s ?
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/04 16:43:33 (permalink)
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And I'm at 24k or under with 1080 sli overclocked at 2190mhz on normal firestrike? That's possable with a single 1080?

Pure Graphics Score( iam Not talking about total Score here ) ? With 2 sli'd 1080s ?


Oh ok.. yeah 1080 classifieds in sli.

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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/05 14:44:58 (permalink)
Had the same observation today running Firestrike with 2114 core 5500 mem @ 1.062 volt via global  offset results in 23300 firestrike graphics score
Using curve editor and adjust it to 2278 and 5500 @ 1.062V it gives me 22000 graphicscore O.o both Afterburner and and HWmonitor tell me this clock is stable running futher more Afterburner didnt notice any power or temperature perf caps in its log file ! locking this step via L all the time dosent fix the problem!
So apearently something is cheesy with this curve editor.
 
 
 
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/05 14:48:16 (permalink)
Maybe it isn't the curve editor but the architecture itself? :/ It would be great if nvidia would make a statement, but that is never gonna happen. Maybe that's why kingpin and co doesn't want to release their world record attempts because people would see there wouldn't be much difference from the normal overclocking results.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/05 17:06:53 (permalink)
Well i give up for now. One last observation i made was that my setting with best 3dmark graphicscore with 110Mhz offset on core -> 2126 Mhz in Game did not have any Perf cap at all other settings like 2278 set up with curve editor with lower final score showed perf cap reason V reliability --> can`T find exact documentation about this GPU Z function other than WiZard him selfe can`t tell exactly what it is.
I thought in theory this could also be overcurrent protection cause higher powerdraw but limited voltage @ 1.062V means higher needed current to satisfy power demand  etc. who knows .
So i used curve editor with a peak clock of 2215 reached @ 1.093V that was stable and GPU Z didn`t show perfcap reason V rel. --> anyway my graphicscore is still 1200 points short then with 2116 offset
Oh and + 210Mhz Offset to core and +100% voltage with should result in final clock  values like 2215 curve @1.093 crash instantly so curve dosent just and offset to specific powerstat point something is different there.
 
So maybe pascal realy just throtles/skips workload under some conditions or highly increases chache latencys, has a higher error tall with calculations .....
post edited by moppel82 - 2016/10/05 17:13:59
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/07 12:24:20 (permalink)
With the new 373.06 driver I could set my clock higher than with previous drivers. I'm finally hitting that 2.3 GHz wall on 1080 gpu's !
 
Power Target
  • 120%
Core Clock Curve
  • 2316 MHz (+300 MHz Offset @ 1.062 V)
  • 2240 MHz (+225 MHz Offset @ 1.050 V)
  • 2165 MHz (+150 MHz Offset @ 1.043 V)
  • 2115 MHz (+100 MHz Offset @ 1.031 V)
Memory Clock
  • 5556 MHz (+550 MHz Offset)
Graphics Score
  • Fire Strike: 24804 3dmark.com/3dm/15298713
  • Fire Strike Extreme: 11839 3dmark.com/3dm/15300553
  • Fire Strike Ultra: 5884 3dmark.com/3dm/15299394
  • Time Spy: 8228 3dmark.com/3dm/15299517
post edited by aznsteil - 2016/10/07 12:26:35
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/07 12:47:43 (permalink)
Looks like you hit the lotto big what that card. 
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/07 12:56:11 (permalink)
Nice clock , but does it translate in Performance for you ?
Iam still looking for a decent Monitoring Tool do Log boost 3.0 with higher Precision than 10Hz / 100ms , to be sure Pascal isn't very fast switching clocks with boost 3.0 .

Coming from 5years AMD its kinda Double edged sword , seeing this enormus clockability but get Low Access to the product and its possibilitys !
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/07 13:05:35 (permalink)
Nice! Can't wait to try the new drivers out in a couple of days.

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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/07 13:52:56 (permalink)
that is a very solid overclock. congrats on your gpu chip
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/07 14:08:43 (permalink)
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With the new 373.06 driver I could set my clock higher than with previous drivers. I'm finally hitting that 2.3 GHz wall on 1080 gpu's !
 
Power Target
  • 120%
Core Clock Curve
  • 2316 MHz (+300 MHz Offset @ 1.062 V)
  • 2240 MHz (+225 MHz Offset @ 1.050 V)
  • 2165 MHz (+150 MHz Offset @ 1.043 V)
  • 2115 MHz (+100 MHz Offset @ 1.031 V)
Memory Clock
  • 5556 MHz (+550 MHz Offset)
Graphics Score
  • Fire Strike: 24804 3dmark.com/3dm/15298713
  • Fire Strike Extreme: 11839 3dmark.com/3dm/15300553
  • Fire Strike Ultra: 5884 3dmark.com/3dm/15299394
  • Time Spy: 8228 3dmark.com/3dm/15299517


damn that is really good! My Card didn't like the new Drivers... might have to retune it again then.. 


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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/08 05:24:41 (permalink)
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Had the same observation today running Firestrike with 2114 core 5500 mem @ 1.062 volt via global  offset results in 23300 firestrike graphics score
Using curve editor and adjust it to 2278 and 5500 @ 1.062V it gives me 22000 graphicscore O.o both Afterburner and and HWmonitor tell me this clock is stable running futher more Afterburner didnt notice any power or temperature perf caps in its log file ! locking this step via L all the time dosent fix the problem!
So apearently something is cheesy with this curve editor.
 
 
 




I'm having similar performance issue using manual mode in precision compared to basic offset mode. 2100mhz using regular offset scores higher than 2200mhz using voltage curve.
Using linear mode seems to have expected performance compared to manual, but will need to play with the voltage percentage to get desired voltage range. I still need to test more to find stable settings.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/08 06:40:13 (permalink)
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Had the same observation today running Firestrike with 2114 core 5500 mem @ 1.062 volt via global  offset results in 23300 firestrike graphics score
Using curve editor and adjust it to 2278 and 5500 @ 1.062V it gives me 22000 graphicscore O.o both Afterburner and and HWmonitor tell me this clock is stable running futher more Afterburner didnt notice any power or temperature perf caps in its log file ! locking this step via L all the time dosent fix the problem!
So apearently something is cheesy with this curve editor.
 
 
 




I'm having similar performance issue using manual mode in precision compared to basic offset mode. 2100mhz using regular offset scores higher than 2200mhz using voltage curve.
Using linear mode seems to have expected performance compared to manual, but will need to play with the voltage percentage to get desired voltage range. I still need to test more to find stable settings.




Higher doesn't mean better. My old 980 Ti can clock to 1580MHz, but scores lower than when it is at 1555MHz. Probably the GPU having to make error corrections.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/08 06:49:03 (permalink)
 



Higher doesn't mean better. My old 980 Ti can clock to 1580MHz, but scores lower than when it is at 1555MHz. Probably the GPU having to make error corrections.





I'm not doubting that it's unstable at that speed, but even at known stable settings it always scores lower with manual curve control vs regular offset method.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/08 15:02:24 (permalink)
As I thought I'm not as lucky as you were OP, but my 1080 just came in from step up and I can get 2.2GHz/11GHz! 
 
1080 ACX 3.0 (single 8 pin power connector) - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15326286? 
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/08 15:20:02 (permalink)
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Higher doesn't mean better. My old 980 Ti can clock to 1580MHz, but scores lower than when it is at 1555MHz. Probably the GPU having to make error corrections.





I'm not doubting that it's unstable at that speed, but even at known stable settings it always scores lower with manual curve control vs regular offset method.




I'm scoring higher with my 1080 using the curve method and setting the highest clocks at my max voltage (which seems to be 1.062V). I am using MSI Afterburner 4.3 Beta 14. I was getting inconsistent results with PrecisionX and the standard offset method, and I couldn't set a manual curve as it's so dang hard to see what it is that I'm doing in that window - definitely something that EVGA should work on.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/09 05:53:06 (permalink)
@arestavo  There you go, pretty nice chip you have there!
 
Some of you might noticed, although arestavo and other users on reddit has a lower clockspeed, their graphics score were higher than mine @ 2316 MHz. I tried to find some bottlenecks in my system which could caused this lower graphics score on firestrike and realised my 1080 was running on pcie 2.0. After some research I force enable pcie 3.0 on my asus rampage iv extreme. Now there results are pretty more accurate:
 
Graphics Score
  • Fire Strike: 25194 3dmark.com/3dm/15316072
  • Fire Strike Extreme: 11913 3dmark.com/3dm/15316158
  • Fire Strike Ultra: 5903 3dmark.com/3dm/15316494
  • Time Spy: 8264 3dmark.com/3dm/15316770
With help of other users I could optimize my memory overclocking:
 
Additionally, thanks to /u/Shandlar and /u/Awilen, I could find the sweetpoint clock for my memory. I opened Heaven benchmark in window mode, set the clock higher until the FPS drops. +590 MHz were the highest I could reach, at +600 the FPS started to drop down.

 
Btw: How am I able to post links like you did?
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/09 07:24:52 (permalink)
Thanks! I lucked out getting one of the best chips out there. Was not expecting that at all!
 
Nice! Yeah, PCIE 3.0 can add 1 to 3% FPS for 3XXX series CPUs, as long as it is stable (my old 3930K would be a bit unstable when I enabled PCIE 3.0, so I kept it disabled until I swapped in a 4XXX CPU).
 
To post full hyperlinks I believe you need at least 11 posts total. It might be more.
 
Edit: I'm tweaking the memory a bit per the guide you posted, and I was able to eek out a bit more! (Not that I will run the memory that hot day to day!): http://www.3dmark.com/com...s/10408085/fs/10415136
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/09 20:10:10 (permalink)
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I'm scoring higher with my 1080 using the curve method and setting the highest clocks at my max voltage (which seems to be 1.062V). I am using MSI Afterburner 4.3 Beta 14. I was getting inconsistent results with PrecisionX and the standard offset method, and I couldn't set a manual curve as it's so dang hard to see what it is that I'm doing in that window - definitely something that EVGA should work on.




I'm Using afterburner now. Dragging any point in the editor results in a seemingly stable overclock, but has lower than expected performance. GPU-z list perfcap pwr, thrm, vrel, vop as reasons but it only gets to 40c. Switching to linear mode solves this and shows no perfcap, but I lose per voltage point control.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/09 20:21:26 (permalink)
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I'm scoring higher with my 1080 using the curve method and setting the highest clocks at my max voltage (which seems to be 1.062V). I am using MSI Afterburner 4.3 Beta 14. I was getting inconsistent results with PrecisionX and the standard offset method, and I couldn't set a manual curve as it's so dang hard to see what it is that I'm doing in that window - definitely something that EVGA should work on.




I'm Using afterburner now. Dragging any point in the editor results in a seemingly stable overclock, but has lower than expected performance. GPU-z list perfcap pwr, thrm, vrel, vop as reasons but it only gets to 40c. Switching to linear mode solves this and shows no perfcap, but I lose per voltage point control.




I don't know what to tell you - I can OC higher and get higher results using the curve method (Afterburner 4.3 beta 14) on my EVGA 1080 ACX 3.0 card using 373.06 drivers than I can using the old offset method. As a matter of fact, my card will crash at a much lower frequency using the old offset method.
 
I only adjust the 1.062V curve setting, are you doing the same?
 
Also, getting all those percap codes isn't a good thing I'd wager. Do you get the same codes at stock settings? If you do, you might need to RMA the card.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/09 20:37:38 (permalink)
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I don't know what to tell you - I can OC higher and get higher results using the curve method (Afterburner 4.3 beta 14) on my EVGA 1080 ACX 3.0 card using 373.06 drivers than I can using the old offset method. As a matter of fact, my card will crash at a much lower frequency using the old offset method.
 
I only adjust the 1.062V curve setting, are you doing the same?
 
Also, getting all those percap codes isn't a good thing I'd wager. Do you get the same codes at stock settings? If you do, you might need to RMA the card.




I'm not getting any problems with stock clocks. I can Get stable in offset mode up to 2113mhz at 1.062v With linear adjustment of the curve I'm currently at 2150mhz at 1.062 and testing higher. But If I adjust a single point on the curve any amount I get lower performance and perfcap reasons that don't make sense. And I just rma'd my previous card for the BS 100% issue, So far this GPU doesn't have that problem.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/10 06:34:36 (permalink)
The max I can run sli stable is using precision X oc and using the manual curve method. You can only adjust your current setting and I use 1.050v and select it at +175. Runs at 2190mhz and +495 mem = 11k. I can bench the ram at +600 and no core overclock and it's getting iffy as in screen flickering every so often so I must be close to maxing out one of the cards on the mem clock. As I tested ea before I air, the better card wanted to run near 12k. :/

Anyways I can bench at 2215mhz but at max voltage.So it's not worth it. 2240 wants to run but will lock up prob voltage limitied.

Still of yet to install the latest drivers but will today.

Also best my graphics score is in firestrike normal is 41,6xx. Don't climb much if at all at 2215.

I need to start using games for benching. Know a popular game bench?

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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/10 07:41:19 (permalink)
Far Cry Primal and Batman Arkam Knight are newer games with built in benchmarks.
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Re: EVGA 1080 FTW Overclock 2278 MHz @ 1.062 V Watercooled EKWB 2016/10/11 08:49:03 (permalink)
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I don't know what to tell you - I can OC higher and get higher results using the curve method (Afterburner 4.3 beta 14) on my EVGA 1080 ACX 3.0 card using 373.06 drivers than I can using the old offset method. As a matter of fact, my card will crash at a much lower frequency using the old offset method.
 
I only adjust the 1.062V curve setting, are you doing the same?
 
Also, getting all those percap codes isn't a good thing I'd wager. Do you get the same codes at stock settings? If you do, you might need to RMA the card.




I'm not getting any problems with stock clocks. I can Get stable in offset mode up to 2113mhz at 1.062v With linear adjustment of the curve I'm currently at 2150mhz at 1.062 and testing higher. But If I adjust a single point on the curve any amount I get lower performance and perfcap reasons that don't make sense. And I just rma'd my previous card for the BS 100% issue, So far this GPU doesn't have that problem.


Thats exactly the point same settings give lower points in curve then with offset with a Vrel perf cap!
Even locking the 1080 to 1 power and clock state via L ( to prohibit unwanted downclocking and voltage switching )dosent fix this phenomenon for me and quit few others . So there has to be a reason why it behaves so for a big group of users but runs good for others.
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