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1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine?

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2016/09/21 18:34:02 (permalink)
Hey again,
 
I just received a 1080 FTW as an RMA for my old 1080 that was crashing to black screen.
 
This new 1080 hasn't crashed yet, so that's a good sign - but I've noticed that it's downclocking itself for no apparent reason while gaming.  It starts @ 2025 (like my old 1080), but quickly drops below 2000, and then eventually down to 1987, 1962, then down to 1949 - I tested it in both BF4 and Deus Ex.   This is using Precision-X with no +clock or +mem, just 120% power target.  I have no idea why this is happening, as the temperatures aren't breaking 63C, and the temp target is @ 75c.  
 
My old 1080 that I RMA'd would stay @ 2025 constantly.. 
 
Now the other thing I noticed is that with both cards my power limit never goes over 100% - even though it's set to 120%.  I have a EVGA 750 P2.
 
Is this normal behavior?
 
 
 
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/21 18:40:14 (permalink)
    I have a 1070 FTW and mine starts to down clock at a very early temp. I believe it's at about 50-52C it starts to down clock and continues further down like yours is doing. I've also noticed it's never gone past 100% power target either. It is said to increase the temp limit and make it priority in the OC software and it will wait to down clock at a higher temp but I didn't really see it improve. It still DC at about the same temps. So because of this I run my fans on 100% when I game or I'll easily lose almost a 100Mhz drop in no time. Sad but I think this is how many of the new EVGA cards operate, it's part of the new design in Pascal.
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/21 18:51:51 (permalink)
    It's part of pascal. The cooler you can run it, the higher the clocks stay.

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/21 19:07:14 (permalink)
    So I'm curious now, my old card would never downclock my old card would downclock, but much less often and it would maintain higher clock speeds, but eventually it would crash.
    post edited by shm0wie - 2016/09/25 22:57:26
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/21 19:41:09 (permalink)
    Set the osd up so you can see the temp,power and voltage limit while testing.

    The 2 bad classified cards I had both down clocked as it always displayed voltage limit 1 under load. If one of those limits are met it will downclock.

    Ea card is different though.. try maxing out the power and tempt control and set the voltage slider on the left to 100%. That is just a setting to allow the card to use up to the max of 1.094v.

    I've seen my cards start off at low volts at a certain clock and actually raise the voltage in small increments over time while it heats up..( if that makes any sense) while holding the same clocks.

    Get aggressive on the fan profile as well.

    Even having a fan blowing in threw the PCIE slots (leave the empty slot covers off) blowing cold air in for the card helped by 5-7c.

    Looks ghetto but using that new evga pc case with the 2 120mm fans blowing in from the left side to the cards would most likely help cool these cards.

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/21 19:42:46 (permalink)
    Also the slave bios on those cards will give you +130% power and always on fan curve.

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/21 19:58:10 (permalink)
    The nature of GPU Boost 3.0 in flesh right there. Its a safety mechanism nVidia designed to minimize
    RMA's and refunds from mostly inexperienced over-clockers and users burning out their new GPU's.
    Same kind of idea behind non-root access on android, mostly a security feature to be more noob proof.

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/21 21:46:39 (permalink)
    Normal.
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/22 01:55:53 (permalink)
    Yeah this is normal behaviour. However you can manipulate the downclocking with raising the temperature target. 
    Pascal chips don't only check how hot they are running, they also check how far they are from the temperature target. 
     
    If you raise it, the card will clock higher. See this video of Jay2cents for a more detailed explanation. 

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/22 05:51:10 (permalink)
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    However you can manipulate the downclocking with raising the temperature target. 
    Pascal chips don't only check how hot they are running, they also check how far they are from the temperature target. 
     



    Do you know if thermal throttling can be completely avoided with the given offset range of the temperature target slider alone ?

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/22 09:08:41 (permalink)
    My Evga 1080 F|E does the same thing, above 50C it starts to downclock to 1974mhz then to 1962mhz as it hits 60C. Normal operation. The downclock gets even worse when you manually increase the voltage, so no point to even having the voltage increase option. K-boost is suppose to lock the clocks at said core clock and max voltage but so far this does not seem to stick. I still see downclocks with K-boost armed. I think they need to release an updated Bios for thermals, this would fix the downclock issue.
    Changing the temp ceiling from 92C to a higher value might help, but I prefer to have power target on focus.
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/22 09:13:10 (permalink)
    75MHz seems a bit excessive.  Mine drops about 13MHz (I know the steps are 12.5MHz, but you see 12 or 13 respectively) at 54°C, the same at around 62°C and then again around 70°C (though it almost never gets that high unless I try to get it to that).  That's 25 - 38MHz.  That's with the power target at 120%, so it only ever hits voltage limit.

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/22 10:56:34 (permalink)
    1949 is still above the advertised boost clock.
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/22 10:59:20 (permalink)
       
    post edited by Sajin - 2016/09/22 11:30:33
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/22 13:58:34 (permalink)
    The downclocking is normal behavior.
     
    Something to try...this is working on both my 1080 FTW and my Titan X Pascal.
     
    Set the temperature limit to 86.  This has stabilized my boost clocks.
     
    The FTW never gets above 65 C, and holds a steady 2100 MHz.  The only thing I did was use the 130% bios, and add a GPU offset and small memory offset (too little gains for more heat in my opinion).  If I set this to 85 C or less, the GPU frequency would bounce around more.
     
    The Titan stabilizes at 1950 MHz and hits a maximum temperature of 85 C with the power limit at 120% (which it has no problem hitting).  If I set the temperature limit to 85 C, the card still never goes above 85 C but the GPU frequency bounces around a lot.
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/22 14:07:46 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info all, I'll mess around with it until I get something I like working.
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/23 08:04:28 (permalink)
    Hunt for jay2cents how to overclock pascal on youtube. A great how to using precision X oc.

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/25 22:52:09 (permalink)
    AHowes
    Hunt for jay2cents how to overclock pascal on youtube. A great how to using precision X oc.



    I actually had to remove Precision X OC - it seems to cause major performance problems, I've noticed it in windows - i.e. running netflix on one monitor while working in the other, it is super choppy (this is with OSD off), and also in while running Unreal Editor 4 it destroys performance.  I'm using MSI afterburner instead, it works fine.
     
    After doing a bunch of testing this weekend I discovered this card has something wrong with it. The downclocking gpu speed is definitely dropping way quicker and more values than on my original 1080.  Also, there's stuttering.  I first noticed it when playing Dues Ex, this one scene where the game drops down to ~60fps, there was some major stuttering - this did not happen on my original 1080 (I tested both) - I only get rare frametime spikes with my original 1080 - but on the old 1080 this scene was causing stuttering.  I tested it further in other games, Unigine Heaven - where it was very evident, and also tried overclocking the GPU and RAM to fix it - to no avail.  Ultimately, one of the best ways I found to test it was to load up Rocket League and just watch the News text scroll across the bottom of the screen - it was having jitters and inconsistent acceleration speeds / stuttering.  I put my original 1080 back into my PC, and noticed right away that everything ran as smooth as butter.  Basically the frametime jumps around like crazy on the replacement card, where my original 1080 keeps a pretty consistent frametime.
     
    It's weird, because on paper they both score the same in Unigine Heaven benchmark.  But I could notice the stuttering while testing on the new card.
     
    The crazy thing is, I put my original 1080 back in, that new nvidia driver came out, and I was gaming all weekend just fine - until tonight, where I again crashed in Rocket League.  I was playing a bunch of BF4, VR and other games without crash - so it seems to be happening less now - but it's still the same known issue, where crashes to black screen that doesn't recover - cards spin up to 100%.
     
    Gonna have to talk to EVGA tomorrow.
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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2016/09/26 03:30:35 (permalink)
    Only time I experienced stuttering that was not from low frame rate was from having the hardware monitor open in the background on evga's precision x. If i closed the hardware monitor the polling from that would not spike the frame rate I was seeing every other second.

    Yeah if you card has that BS 100% fan issue get ahold of evga.. this is your second card from rma?

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    Re: 1080 FTW downclocking itself even though temperatures are fine? 2017/06/09 00:55:54 (permalink)
    Here's a direct example on how the temperature effects the clocks
    this is me below 
    h t t p : / / www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/scores-geeks3d-furmark.php?bid=2000
     
    OpenGL renderer   Benchmark_name    Resolution    Score    Submited by                   Date
    GeForce GTX 1080    FurMark (P2160)       3840x2160     7396      Anonymous (fan at 100)    Jun 9, 2017
    GeForce GTX 1080    FurMark (P2160)       3840x2160     7149      Anonymous                       Jun 9, 2017
     
    I think this sucks balls! I like the old way of overclocking better.
    BTW, is the a modified bios one could flash? or any other hack available?
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