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2023/01/30 05:50:29 (permalink)
I've got a z690 classy/13900K and G.Skill Flare S5 (6000 CL30-40-40-96 1.35V) with m.die.  I'm suffering from BSOD when I try to enable XMP.  I've tried bios versions 2.03 and 2.08 with the same results.  I've also tried setting XMP and then clocking down to 5600 and 5800 MHz with the same results (BSOD). Bios settings are default with the exception of trying to select XMP.
 
Is there anything else I can try to get some performance above the default JEDEC settings?  Realizing that DDR5 + 13th gen XMP is a whole different thing.  In the past I've always just selected XMP and been fine.
 
Thanks for the help.
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 07:11:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chupalt 2023/01/30 10:21:40
    might have to adjust CPU Voltage settings for the IMC & RAM
     
    many times (I do not have a z690) the auto setting even with XMP - does not set the correct OC voltage for the RAM
     
    Memory controller is inside the CPU .... IMC voltage & possible other settings need to be adjusted
     
    lastly - maybe you lost on the silicon lottery - CPU IMC just cant OC (XMP) - past Intel's stated memory clocks
     
    Intel site - Memory Types Up to DDR5 5600 MT/s
     
     
     
    Does the GSkill site list this RAM for that MB? Results of my search
     
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 07:17:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2023/01/30 07:19:55
    CPU VDDQ TX - 1.20v
    VDD2 - 1.33v
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 10:23:58 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    might have to adjust CPU Voltage settings for the IMC & RAM
     
    many times (I do not have a z690) the auto setting even with XMP - does not set the correct OC voltage for the RAM
     
    Memory controller is inside the CPU .... IMC voltage & possible other settings need to be adjusted
     
    lastly - maybe you lost on the silicon lottery - CPU IMC just cant OC (XMP) - past Intel's stated memory clocks
     
    Intel site -
     
     
     
    Does the GSkill site list this RAM for that MB?
     
    the tool to see what GSkill recommends =
     


    I appreciate the help.  The memory is listed as supported on the GSkill site.  The OC voltage is being set correctly for the RAM (1.35V).
     
    I wish I could hit 5600 MT/s, but not even that is stable.  I'm giving increasing IMC related voltages a go.
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 10:26:43 (permalink)
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    CPU VDDQ TX - 1.20v
    VDD2 - 1.33v




    Thanks for the help.  I tried setting those voltages along with my RAM's XMP settings (6000 CL30-40-40-96 1.35V) and I still got a BSOD within minutes of logging into Windows.

    Are there any other Bios settings I should be changing from the defaults in 2.08?
     
    Thanks!
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 10:32:20 (permalink)
    I didn't see you call it out. Are you running 2 DIMMs or 4?

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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 10:33:50 (permalink)
    Maybe RAM is defective, check with Memtest86 at stock 4800
    And memory is Flare X5 or Ripjaws S5?
    Because Flare X5 not working properly on Z690 Classified for sure
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 10:52:21 (permalink)
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    I didn't see you call it out. Are you running 2 DIMMs or 4?


     
    Sorry didn't mention that.  2 DIMMs.  They are placed in slots 2 and 4.



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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 11:03:15 (permalink)
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    Maybe RAM is defective, check with Memtest86 at stock 4800
    And memory is Flare X5 or Ripjaws S5?
    Because Flare X5 not working properly on Z690 Classified for sure


    Okay.  Going to run memtest86.  
     
    It's Ripjaws S5.  This one.

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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/30 18:18:48 (permalink)
    I ran memtest86 on the stock settings and it was fine.  
     
    If I set the XMP settings, memtest86 fails even at 4800 (clocking down from 6000 to 4800 - all fail).  It's either something with the XMP timings or the 1.35V XMP setting.  Running out of ideas.  I ordered a set of A die memory to try as well.
     
    Not sure if I should try loosening up the timings or decreasing the memory voltage. I've tried increasing the memory voltage to 1.4V and that was no good.  Seeing as how the XMP timings fail with 1.35V even at 4800 MHz, makes me think more voltage isn't going to fix the problem.
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/01/31 05:25:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chupalt 2023/02/01 05:08:11
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    I ran memtest86 on the stock settings and it was fine.  
     
    If I set the XMP settings, memtest86 fails even at 4800 (clocking down from 6000 to 4800 - all fail).  It's either something with the XMP timings or the 1.35V XMP setting.  Running out of ideas.  I ordered a set of A die memory to try as well.
     
    Not sure if I should try loosening up the timings or decreasing the memory voltage. I've tried increasing the memory voltage to 1.4V and that was no good.  Seeing as how the XMP timings fail with 1.35V even at 4800 MHz, makes me think more voltage isn't going to fix the problem.


    ok, do not use XMP then. manual OC
    CPU VDDQ TX - 1.20-1.25v
    VDD2 - 1.33v

    6400 VDD-1.43v/ VDDQ-1.38v
    32-39-39-51
    tRDD L/S - 8 
    tRFC2 - 384
    tRFCpb - 304
    tREFI - 52000
    tWRRD_SG - 60
    tWRRD_DG - 48
    tWRWR_SG - 24
    Rest is auto, board will do good subs
    This easy safe settings for Classified + M-die

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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/02/01 05:20:14 (permalink)
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    I ran memtest86 on the stock settings and it was fine.  
     
    If I set the XMP settings, memtest86 fails even at 4800 (clocking down from 6000 to 4800 - all fail).  It's either something with the XMP timings or the 1.35V XMP setting.  Running out of ideas.  I ordered a set of A die memory to try as well.
     
    Not sure if I should try loosening up the timings or decreasing the memory voltage. I've tried increasing the memory voltage to 1.4V and that was no good.  Seeing as how the XMP timings fail with 1.35V even at 4800 MHz, makes me think more voltage isn't going to fix the problem.


    ok, do not use XMP then. manual OC
    CPU VDDQ TX - 1.20-1.25v
    VDD2 - 1.33v

    6400 VDD-1.43v/ VDDQ-1.38v
    32-39-39-51
    tRDD L/S - 8 
    tRFC2 - 384
    tRFCpb - 304
    tREFI - 52000
    tWRRD_SG - 60
    tWRRD_DG - 48
    tWRWR_SG - 24
    Rest is auto, board will do good subs
    This easy safe settings for Classified + M-die



    I really appreciate the time to provide this information.  I tried these settings got errors in memtest86 within seconds.  I then tried the same timings and voltages at 6000 MHz and had the same result.  Not sure if my IMC is weak or if the memory I have is just incapable of high clock rates.  I have a set of A die coming tomorrow (6400 CL32-39-39-102 1.40V).  I'll probably give that a try next.
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/02/01 07:05:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2023/02/03 09:19:19
    bumping up vsa can help too

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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/02/03 09:10:35 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Cool GTX 2023/02/03 09:18:43
    Tried bumping up the vsa and no luck.  I put the A die (6400 CL32-39-39-102 1.40V) into the system and it runs stable with XMP and no other changes.  I think that other set of RAM was just bad.
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    Re: z690 classy + 13900K + G.Skill M die XMP instability 2023/02/03 09:18:34 (permalink)
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    Tried bumping up the vsa and no luck.  I put the A die (6400 CL32-39-39-102 1.40V) into the system and it runs stable with XMP and no other changes.  I think that other set of RAM was just bad.


     

    you figured out the RAM was the issue - Congrats

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