kevinc313Yeah it's annoying and it's lame that Amazon and Walmart aren't doing more. Part of it is the quality of bots in use, there are groups with crazy high end bot servers, then just normal scalpers with paid subscription bots, and normal computer savvy people running scripts. But there's heavy scalper action at the places that sell in person like Best Buy and Microcenter, and Newegg Shuffle is packed every day with fake accounts shifting the odds. Because of the above bot issue.
Derren001kevinc313Yeah it's annoying and it's lame that Amazon and Walmart aren't doing more. Part of it is the quality of bots in use, there are groups with crazy high end bot servers, then just normal scalpers with paid subscription bots, and normal computer savvy people running scripts. But there's heavy scalper action at the places that sell in person like Best Buy and Microcenter, and Newegg Shuffle is packed every day with fake accounts shifting the odds. Because of the above bot issue.Best Buy at least seems to be trying.
raymondftz@transdogmifier I specifically called out amazon and newegg because their marketplace/aftermarket sellers are using their platforms to scalp, specifically didn't call out all retailers because of this. Scalping is itself damaging to the system of capitalism by exaggerating scarcity and artificially inflating prices, something newegg is also guilty of taking advantage of by marking up the price on cards well above msrp on their absurd lottery system so even IF you are lucky enough to be among the chosen you're going to be paying newegg an extra 10-20%. 10-20% that EVGA is probably not seeing any of. the market as it stands in this situation gives the power not to the retailers but to the suppliers, EVGA, MSI, Nvidia, etc in this case. And while lawyers are jerks they are jerks that are very good at making arguments about things like "the contract has not been upheld as the consumers are unable to obtain the product due to insufficient safeguards by party 1 resulting in party 2 breaking the contract to ensure flow to consumers and protect the ongoing market viability, and image of same... yadda yadda yadda". So ya, contracts shmontracts. The situation is not the fault of any of these parties but two of the largest online retailers for computer components (and consoles, anyone try to get a ps5?), newegg and amazon, are not protecting their consumers and damaging the market by their inaction or sometimes half measures like shuffle. Another unmentioned aspect comes down to something far worse than internet whining and that's when politicians get involved. British parliament has already talked about introducing an act to curtail scalping () earlier this year because of this issue and there is absolutely nothing worse for capitalism than govt regulation. I'm not even going to say that pulling stock from newegg and amazon and selling direct is the right answer, it is at least an answer, but I am saying that something has to be done at this point beyond what has been done and more notably not done. You may notice that as of yesterday EVGA has even had to turn off the notify system for new people joining the queue because of how bad this has gotten just within the EVGA store microcosm. And it's fair to say that the majority of the consumers in this market are not coming here to join the queue in the first place and still the queue is so long that they had to make the decision to cut off the system from people joining it. In part because a portion of the stock has been released to newegg and amazon and an overwhelming majority of that stock has ended up in the hands of scalpers, not consumers. You are also 100% right that NOBODY should be buying from the scalpers. Starving the scalpers out is definitely the right way to put an end to them, my idea would starve them out by reducing demand by putting more product in consumer hands. It's an active solution rather than the patient and passive solution of leaving them to sit on their stock while waiting for them to go hungry. But there always seem to be people with more money than brains that will shockingly pay $2k for a $900 card.